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Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:34:00 -
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I have a mild issue and thought I up in hopes that CCP will view it on this forum.
ICE Belts in high sec and Scheduled Downtimes.
I live in the USA central time zone, at downtime most Americans are getting ready for or going to work.. ICE belts are
in very high demand in High Sec for obvious reasons.. You don't have to deal with pvp'ers looking to ruin your
day.. Its so safe in high sec that I witnessed a multi-boxer having a Freighter, orca and about 9 skiffs in his
complement.. Result - ICE Belt was depleted by 7am or 1-2 hours after downtime.. I leave for work in the am and
come home to no belts.. This Downtime gives Ice miners in other time zones a distinct advantage - or you might
even call it an intrinsic 'exploit' of the system.. Now if you give me a fair shot at these belts I'll guarantee
you my Orca and 2 Hulks will get their share!
I don't really have a suggestion how to level the sand in this box except maybe Random time spawns on belts and anomalies so
that all Eve players might have a shot at this lucrative niche..
Enjoy this game greatly = its $ and resource efficient economy is just as it is in the real world, but that
being the case resources are limited and scarce sometimes.. I don't believe the makers of EVE intend for
scheduled downtime to tilt the odds in favor of some players, shorting others in the process.
I just wanted to 'bubble up' this issue that I have experienced.. no doubt CCP has to have the maintenance but
how to do it without giving a geographic area or time zone an advantage or disadvantage?
As I mentioned above the only thing I can think of is to randomly repopulate belts, anomalies etc through out the 24 hour run period.
Given that scenario we ALL would all be searching for ICE when and where it spawned. Instead of finding empty anomalies
everyday or sitting waiting to horde it all because some of your competition is off to work in the real world..
Thoughts - thanks for reading = )
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
13266
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:45:00 -
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How about low sec?
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
6130
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:52:00 -
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Ummmm... don't ice belts now spawn in anomalies?
Which themselves spawn 4 hours after the previous one has been depleted?
Regardless of the time zone?
And can be warped to by anyone... even gankers... without the use of probes?
The problem isn't that you are in the wrong time zone OP. It's that other people are faster and more dedicated at harvesting a limited resource.
Also... the reason why ice is so expensive right now is because few people can harvest it. If more ice is made available for harvesting, prices will drop and you make less money.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:55:00 -
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I use low sec.. However it is much easier to mine larger quantities in High Sec. For instance you cannot wisely sit in low sec with a Freigher or even an Orca.. Its not really wise to even multibox in low sec as you will lose expensive ships over time.
The point I am raising is based on High Sec being relatively easy to mine large Ice quantities with large multi box fleets.
And then with regards to the imbalance caused due to a rigid structure of when the resources are refreshed and consequently exhausted.
This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
6130
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:03:00 -
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Zeur Maximus wrote:This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO.
What if... it is not supposed to be "easy pickings?"
What if it is designed to be fought over?
And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
elitatwo
Congregatio
304
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:04:00 -
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The horror of the daily downtime.. I hear ya!
Some newer folks find it rather annoying that all of EVE goes offline for twelve minutes every day. Think about all the market- mission- and mining-bots that need to be programmed to play the game for them.
What used to be more than an hours is now twelve minutes, sometimes 45 minutes, its terrible.
Ice mining is also terrible since it takes four hours for an ice-belt to spawn all over again after the last ice rock has been mined. But who has time to wait four hours?
Let's cut the crap and shove it down to two hours.
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Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:06:00 -
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ShahFluffers
I don't want more Ice, scarcity is good.
Not slow by any measure but cant sit here on Eve all day so I will check my facts more on the respawn times.
I can tell you that the particular anomaly I checked was repopped after downtime only - 3 days in a row..
Not whining as my operation is also large scale = )
Thanks for the reply mate |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:13:00 -
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I will say that putting all ice in low sec .. is a very good idea.
No its not supposed to be easy pickings lol.. but level across the board yes. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
280
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:46:00 -
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The only thing they need to do is get rid of the spawn at dt itself. The rare occasion that an ice anom isnt finished before dt and it spawns half finished or more is fine too. But get rid of it almost always being there full at dt just like officer hunting right after dt got nerfed too.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:56:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:[quote=Zeur Maximus]
And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.
Nope. If you despawn the ice belt 5 minutes before DT, it spawns right after DT.
Please do not change this CCP. The pre-DT ice rush makes for emergent gameplay, believe it or not.
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Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:03:00 -
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cool info Steppa Musana, I did not know this. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3821
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:25:00 -
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There's ice in high-sec?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.19 05:04:00 -
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no not a drop lol.. ; ) |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
13266
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Posted - 2014.09.19 05:06:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:There's ice in high-sec?
Blink and you miss it.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
362
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Posted - 2014.09.19 06:17:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:There's ice in high-sec?
Bull-****, it's in my freezer. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
709
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Posted - 2014.09.19 06:51:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Ummmm... don't ice belts now spawn in anomalies?
Which themselves spawn 4 hours after the previous one has been depleted?
Regardless of the time zone?
And can be warped to by anyone... even gankers... without the use of probes?
The problem which he has is that ice fields respawn immediately after DT if depleted before DT, which resets the 4 hour timer every day.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
19
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Posted - 2014.09.19 14:50:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Zeur Maximus wrote:This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO. What if... it is not supposed to be "easy pickings?" What if it is designed to be fought over? And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.
To be fought over is all good. To have them depleted while you are at work in real life is something entirely different.
EVE is a world wide game and this time zone issues is part of that. However the OP is correct when the game only spawns a certain resource once per day, assuming it only spawns once per day then the static nature of downtime gives some players an advantage. Perhaps it is time for CCP to explore having spawns on a more regular basis for the basic items like ore and ice belts.
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Spooky Monkey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.21 03:08:00 -
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Donnachadh wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Zeur Maximus wrote:This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO. What if... it is not supposed to be "easy pickings?" What if it is designed to be fought over? And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined. To be fought over is all good. To have them depleted while you are at work in real life is something entirely different. EVE is a world wide game and this time zone issues is part of that. However the OP is correct when the game only spawns a certain resource once per day, assuming it only spawns once per day then the static nature of downtime gives some players an advantage. Perhaps it is time for CCP to explore having spawns on a more regular basis for the basic items like ore and ice belts.
totally agree, but this has been an issue forever and CCP still never addresses it so I doubt they will. but we need more people speaking up about it to make them address it. even halving the amout that spawns to change it to spawning every 12 hours would be better. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1901
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Posted - 2014.09.21 03:21:00 -
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and for UK, downtime is in the middle of the day when everyone is actually at work...we miss both when its depleted before hand and when its respawned after.
and for AU and NZ its in the middle of the night when everyones asleep cause they are at work in the morning.
TL:DR
Work affects everyone's ice mining. fix it so ice is unlimited forever!
or make it spawn every 4 hours so all TZ's get a go...oh wait.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2698
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Posted - 2014.09.21 11:41:00 -
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You people.
The ice respawns 4h after being depleted. It just so happens that everyone else has managed to put their ice mining on a timer.
Want some ice? You'll have to compete with the others.
Oh look at that: Ice mining is a form of PvP.
OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this. |
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
487
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Posted - 2014.09.21 12:16:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:You people.
The ice respawns 4h after being depleted. It just so happens that everyone else has managed to put their ice mining on a timer.
Want some ice? You'll have to compete with the others.
Oh look at that: Ice mining is a form of PvP.
OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this.
Punchline is this was a player requested change. CCP shifted ice to out of empire as the whines were rampant in the days of near unlimited ice mining in empire. I saw it abused....hell I abused it. Ice fields that didn't die, if you did things right safe aft ice mining....lets just say I had many dual box nights with the 0.0 char bashing and the empire alt icing all night long at the same time.
Hell was up to triple box when I had the accounts....3rd was the hauler and fleet mate to get the miner's boosts working.
Well that I tend to blowoff oceanic/asia has it better threads. I am in that tz. for those of us who don't rush out to hit the fresh rocks and as mentioned in the past more ripe farming of faction/office spawns in 0.0....it tends to suck. Whatever fun you have planned has to plan in that server shutdown real soon. Makes pvp ops a pita. Does it end and back at home before? Do you just run with it and do the dt safe spot logging? And if so....say hello to the joys of glued to chair to hear comms. I have flown with a few FC's who when they said you got 5 minutes past DT before we roll and meant it. Come back in at 10 minutes....enjoy your solo trip to wherever. Hope its not a big ship and has a half decent chance on gates lol. |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 00:33:00 -
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Since starting this thread I have learned droves from it.. Forum is great.
Although I like the methodical and predictable repop after DT.. it is blatently canned - predicatble..
All you guys raising the competition (troll) flag .. lol.. knowing when resources are coming up isn't competition..
Anyway, I did get the answers I was looking for and I like the system just as it is..
Time to kick in the miners and get at it = ) |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 00:43:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:You people.
The ice respawns 4h after being depleted. It just so happens that everyone else has managed to put their ice mining on a timer.
Want some ice? You'll have to compete with the others.
Oh look at that: Ice mining is a form of PvP.
OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this.
Sorry man but I think you missed the point of the thread. It was a bout a hard-wired exploit.
Not about equipment or size of such equipment.. Nor was it even about someone not knowing where the ice was..
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Iain Cariaba
354
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Posted - 2014.09.22 02:18:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this.
This differentiates him from almost every other highsec carebear how? Highsec carebears are notorious for their crying to CCP Mommy over each and every threat to their isk/hr, whether that threat be real or imagined.
Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 02:23:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this. This differentiates him from almost every other highsec carebear how? Highsec carebears are notorious for their crying to CCP Mommy over each and every threat to their isk/hr, whether that threat be real or imagined.
Oh he's tough isn't he. Re-read my critique troll he wasn't friendly.
However, he missed my point - it was simply game mechanics - just like the other post YOu commented on.. |
Iain Cariaba
354
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:12:00 -
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Zeur Maximus wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this. This differentiates him from almost every other highsec carebear how? Highsec carebears are notorious for their crying to CCP Mommy over each and every threat to their isk/hr, whether that threat be real or imagined. Oh he's tough isn't he. Sighs, troll cough* The thread was a discussion on game mechanics only - just so we are on the same page.
No, this wasnt a post about game mechanics only. It was a whine to CCP that they are being unfair to you.
You apparently don't fully comprehend how the ice spawn mechanics works. Ice spawns at DT. Once that is mined out, it respawns 4 hours later. Once that is mined out, it respawns 4 hours later. And so on until DT. Judging by your original post, you apparently play during one of those 4 hour windows, and consider this unfair.
So, rather than take one of several steps to secure yourself some ice, because there isn't anything else you'd rather do in this game beyond stare at a giant ice cube spinning in space, you want CCP to change the mechanics of how ice spawns to suit you.
Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:55:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Zeur Maximus wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this. This differentiates him from almost every other highsec carebear how? Highsec carebears are notorious for their crying to CCP Mommy over each and every threat to their isk/hr, whether that threat be real or imagined. Oh he's tough isn't he. Sighs, troll cough* The thread was a discussion on game mechanics only - just so we are on the same page. No, this wasnt a post about game mechanics only. It was a whine to CCP that they are being unfair to you. You apparently don't fully comprehend how the ice spawn mechanics works. Ice spawns at DT. Once that is mined out, it respawns 4 hours later. Once that is mined out, it respawns 4 hours later. And so on until DT. Judging by your original post, you apparently play during one of those 4 hour windows, and consider this unfair. So, rather than take one of several steps to secure yourself some ice, because there isn't anything else you'd rather do in this game beyond stare at a giant ice cube spinning in space, you want CCP to change the mechanics of how ice spawns to suit you.
Totally wrong Lain, not my intent at all.. may sound good to support a rant but not correct.
Actually the Post was put up because I was trying to understand a few things about the mechanics which I thought at the time
were broken, turns out they weren't that bad.. That's what forums are for, as I was directed here by CCP help folks.
I was wrong in that I did not know the anomalies respawned every 4 hours all day long.. I thought it was a one shot deal. My have overlooked the fact because I work long hours and I lost my Eve Operators manual somewhere..
Because the repop is predictable it does give those present at downtime a slight advantage of knowing when an anomaly is present. However, its pretty fair - good enough IMO.
I've nothing more to add.. my question / concern was answered..
Sorry no drama - no whining - I dont give a crap about easy or I would be a long term Eve subscriber now would I ?
Thanks to those that helped me figure it out !!! |
LiBraga
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:54:00 -
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Searches for you via Locator agents... locates your nearest ice belts.... puts cloaky alts in them to prevent them respawning when depleted.
Hahahaha 1 Spawn every 24 hours and it's mined whilst you're at work.
Whilst this act would be victimization.... How many alliances do you think would do similar to raise the value of ice for those who mine it in 0.0
(Note they may have changed the anomaly mechanics so that this doesn't work anymore... I'm not sure... Ice isn't my thing)
If it moves.... You obviously didn't kill it the first time. |
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:54:00 -
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Interesting thought lol.. who knows ? |
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