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TiGGar Shadow
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:34:00 -
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recently im having constant dc i ask on ally and some people have same problem. Do more people have same problem ? do CCP try to fix it ? or it`s just me and some people.. ? |

Paranoid Loyd
1919
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:45:00 -
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It's not CCP, here is a brief explanation: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5022181#post5022181 "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:47:00 -
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Normally always ISP / Route related. Rarely CCPs side.
Test it on a VPN (Mullvad - free no signup trial) and see if you keep getting the disconnects. If you don't, you can let CCP know through the ticket system along with your route details. They can only do anything if it's their 'side' though, otherwise it's between your ISP and them. |

Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2014.09.19 21:13:00 -
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Have you tried the Grrr goons thread ? |

Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
971
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Posted - 2014.09.19 22:02:00 -
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Put a stick in it so it cant close. Come play Crink, over 65 billion in prizes paid out already!
Join the channel 'crink' in game or visit http://corelicorp.net to play. |

MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
randomly named no tax corp v2
13
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Posted - 2014.09.19 23:41:00 -
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rofflesausage wrote:Normally always ISP / Route related. Rarely CCPs side.
True. However, it has been CCP's side (or very close) lately - because many times when I log back on with my Jita trade alt, there's almost nobody in local.
Traceroute also shows the problem is the last hop before ccp's servers. |

Rain6637
Team Evil
19571
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Posted - 2014.09.20 01:40:00 -
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I'm having issues too. Lately it's been happening betw President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1551
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Posted - 2014.09.20 06:57:00 -
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MonkeyBusiness Thiesant wrote:
True. However, it has been CCP's side (or very close) lately - because many times when I log back on with my Jita trade alt, there's almost nobody in local.
Traceroute also shows the problem is the last hop before ccp's servers.
So basically you mean it's not been CCP's side. Since it's not actually the servers. Contact them and let them know which hub is having issues though and they will take action if they can. |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10102
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:02:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:Put a stick in it so it cant close. *coughcoughcough* Meta Portrait: umm, looks like youre 'busy', young love, sexual and sensual, soft&warm, OMG naked???, are you kissin or blo..., so much feels, most sexually suggestive pic I've seen. I make it feel real... Strapless Tops! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5036238#post5036238 |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5412
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:25:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Joshua Foiritain wrote:Put a stick in it so it cant close. *coughcoughcough*
I believe the correct vernacular is:
:giggity: GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10103
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:28:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Joshua Foiritain wrote:Put a stick in it so it cant close. *coughcoughcough* I believe the correct vernacular is: :giggity: Can't do that with a .... .... stick .... ... in my .......
Oh wait sure I can.
Wrong context, silly me.......... ;) Meta Portrait: umm, looks like youre 'busy', young love, sexual and sensual, soft&warm, OMG naked???, are you kissin or blo..., so much feels, most sexually suggestive pic I've seen. I make it feel real... Strapless Tops! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5036238#post5036238 |

Rain6637
Team Evil
19579
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:29:00 -
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Sa'Wiz
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:46:00 -
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I can't connect as well. I get a message "The connection to the server was closed" when the loader try to connect |

Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2014.09.20 08:19:00 -
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You know that? What even suggests that? Besides the sheep mentality on this forum in regards to this issue. Please do present the evidence which has allowed you to conclude this.
Here is what we know:
- There are many players having the exact same issue. - The issue started coming up for the majority of these players around the same time. - The players reporting the issue are in different parts of the world. - No one seems to be reporting issues staying connected to any other server. - When logging back in, large chunks of players have also lost connection.
Whether it is CCP's servers or not, it is certainly on CCP to figure this out. To look at the evidence at hand and conclude it's on the users or their ISPs to do so is idiotic. |

Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2391
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Posted - 2014.09.20 10:52:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:You know that? What even suggests that? Besides the sheep mentality on this forum in regards to this issue. Please do present the evidence which has allowed you to conclude this. Here is what we know: - There are many players having the exact same issue. - The issue started coming up for the majority of these players around the same time. - The players reporting the issue are in different parts of the world. - No one seems to be reporting issues staying connected to any other server. - When logging back in, large chunks of players have also lost connection. Whether it is CCP's servers or not, it is certainly on CCP to figure this out. To look at the evidence at hand and conclude it's on the users or their ISPs to do so is idiotic. I've had zero issues past weeks connecting to the CCP servers. Western Europe (Portugal) here btw
With that fact, the "many players" probably were routed thru a path that has been having issues for a few weeks back. Also considering the time gap this happens (from forum posts) It might be an issue with hops that get congested on the 11pm/1am UTC bracket?
Honestly something similar happened to me with Steam, where I could login but for some reason couldn't access the store. It happened to me and probably very few others since I searched the interwebs for this issue and there wasn't much to work around. Several visual tracerts with pingplotter later, I pinned down to one of their CDN servers from akamai (not steam itself tho). Later on, issues were solved. I now connect fine to steamstore, since Claranet, the hub before the content server somehow "shortened" the pathway from my pc to the content server that serves my region, going from more than 10 hops to just 4.
So yes, it might be an issue not on the EVE servers, but maybe CCP *can* help out by slapping the wrist on their providers.
Also, "closed socket" errors usually happen because there's too much latency. EVE might not be that much dependant on bandwith, but it is quite sensible to network latency. One of the hops starts to bog down the connections for some reason (traffic shaping *might* be one of the reasons btw), latency starts to go up. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Amyclas Amatin
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
349
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Posted - 2014.09.20 11:06:00 -
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Christian Lionbate wrote:Have you tried the Grrr goons thread ?
No need, I'm getting a lot more socket issues these days too.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
313
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Posted - 2014.09.20 11:08:00 -
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I seem to recall that the message used to give more information, IIRC it read something like this: Your account failed a heartbeat check and will be restarted
Which made it a little less likely that hundreds of threads would appear on the subject.
(Assuming the same sort of error) |

Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2391
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Posted - 2014.09.20 11:35:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:I seem to recall that the message used to give more information, IIRC it read something like this: Your account failed a heartbeat check and will be restarted
Which made it a little less likely that hundreds of threads would appear on the subject.
(Assuming the same sort of error) think that error is when your account actually manages to stay connected to the server, but it lost a "tick" for some reason ( low percentage of packet loss perhaps?) Usually socket closed errors is when the client and the server cannot keep synced anymore and the server throws a fit. Due to how the server is built and the connection is established, and since *all* the clicks and keys typed are transmitted and client receives echo back for each command, this means that there is a queue for commands that can only advance when the client receives confirmation. example, if you type 2 lines of text too fast on chat, the second line will only be transmitted if the client receives confirmation of the first. Usually takes less than a second, mainly because this mechanism is also used as a way to prevent chat lag.
Either way, and if I'm not mistaken, "missing heartbeat" is when your client send a command, server replies but your client doesn't, and you send another command to which the server replies but your client acknowledges it, while "Socket closed" is, I think, when client sends a string of commands but the server doesn't reply in a timely manner, or doesn't reply at all because, for some reason, it thinks you disco'ed, so it closes connection, server side. (bit akin to ping timeout errors from IRC days). Latency can cause the second, packet loss can cause the first, or so I think it's how it is.
Because if this, and to keep it "sane" game-wise, the server is probably operating with very tiny intervals so to keep everything in sync. This also means that the connection, again, needs to be extremely stable and low on latency.
And no, you can have a 512kb connection with much less latency than a 100mbit connection. It all depends on everything that lies between you and the destination (even cable quality). [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

ashley Eoner
348
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Posted - 2014.09.20 20:10:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:You know that? What even suggests that? Besides the sheep mentality on this forum in regards to this issue. Please do present the evidence which has allowed you to conclude this. Here is what we know: - There are many players having the exact same issue. - The issue started coming up for the majority of these players around the same time. - The players reporting the issue are in different parts of the world. - No one seems to be reporting issues staying connected to any other server. - When logging back in, large chunks of players have also lost connection. Whether it is CCP's servers or not, it is certainly on CCP to figure this out. To look at the evidence at hand and conclude it's on the users or their ISPs to do so is idiotic. I've had zero issues past weeks connecting to the CCP servers. Western Europe (Portugal) here btw With that fact, the "many players" probably were routed thru a path that has been having issues for a few weeks back. Also considering the time gap this happens (from forum posts) It might be an issue with hops that get congested on the 11pm/1am UTC bracket? Honestly something similar happened to me with Steam, where I could login but for some reason couldn't access the store. It happened to me and probably very few others since I searched the interwebs for this issue and there wasn't much to work around. Several visual tracerts with pingplotter later, I pinned down to one of their CDN servers from akamai (not steam itself tho). Later on, issues were solved. I now connect fine to steamstore, since Claranet, the hub before the content server somehow "shortened" the pathway from my pc to the content server that serves my region, going from more than 10 hops to just 4. So yes, it might be an issue not on the EVE servers, but maybe CCP *can* help out by slapping the wrist on their providers. Also, "closed socket" errors usually happen because there's too much latency. EVE might not be that much dependant on bandwith, but it is quite sensible to network latency. One of the hops starts to bog down the connections for some reason (traffic shaping *might* be one of the reasons btw), latency starts to go up. Well I run +10 clients and sometimes some of the clients survive while the rest socket reset. Sometimes all of them socket reset either at the same time or one after the other.
Tracerts while d/cing in game shows fantastic pings till the london area. The forums will also go down for me too for a bit.
Meanwhile WOT MWO warthunder Steam (PS2 l4d2 POE TF2) terra ffxiv SC SC2 Star citizen and more show clean pings before and during the mass d/ces in eve.
This is entirely out of the control of my isp or even my isp's isp. This is something that is occurring near the servers.
Clearly though some people are not being effected. Even some of my clients will go through mass d/ces with only a big lag spike to show for it. |

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
719
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Posted - 2014.09.20 20:21:00 -
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I wasn't affected by this at all, but is there a possibility of some free stuff getting handed out?
 They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |

Marsha Mallow
1535
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Posted - 2014.09.20 20:55:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:I wasn't affected by this at all, but is there a possibility of some free stuff getting handed out?  Please don't eyeroll like that! How are we going to get free stuff if we don't at least pretend to be outraged?
Stuff, CCP, hand it over 
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |

Paranoid Loyd
1939
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Posted - 2014.09.20 21:52:00 -
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Yes, I do.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3856
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Posted - 2014.09.20 22:17:00 -
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'Some of my clients close, but not all':
Socket closed messages happen when (for whatever reason) the client does not recieve a message it's expecting, in a timely fashion.
If, for example, you're sitting in a station, doing nothing at all, you have a better chance to not see the message, if there's a brief interruption between you and CCP. Your client just wasn't expecting anything at the time. If you tried opening the market, and, say, a link was saturated somewhere between CCP and you, then you're more likely to see it.
Make sense? Eve's very light on bandwidth, sending only what is needed. It means it's a little more likely to survive very short net issues. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
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Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
4
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Posted - 2014.09.21 02:01:00 -
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Dude you sock |

Arven Egdald
Promethean Laboratories
22
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Posted - 2014.09.21 02:06:00 -
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It's been happening a lot more to me recently to. It's always happened a little bit, despite never happening on any other online game. But the other day for instance I was disconnected 10 times while mining within 1 hour... Two of which occurred while trying to log back into the game from another Socket was Closed.
But I guess this is another case of it being the players fault and not CCP's right? |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5883
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Posted - 2014.09.21 02:33:00 -
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Arven Egdald wrote:It's been happening a lot more to me recently to. It's always happened a little bit, despite never happening on any other online game. But the other day for instance I was disconnected 10 times while mining within 1 hour... Two of which occurred while trying to log back into the game from another Socket was Closed.
But I guess this is another case of it being the players fault and not CCP's right? That's the spirit! Never let facts or technical details affect your judgement.  If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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ashley Eoner
348
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Posted - 2014.09.21 04:35:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:'Some of my clients close, but not all':
Socket closed messages happen when (for whatever reason) the client does not recieve a message it's expecting, in a timely fashion.
If, for example, you're sitting in a station, doing nothing at all, you have a better chance to not see the message, if there's a brief interruption between you and CCP. Your client just wasn't expecting anything at the time. If you tried opening the market, and, say, a link was saturated somewhere between CCP and you, then you're more likely to see it.
Make sense? Eve's very light on bandwidth, sending only what is needed. It means it's a little more likely to survive very short net issues. Yes I'm aware of all of that. I'll add to the info I provided that I was actively playing at the time so all clients but one were played actively. The one account that wasn't actively being played was a booster alt and it disconnected about in the middle of the D/C spread.
I'm experienced in networking and most things computer. I also have a background in electrical engineering :P |

Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2392
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Posted - 2014.09.21 08:56:00 -
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here's a better idea:
1) download pingplotter. Freeware version is more than enough for this.
2) set target to TQ server. I forgot which one is it. can someone tell me the IP for it?
3) set sampling trace to unlimited. think 10sec trace delay is enough so that you don't cause more harm to the TQ server?
4) press "trace".
5) go play EVE. next time you get socket closed error, check hop where excessive ping or some packet loss starts to show up. piece of advice, if you're behind a router, maybe you might get 100% packet loss permanently on that hop, but that's ok. it's your router blocking tracert only. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
130
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Posted - 2014.09.21 12:01:00 -
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i have this problem only with my laptop and now my desktop, every hour from what ever time it begins i will constantly get socket closed, my desktop will be fine.
If it was isp related then both of my computers should be doing it and it should be based on just playing 1 game, other mmos or even basic streaming should be getting disrupted, which it is only eve "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |

MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
randomly named no tax corp v2
14
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Posted - 2014.09.21 13:56:00 -
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Grimpak wrote: 2) set target to TQ server. I forgot which one is it. can someone tell me the IP for it?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=474087#post474087 "The most important IP address for the game itself is:
87.237.38.200, port 26000 TCP (this being TQ and the port the client uses to connect to and communicate with the server)"
They seem to have changed things now though, everything on ccp's servers are currently ignoring pings. |

Lady Areola Fappington
2247
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Posted - 2014.09.21 14:00:00 -
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I've posted this one a few times, but hey, never hurts to post it again!
As it's been explained to me a few times, the vast majority of socket closed errors come from an ISP assigning the EVE data stream a really low priority when moving through the network. It's called packetshaping, and pretty much all ISPs do it nowdays.
EVE is kind of touchy about getting packets on-time and in the right order, and when it doesn't, you get a socket error. It's also why you can get a socket error on one client, while the second client is OK. Client 1's data stream drops below the "magic number" for EVE tolerance and dies, while stream 2 is still just above the line and lives.
So, there you go. If your ping plot looks OK, and it's not a major outage, try pestering your ISP. It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
737
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:21:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I've posted this one a few times, but hey, never hurts to post it again!
As it's been explained to me a few times, the vast majority of socket closed errors come from an ISP assigning the EVE data stream a really low priority when moving through the network. It's called packetshaping, and pretty much all ISPs do it nowdays.
EVE is kind of touchy about getting packets on-time and in the right order, and when it doesn't, you get a socket error. It's also why you can get a socket error on one client, while the second client is OK. Client 1's data stream drops below the "magic number" for EVE tolerance and dies, while stream 2 is still just above the line and lives.
So, there you go. If your ping plot looks OK, and it's not a major outage, try pestering your ISP.
So much this, Lady Fap.
Minor quibble: It's called traffic shaping, and it is accomplished by packet sniffing. There isn't, to my knowledge, anything called packet shaping. Packets are all pretty much the same shape. :)
But yeah, someone should probably set this as a signature. Maybe everyone should. Still probably wouldn't put a dent in the butthurt though.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
737
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:22:00 -
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Oh, and I would be remiss if I failed to remind everyone that I'm selling Socket Openers in Jita. 1 Billion ISK. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3858
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:42:00 -
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Agondray wrote:i have this problem only with my laptop and now my desktop, every hour from what ever time it begins i will constantly get socket closed, my desktop will be fine.
If it was isp related then both of my computers should be doing it and it should be based on just playing 1 game, other mmos or even basic streaming should be getting disrupted, which it is only eve
The internet is a /little/ more complicated than most people realise.
When people say 'The problem is ISP related' they mean one of two things:
- It's literally your ISP being ****
- It's actually somewhere on the route between your ISP and CCP, which will be traversing a bunch of different networks
Unfortunately, you don't have a commercial agreement with any of the intermediate carriers, so getting an issue fixed can be tricky. Issues can stem from things like bad configuration, someone getting DDOSed (saturating a link, so your traffic can't get through it. Doesn't just happen if CCP is ddossed. these things can sprawl), bad hardware, and other fun issues to diagnose.
A common way to look at the route is with the command traceroute. It's not perfect, but it can give an idea (some places just block the traffic that people use for it) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4499
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Posted - 2014.09.21 20:22:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:Put a stick in it so it cant close.
Please, sent me money for a new beer and a new keyboard, I need both.  Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Friendly Corpse
Dead Terrorists
16
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Posted - 2014.09.21 20:36:00 -
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In fleet    Waiting for content    Blue Balled    Going Home    Disconnected : hostiles in local : cannot reconnect     
My mining barge got safe. Eventually.
Seriously, screw you guys i'm going ho....[socket closed]
*Previews Poast*
This webpage is not available
Less The webpage at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=374457&f=258 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. Error code: ERR_CONNECTION_ABORTED
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
253
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Posted - 2014.09.21 21:45:00 -
[37] - Quote
Well there may be a lot of different problems which may cause the same error. But I think no one can deny that the connection problems where suddenly a large portion of the EVE population gets disconnected are increasing.
It would be great if they communicate that they do something and what they are doing. Is it always the same problem or are this incidents unrelated? Will there be a solution soon that stabilizes the service or is there nothing you can do?
It's getting a bit frustrating with all the disconnects and all we hear from CCP is "oh, there seams to be a problem", "eh, the problem seams to be fixed". At the moment it just looks like your servers and cables are regularly on fire. It will probably stay that way if you don't tell us what's going on. the Code ALWAYS wins |

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.09.21 21:52:00 -
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Had my first "socket closed" of that season today during a jump, shortly after TQ was down / not available widely ... so, if this is lag related, this would also explain why I was not able to lock PvP targets before warp yesterday whereas in the very same situation this always worked before. Is there some monitor, tool showing me the connection quality of the client? Ping / tracert seems to be blocked by TQ. I'm my own NPC alt. |

Rain6637
Team Evil
19613
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
Glathull wrote:Oh, and I would be remiss if I failed to remind everyone that I'm selling Socket Openers in Jita. 1 Billion ISK. are any left-handed ones available President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2303

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Posted - 2014.09.22 07:32:00 -
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As there is already an explanatory Dev thread on the same topic, this one gets a lock. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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