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Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:01:00 - [31] The fact that almost all recommendations are the domi, an overpowered ship that abuses the two currently most broken means in the game (nos & ECM) which are also both - as far as I know - about to get nerfed says a lot about how good the Raven is. But then again we all already knew that. ---
Dixon Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Jin Entres The fact that almost all recommendations are the domi, an overpowered ship that abuses the two currently most broken means in the game (nos & ECM) which are also both - as far as I know - about to get nerfed says a lot about how good the Raven is. But then again we all already knew that. Ofcourse people are going to recommend a domi, it's the I-win ship. But the raven will still have buttloads of trouble against gankageddons and blasterthrons and even the recently decent Typhoon. - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other...
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:14:00 - [33] Meh, cap inected nos domi can do it without jammers. I've killed a t2 torp/ cruise raven like that. I wasnt even in nos range for the first minute or so of the fight. A gank megat or geddon shouldnt have too much trouble barring ew.
Stamm Amarr GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:19:00 - [34] I think my megapulse Apoc setup could do it. Will need to try it sometime, see what the outcome is. Then again I couldn't hold it down, and outside of optimal I'm not going to touch him. Generally I see ravens 100KM of the gate, and I don't see them alone.
Nex Angelus Caldari Hypherians	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:14:00 - [35] Can't belive it... 2 pages and noone came up with this: If you want to kill a raven, use a Scorpion. Setup (not tested, but something like this) Hi: 4 x Siegelaunchers, 2 x Heavy neuts Med's: Sensor booster, 2 x 20k scramblers 5 x Racial ECM's Low's Whatever you need to fit the rest + maybe a light armortank or something... And a full rack of drones... Alternative: Another Raven... (siegelaunchers and Neuts + ECM would propably do the trick...)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:26:00 - [36] Vagabond and hope he isn't using cruise, personally :) Scrapheap Challenge Forums
Nebuli Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Nex Angelus Can't belive it... 2 pages and noone came up with this: If you want to kill a raven, use a Scorpion. Setup (not tested, but something like this) Hi: 4 x Siegelaunchers, 2 x Heavy neuts Med's: Sensor booster, 2 x 20k scramblers 5 x Racial ECM's Low's Whatever you need to fit the rest + maybe a light armortank or something... And a full rack of drones... Alternative: Another Raven... (siegelaunchers and Neuts + ECM would propably do the trick...) The main reason I believe no one has come up with the scorp idea is because the Raven is likely going to tank your damage as long as he has cap booster charges, and call his mates to come gank you from 10 jumps away lol CEO - Art of War
Nex Angelus Caldari Hypherians	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Nebuli The main reason I believe no one has come up with the scorp idea is because the Raven is likely going to tank your damage as long as he has cap booster charges, and call his mates to come gank you from 10 jumps away lol Yea, well... That statement could apply for all ships and all setups. There's just no way you can gank a Raven with one ship, in such a short time that help in closeby systems won't have time to get there... Oh, and I would love to hear your suggestion for a setup... kthxbye! [disclaimer, incase Nebuli says doomsday device, well... thats another thing now insn't it]
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Jin Entres The fact that almost all recommendations are the domi, an overpowered ship that abuses the two currently most broken means in the game (nos & ECM) which are also both - as far as I know - about to get nerfed says a lot about how good the Raven is. But then again we all already knew that. Well, this made me laugh. I was already going to post "So if the Domi > Raven, then what do you suggest to beat a Domi?". Maybe someone could answer that first... But this nice little post twisting it around again to "OMG the Raven is overpowered, nerf it, nerf it, nerf it!" caught my eye. There have been hundreds (no exaggeration) of "Nerf the Raven" threads...so why no (or at least none that I can find) nerf the Domi threads? --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Jin Entres The fact that almost all recommendations are the domi, an overpowered ship that abuses the two currently most broken means in the game (nos & ECM) which are also both - as far as I know - about to get nerfed says a lot about how good the Raven is. But then again we all already knew that. Well, this made me laugh. I was already going to post "So if the Domi > Raven, then what do you suggest to beat a Domi?". Maybe someone could answer that first... But this nice little post twisting it around again to "OMG the Raven is overpowered, nerf it, nerf it, nerf it!" caught my eye. There have been hundreds (no exaggeration) of "Nerf the Raven" threads...so why no (or at least none that I can find) nerf the Domi threads? nerf ew and you nerf dommi at the same time its a win win situation
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:43:00 - [41] 7x Electron II with VOID ammo 5x Berserker I or Praetor I 3x DMG Mod II -> ~1k DPS unhardened Ravens are only a problem to me if ... 1. I start farer away than 30km and he is 100% tank fitted 2. He has ECM fitted. You cant kill something you cant see. But you can counter this by using ECM Drones. They are effectiv in most fights even you cant rely on them work every time. In first case you can warp away, because he has no scrambler. In the second case you will be toast iam sorry. If he dont have a crazy tank fitted, because he needs an injector or scrambler, then he wont be able to tank the dmg i send him. Without T2 guns, Ammo and high skills they are a problem i have to admit. _________________________ Iam back
Hydrogen Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:12:00 - [42] It has been already said: Amarr Recons anytime. Pilgrim or Curse kill a Raven not only once, but most of the time. Why? Holler me to loose a Raven if you like to :P Actually most Pilgrim/Curse pilots will show ya. AF Guide
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Nex Angelus Can't belive it... 2 pages and noone came up with this: If you want to kill a raven, use a Scorpion. Setup (not tested, but something like this) Hi: 4 x Siegelaunchers, 2 x Heavy neuts Med's: Sensor booster, 2 x 20k scramblers 5 x Racial ECM's Low's Whatever you need to fit the rest + maybe a light armortank or something... And a full rack of drones... Alternative: Another Raven... (siegelaunchers and Neuts + ECM would propably do the trick...) 1. cap, you run out of cap with neuts and jammers going quite fast 2. damage, a tanked raven will tank you as log as hif cap charges last, the siege launcher will have like 15 seconds ROF with good skills 3. your tank, you'll get killed by just the ravens drones ------------------------------ at least fit ECCM before you start crying how overpowered ECM is.
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Hydrogen It has been already said: Amarr Recons anytime. Pilgrim or Curse kill a Raven not only once, but most of the time. Why? Holler me to loose a Raven if you like to :P Actually most Pilgrim/Curse pilots will show ya. Curious how you kill a raven with a pilgrim solo?* *Assuming raven isnt nub / retarded or afk.
bldyannoyed Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:27:00 - [45] A SOLO Raven, i.e. one with its own tackle kit, cant use Rage torps, and loses at least 1 slot of its tank. With only a 5 slot tank and tech1 ammo they really arent that scary. Any close range bs should be capable of handling it, Blasterthron especially with neutron 2's. OFC if its just using 5 ECM you may have problems, but as stated, thats not gonna be an issue for much longer.
Viktor VonCarstein	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:16:00 - [46] I have found a geddon with mega pulse 2's and bs level 5 conflag ammo, cap booster with a passive tank 1 LAR 2 and 3 heat sink 2's to be quite effective in the past. Must use those drones, tech 2 heavies using kinetic damage seem to work well.
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:45:00 - [47] You kill it like you kill any Battleship that does not pack much in drones. THORAX ;] 3 Medium NOS 2 Blasters MWD, Webber, Scrammer MAR2, LAR2, 2xEANM2, MagStabII, RCU Orbit with MWD and those cruisemissiles will hit you for sheit. Suck him dry, let your hammerheads and blasters work his shield slowly as his tank fails (or his cap booster charges runs out) GLHF
Shi'ra Kull	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:45:00 - [48] Just dont kill them, force them to live with the shame of flying a Raven, everyone will think they are macro ratters.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:18:00 - [49] Edited by: Jin Entres on 07/08/2006 11:18:23 Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Jin Entres The fact that almost all recommendations are the domi, an overpowered ship that abuses the two currently most broken means in the game (nos & ECM) which are also both - as far as I know - about to get nerfed says a lot about how good the Raven is. But then again we all already knew that. Well, this made me laugh. I was already going to post "So if the Domi > Raven, then what do you suggest to beat a Domi?". Maybe someone could answer that first... But this nice little post twisting it around again to "OMG the Raven is overpowered, nerf it, nerf it, nerf it!" caught my eye. There have been hundreds (no exaggeration) of "Nerf the Raven" threads...so why no (or at least none that I can find) nerf the Domi threads? Dominix is imbalanced due to Nos and ECM, both of which have their fair share of nerf it threads. Raven's imbalance is more about the ship itself, not any cookiecutter setup. And saying that Raven is imbalanced makes the case no less so for the Domi. But this thread is about Raven, and I find recommending a soonÖ-to-be-nerfed ship commonly acknowledged as overpowered not contributing to the discussion much. ---
Hydrogen Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Hydrogen It has been already said: Amarr Recons anytime. Pilgrim or Curse kill a Raven not only once, but most of the time. Why? Holler me to loose a Raven if you like to :P Actually most Pilgrim/Curse pilots will show ya. Curious how you kill a raven with a pilgrim solo?* *Assuming raven isnt nub / retarded or afk. AF Guide
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:58:00 - [51] 7x neutrons II, 4x dmg mods, minimal tank... Start fight at 15km or less, else warp out. --------------------- WTS talisman omega
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 11:49:38 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Hydrogen It has been already said: Amarr Recons anytime. Pilgrim or Curse kill a Raven not only once, but most of the time. Why? Holler me to loose a Raven if you like to :P Actually most Pilgrim/Curse pilots will show ya. Curious how you kill a raven with a pilgrim solo?* Assuming raven isnt nub / retarded or afk. deleted* EvE forum killed some pages of this post and I am not willing to write them again ;) Basically: High: 2 nos (dim/TS/Amatarr/...), 1 med unstable neutralizer, cov ops cloak Mid: scrambler (domi scrambler is perfect, 7.5km is fine in most cases too), webber, 2-3 ecm (1-2 bz5- or similar caldari and 1 hypnos multi), 0-1 sensor damp. Low: insert a nice tank here (no need to tell all ppl how) Tactic: 1. approach cloaked 2. when too close you uncloak and target, make sure you hit the raven if it was aligned to kick it out of alignment. 3. ECM/damp/NOS/neut/web/scramble that birdie 4. orbit Raven at 1200-2500 m 5. get ya drones out and tell em to kill dat Raven 6. Raven laughs at pitiful damage 7. Raven pukes when he sees 0 cap 8. dead Raven That easy THen you realize raven had like 3 t2 extenders and javelins are doing some sick amount of damage to your little ship while you are also painted from drones and die in 15s what makes 3 volleys. --------------------- WTS talisman omega
Hydrogen Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:03:00 - [53] Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 12:04:58 Originally by: LUKEC THen you realize raven had like 3 t2 extenders and javelins are doing some sick amount of damage to your little ship while you are also painted from drones and die in 15s what makes 3 volleys. Sounds perfect. You are invited to a duel with your Raven. How much ya bet on your win with your extended javelin Raven ;) ? PS (added - edit): of course you are not a forum warrior and gladly prove your point, dont ya AF Guide
Verizana The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:12:00 - [54] Megathron and Dominix are your answer. Megathron with a blasterthron setup that is setup like this: 7 electrons mwd 1 scrambler 1 target painter 1 cap booster double repper and 3x armor hardener and damage control and cap relay. And ofc ogre t2's help much out. You will outdamage and outtank the raven when you learn the tactics with a blasterthron. With a dominix however you simply fit nos and tank. Drones do the **** :) simple. Outtanking and bleeding the raven to death. My experience.
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:13:00 - [55] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/08/2006 12:15:29 Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 11:49:38 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Hydrogen It has been already said: Amarr Recons anytime. Pilgrim or Curse kill a Raven not only once, but most of the time. Why? Holler me to loose a Raven if you like to :P Actually most Pilgrim/Curse pilots will show ya. Curious how you kill a raven with a pilgrim solo?* Assuming raven isnt nub / retarded or afk. deleted* EvE forum killed some pages of this post and I am not willing to write them again ;) Basically: High: 2 nos (dim/TS/Amatarr/...), 1 med unstable neutralizer, cov ops cloak Mid: scrambler (domi scrambler is perfect, 7.5km is fine in most cases too), webber, 2-3 ecm (1-2 bz5- or similar caldari and 1 hypnos multi), 0-1 sensor damp. Low: insert a nice tank here (no need to tell all ppl how) Tactic: 1. approach cloaked 2. when too close you uncloak and target, make sure you hit the raven if it was aligned to kick it out of alignment. 3. ECM/damp/NOS/neut/web/scramble that birdie 4. orbit Raven at 1200-2500 m 5. get ya drones out and tell em to kill dat Raven 6. Raven laughs at pitiful damage 7. Raven pukes when he sees 0 cap 8. dead Raven That easy If the raven gets even 2 or 3 volleys of Javelin on you you're toast. Simple as that. Your idea relies on a solid jam, doesn't happen. Even with no cap the ravens gonna burn your pilgrim before its drones finish it off. Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 12:04:58 Originally by: LUKEC THen you realize raven had like 3 t2 extenders and javelins are doing some sick amount of damage to your little ship while you are also painted from drones and die in 15s what makes 3 volleys. Sounds perfect. You are invited to a duel with your Raven. How much ya bet on your win with your extended javelin Raven ;) ? PS (added - edit): of course you are not a forum warrior and gladly prove your point, dont ya And you're asking for a 1v1 against a Raven setup solely for the purpose!? Damage control, ECCM fitted with a single amarr racial. As soon as your jam cycle fails you're boned. The only slight problem would be the damps. Best start npc'ing now if you're really gonna take him up on it.
Hydrogen Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:17:00 - [56] Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 12:18:30 You assume too much Mr welsh ;) None stops you to bring a Raven yourself and proove your point. Just make a decent offer for the fight. PS: Adding huge chunks of content after you posted is not nice either. AF Guide
Arngorf Minmatar devastation mining inc Hell Hounds	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:18:00 - [57] I tested a AC Tempest against one of my mates skilled at flying ravens High 6x650mm's 2xheavy dim nos's med: mostly fubar since Im fittet to take out frigs and cruisers (web,scrambler,dual sensor booster and cap recharger II low: large and med armor rep and 2 exp, 1 kin and 1 thermal hardener This setup made an even fight where we both ran out of cap at the same time.. ________________________________________________ FORMER!!! I said FORMER Pirate...
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 12:18:30 You assume too much Mr welsh ;) None stops you to bring a Raven yourself and proove your point. Just make a decent offer for the fight. PS: Adding huge chunks of content after you posted is not nice either. We tested it yesterday, was a white wash.
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 12:04:58 Originally by: LUKEC THen you realize raven had like 3 t2 extenders and javelins are doing some sick amount of damage to your little ship while you are also painted from drones and die in 15s what makes 3 volleys. Sounds perfect. You are invited to a duel with your Raven. How much ya bet on your win with your extended javelin Raven ;) ? PS (added - edit): of course you are not a forum warrior and gladly prove your point, dont ya Ravens have fofs and drones too. Once you lose your 5 drones you are boned. With your approach any ship that can fit 3 jammer and a bit of nos will always kill a raven. Why doesn't that happen???
Hydrogen Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:17:00 - [60] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 07/08/2006 12:18:30 You assume too much Mr welsh ;) None stops you to bring a Raven yourself and proove your point. Just make a decent offer for the fight. PS: Adding huge chunks of content after you posted is not nice either. We tested it yesterday, was a white wash. ok none stops you from having a white wash again. Just for you my offer: 1. I bring a Pilgrim in any setup I choose 2. You bring a Raven in any setup you choose 3. We pay our isk to someone neutral - a referee. 4. we meet in a system alone for the fight with maybe only the referee present 5. Both only use what they got aboard. 6. A loss as potential outcome is obvious (be it surrender or destruction of a ship/pod). Draw happens if one flees to safety (or both agree on a draw). Win is obvious too like a loss. I bet 50 mill isk at a 1:4 ratio. 1 point for that helpless small Pilgrim, 4 for that great powerful welsh wizard Raven. Meaning: If you have your white wash I owe ya 50 mill isk. You owe me 200 mill if ya dun have a "white wash" . Forum warrior or not? AF Guide

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