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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.08 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 01/06/2004 21:04:44
www.BIG-EVE.com
Have you ever tried to find enough partners to fund a battleship BP - and failed?
Have you ever thought: "I'm not sure I trust these guys with the original BP - I'll keep my millions"?
Have you ever wondered if there wasnt an easier way?
Now there is
No longer do you need to spend endless hours trying to find enough partners to buy that 'next great' Battleship BP.
Your partner is BIG - no matter which Battleship BP you are looking for shared ownership of.
You have to trust only BIG with your millions - Which many, many hundreds (literally!) of EVEians have already done (BIG Lottery, BIG Championship betting).
What we offer is the following.
You can buy one or more
'1/10th share' of
*ANY*
Battleship Blueprint
No need to wait for partners
BIG is your partner!
Each '1/10th share' of a BP you buy, means you'll get one 1 run BPc each week (ME levels will vary - goal is at least ME5).
You are welcome to buy as many shares as you want, thus increasing the amount of BP's you get per week.
You are welcome to buy shares of different Battleship BP's, all your shares don't need to be tied up in one Battleship BP only.
If only one share is ever sold of, say an Armageddon BP (a mere 66.25M ISK), then BIG will *still* 'pay out' 1 BPc per week to whoever bought that share.
One other advantage, which makes this so very different from other shared BP buys, is that you at *any time* can buy *more* shares!
You are not 'locked' by a rigid agreement with other partners, where the shares are locked.
The real beauty is - If, over time, you buy up all 10 shares of one BP - BIG hands over the original BP to you!
As an example: If it will take you, say 2 months to get enough ISK together, to get your 'dream Battleship BP', why not pay some now, and get access to copies immediately!, and then slowly keep buying more shares, until you finally own it.
It will cost you the same amount of ISK, but you will get the first copies (to either sell or build from) earlier!
If you want your Battleship BP because you want to make money selling copies - consider this:
Each week you will get a BPc that you can sell.
If you just had the money sitting in your wallet, until you could afford to buy the Blueprint Original by yourself, how much money would that make you?
Worth considering!
The price of the individual shares, naturally depends on the BP you are intersted in - as listed below
Cost of '1/10 shares' - Battleship name
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112,50M ISK - Apocalypse (Amarr)
108.75M ISK - Raven (Caldari)
105.00M ISK - Megathron (Gallente)
103.75M ISK - Tempest (Minmatar)
175.00M ISK - Typhoon (Minmatar)
171.25M ISK - Scorpion (Caldari)
166.25M ISK - Armageddon (Amarr)
162.50M ISK - Dominix (Gallente)
Interested parties should mail TornSoul either via ingame mail or (preferred) to [email protected].
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vyperpit
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Posted - 2003.10.08 21:16:00 -
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Gl to you on this TORN.
this sounds great idea wish you the utmost fortune in it as well as your investers.
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Fair Fighting 
Quote stolen from Waagaa Ktlehr who borrowed it from ???
"If you end up in a fair fight, you planned it wrong." (Ehm yeah, or CCP ****ed with the scanner again..) |
Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.10.08 21:44:00 -
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Sounds really nice, too bad I'm not in the mood to "waste" ~70 of my preeecioussss millions right now 
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Nemiyen
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Posted - 2003.10.08 22:02:00 -
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Damn this sounds like the sweetest idea I've seen in a long time  .
Do you have to be a BIG member to be able to join in on this blueprint scheme?
Just wondering, I'm interested 
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Renbo
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Posted - 2003.10.08 22:35:00 -
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Nemiyen, Anybody can join this deal, for any number of shares, any battleship, and at any time...
Its really up to you!
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.08 22:44:00 -
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The idea sounds cool. Let me ask you a question: 10 people buys shares, which means you will have to make 10 copies a week. Can you do that? Make 10 copies of every BS you have? Just curious.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.10.08 22:52:00 -
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I THINK 1-run battleship copies should take 15/16 hours, not sure... In that case, 10/week is possible from each original. At least in theory.
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Beneb
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Posted - 2003.10.08 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Beneb on 08/10/2003 22:54:33
It takes about 15 hours to make a 1 run copy with the right skills of course :)
Beat me by a minute Jarjar :-p
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.10.08 23:31:00 -
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Torn I sent you a second eve mail just look for me online and we will finish deal. Rebootus Interuptus
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Alan Bell
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Posted - 2003.10.08 23:33:00 -
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if 10 ppl buy 1, they can buy anohter original BP
http://coldfusion.online-guild.com |
TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.09 07:41:00 -
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@Maud Dib
Don't worry, I'll reply to my mails once I get back on.
And don't stress, theres room for everyone
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Ameloki
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:04:00 -
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Can you sell the 1/10 shares back to BIG?
If not, 15% return is not true, as you don't have your original invested money any more.
It means you need at least 6 weeks to break even, that's ages.
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Sushanta Mog
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Posted - 2003.10.09 09:34:00 -
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 Quote:
Can you sell the 1/10 shares back to BIG?
If not, 15% return is not true, as you don't have your original invested money any more.
It means you need at least 6 weeks to break even, that's ages.
Its a sweet deal if you're in it for the ships. If you're in it for the money its a bit more work, but its still a sweet entry to a BS market.
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When you have exhausted all possibilities,
remember this - you haven't.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.09 10:34:00 -
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Arma sells now from 5-8m for 1 single run. That means breaking even could last a bit longer then 6 weeks.
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.09 12:09:00 -
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Quote:
Arma sells now from 5-8m for 1 single run. That means breaking even could last a bit longer then 6 weeks.
Look at it like this..
Your Corp has 200 million isk in the bank. It is going to take you quite a while to get ~400 mill into the bank to get an original..
You could spend 5-8 mill getting one one run BPc for your corp.. say 10 copies = ~ 60 mill. but that is it. You then go out and get killed by pirates or lose one due to NPC for some reason.. down to 8 BS now.. so u have to go back and buy another 2 copies.. this goes on and u are throwing money away that could be saved up to get an original.
Doing it BIG's way you get a guaranteed supply of BS for as many weeks as u want... when u have enough for your corp u can sell the BPc to make more isk to either buy more shares or get your own original!!
Look to the future, Look at it as an investment for your future
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:18:00 -
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I don't mean to put you down. The idea is great, in the long run But consider the fact that releasing to many copies on the market will affect the prices.
I wish you luck in your quest
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.10.09 13:19:00 -
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It's a great idea and one of the few i have seen that seemed like a win-win for both sides. Good job BIG.
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Ameloki
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:18:00 -
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Quote:
Look at it like this..
Your Corp has 200 million isk in the bank. It is going to take you quite a while to get ~400 mill into the bank to get an original..
You could spend 5-8 mill getting one one run BPc for your corp.. say 10 copies = ~ 60 mill. but that is it. You then go out and get killed by pirates or lose one due to NPC for some reason.. down to 8 BS now.. so u have to go back and buy another 2 copies.. this goes on and u are throwing money away that could be saved up to get an original.
Look at it from a financial point of view, trickling in at one 1-run bpc per week is just too slow.. 6-8-10 weeks from now, you have just your money back, so then you haven't even made a single isk, and then money is worth less due to inflation.
I must admit the idea is fresh and good, but not good enough for me, I can make more money with my 60 mil in 10 weeks..
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:22:00 -
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so you could have 10 BS in your hanger in ten weeks from your 60 mill plus whatever money you have earned in those ten weeks also?
If u can please please tell me how..
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Jack Ryan
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Ryan on 09/10/2003 14:55:09
regarding what my corp member Ameloki was talking about, she was out of line.. we didn't mean to make bad advertisement.. sorry
best of luck on the deal!
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:50:00 -
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@Ameloki
This is for ppl with ambitions of owning a BS BP, alone *or* together with others.
People of course have various reasons for wanting to own such a BP (pride of ownership, independence of fluctuating market prices, to, over time, make money selling BPc's - etc etc)
If you are one of those - *then* this is for you - else not.
Buying a BS BP (or any other ship BP for that matter) IS a long term 'investment' (or whatever you want to call it).
You just dont make the money back you spend on the BP, wether you own the full BP or a share of it, in a few weeks. It's just not possible.
Of course, 'making back your money', is not always the primary goal of owning a BS BP.
Having 'access' to the print gives you other 'advantages', that cant be measured in money.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:57:00 -
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Think nothing of it - No offense taken what so ever.
From her PoV, she raised some valid points.
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LordXL
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:42:00 -
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hmm
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NeXuss
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Posted - 2003.10.09 20:48:00 -
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Just like to also congratulate you on these new & original idea for the EVE economy. Hope you have lots of success with it and some of the smaller corps out there see the potential benefit to themselves.
They can us ethe investment to sell on the BPC and gradually recoup their money or use the Copy to build BS's for their own corp.
As saving up enough money for 1BS a week is about right for some small-mid sized corp its a great investment.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.10 08:04:00 -
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Thank you very much NeXuss
And spot on - we hope this will make it possible for a lot of small/med size corps to enter the BS BP 'market' a lot sooner than they else (if at all) would have been able to.
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Misato Warwick
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Posted - 2003.10.10 09:25:00 -
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once again a great idea from BIG !
*thumbsup*
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.10 16:50:00 -
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Shameless bump
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Namarus
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:32:00 -
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Absolutely splendid idea!
Nothing to see here .... move along. |
Rosetta
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rosetta on 10/10/2003 17:35:16
It is a creative idea which I like a lot. The pro obviously is the entry into BS business at 1/10th magnitude. However, there are a few cons:
1) Must trust BIG. If they have been trustworthy in the past that is good, however things can always change for a multitude of reasons. As long as you don't have the original BP in your personal hangar, you are at some risk to lose 100% of your investment.
2) Slightly reduced return. I calculate that BIG is making 7*24/15 - 10 = 1.2 BPC/week of their own on this deal. So they are getting 12% of the action without putting up any money of their own. This is fair enough I think, given they are promoting and managing the deal. However, it is important to remember that the shareholder is only getting 89% of the BPC returns they would with outright ownership.
3) Lack of liquidity. Imo this is the "biggest" con. Since you do not actually control the original BP, you cannot liquidate your holdings in it if you wish to reallocate your capital to other ventures. You are locked in FOREVER unless you buy out the original BP by purchasing the remaining shares. I know lots of former BS manufactures who have sold their unlimited BPCs for one reason or another. Lack of this option is a serious shortcoming.
Those are the cons. Actually I think I might participate myself if #3 was eliminated. BIG, would you be willing to guarantee "buy back" of shares at 100% of purchase price?
Rosetta
Commodity Analytics, Ltd.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Detaitiv on 10/10/2003 20:53:43
#3: Complete fluidity is a goal, but the likelyhood of achieveing said goal will ultimately depend on total shares sold. It's looking like we will be able to achieve that goal currently but we don't like to make promises we're not postive we can keep.
#2: On the surface it may look like we're going to make a marginal profit from this deal but we will actually count ourselves lucky if we break even. Profit will depend on keeping the bps going 23/7 and with the inevitable human error or random uncalled for bp ejection it is doubtful that will happen.
Damn the generosity of our CEO to the community as a whole, his lottery is one thing...
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