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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.10.11 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Dosh on 11/10/2003 02:03:04
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2) Slightly reduced return... it is important to remember that the shareholder is only getting 89% of the BPC returns they would with outright ownership.
It is important to factor into your oppertunity cost here. Let say one is working toward a 1B ISK original Apoc BP purchase, and let say your corp have a saving rate of 100M per week. Instead of waiting for 10 weeks before you can get the BP, you now can get your ISK working for you on the 1st week instead of the 10th week. Effectively, you are hundred of millions ahead with the BIG Deal!!
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.11 15:56:00 -
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Heh i might sign up for it now you put it like that Dosh 
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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.10.12 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dosh on 12/10/2003 08:32:11
We now have a BIG Deal info page that is viewable with the ingame browser:
http://big.wayland.dk/The_BIG_Deal.asp
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Hideki
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Posted - 2003.10.12 10:27:00 -
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I have to say that thisd is a very good idea from BIG.
And for those worried about BIG runing off with your money...its not gonna happen. I have known the boys in BIG for well over a year now and they are very trsutworthy. There lottery should speak for there trust worthyness.
I spoke in length with Tornsoul last night and gathered some information that ins't posted in that advert. Mainly how much work it actually is, there is alot of bookkeeping involved and other CEO's will be able to sympathise here, he is doing alot of work and deserves the returns that BIG will be getting, also if you dont think that this is a good idea to get your corp into the BB market then you haven't read the post properly, there are no downsides that I can see , if you are going all out on getting a BB BP.
I just have to say Goodluck Tornsoul and BIG, and I will be in touch.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.12 22:05:00 -
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@Hideki
Thank you for the kind words mate
@Rosetta - and many others who have mailed me.
Regarding a 'buy back' policy.
I admit I'm surpriced at how many has asked about this.
My reason for being surpriced is, if you buy a BP from a NPC you dont expect a 'buy back' policy.
Even as a member of a group (having a share) buying a BP, you dont expect a 'buy back' policy.
So I dont quite understand why it is, people think it should be any different with "The BIG Deal".
But so be it.
If that is what people want, then we will try and figure out a way to make that happen (as Detaitiv has already said, we have been giving it some thought)
Another thing we have under consideration is some sort of 'upgrade' policy.
Ie. converting your BP share into a different kind of BP share.
But this is still on the drawing board, with respect to how we would make this possible.
But watch this space - we will post when we have something a bit more concrete than 'we are working on it' 
Soon(tm) anyone 
BIG Lottery
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:33:00 -
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*bump* ouch! 
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:38:00 -
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Torn perhaps at least as part of the buy back idea you could offer the shares that someone wants to liquidate to some else who has an interest in the BP. I know that it isn't fool proof by any means but it might be a first option.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.14 07:56:00 -
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Muad Dib - We Would naturally do that no matter what.
The problem arizes when more people wants to get their money back, than new people buying shares.
*Theoretically*, this could mean we'd suddenly have to pay out billions....
And *we* dont have a buy back guarantee, as I doubt the NPC's could care less, if we ended up short for cash 
My biggest concerns is actually people 'exploiting' a buy back policy, by simply 'withdrawing' their money as soon as they got the first (or 2nd or whatever) BPc.
Thus gaining BPc's for free - which I somehow don't see as fair tbh.
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Ramman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 15:16:00 -
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Ooo, endless supply of BS BP copies for a nominal expense. And if you didn't want to own the "share" anymore, why not sell it to the highest bidder.
Hey people, this is a "new" EVE commodity!
Ramman out... 
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Nemiyen
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Posted - 2003.10.14 16:32:00 -
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My biggest concerns is actually people 'exploiting' a buy back policy, by simply 'withdrawing' their money as soon as they got the first (or 2nd or whatever) BPc.
Thus gaining BPc's for free - which I somehow don't see as fair tbh.
What you could do, if you keep very good and precise logs / databases, then you could make it so people can only get a buy-back option when the price on the amount of blueprint copies they have got is less than the amount they spent on the blueprint  .
I hope that doesn't sound as complicated as it does to me reading it back lol .
Basically, a share of a blueprint costs say 60 mil, if you give a price to the blueprint copy, lets say 10 mil for this example then they can claim a buy-back option of the shares they own upto the 5'th copy they receive, giving them a buy back option of only 10 mil (because of the 5 bp's they own at a value of 10 mil each).
If someone buys back on the second blueprint (they own 2) then they can buy back an amount of 40 mil.
If they have received 6 blueprint copies then there should be NO buy-back option because obviously they are happy with the arrangement. Not to mention it would be stupid because they would have their 60 mil investment back in the price of the copies and would then be making money from the additional copies they receive
This should be easy to implement with one person owning one share in a blueprint but could become more difficult when they own multiple shares in one blueprint but with adequate databases / information you should be able to work it out .
Not sure how that would work though in practice
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roman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 23:20:00 -
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I had an idea not exactly like this but i think in similar catagory ,you might had read it in general forum .lol i thought it was great idea but unfortunatly very little ppl responed to it .guess nobody trust anybody in this game .maybe your recognised corp name help you in this matter .
Good luck to you guys and hope ppl aprricate your efforts  .
Ok just wanted to help you in bumping this post .
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roman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 23:36:00 -
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Ohh sorry forgot to say something as i heard the reaserche done on a bp won't transfer to bpc from next or future patches .just something you consider about .
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Nemiyen
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Posted - 2003.10.15 06:19:00 -
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Lol, no I never read anything like that on the forums I just thought it up myself .
Where did you hear about the copies not transfering the mineral research?
The whole point of a blueprint copy is it's a copy of the original, if the original has mineral research.... and you make a copy.... surely the copy will have mineral research too (like it does now)
What's the point in making copies (or calling it a copy if it's not actually a copy) if the mineral research does not transfer? I've not heard anything about this myself but maybe I missed it? 
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Ramman
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Posted - 2003.10.16 03:52:00 -
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bump
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Godless
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:28:00 -
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Are you sure the non transfer of BP properties is not just a rumor, never seen anything posted re. this.
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roman
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:15:00 -
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Sorry I shouldn't post it ,my fried had told me about it which i regard him as well informed .he told me he read it in a post from a gm .
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.17 08:41:00 -
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I think he might have confused it with the issue about the unlimited BPc's out there.
I suggest starting up a thread about it, maybe someone can even find the original post, so we can read what it *really* said.
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Regarding "The BIG Deal", we are still considering how to implement a 'buy back' option.
But I'll have to say, that the idea presented by Nemiyen sounds like a good idea.
Most likely thats how it'll be done.
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Ramman
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:43:00 -
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TS, you are being to nice. You should look at it as business deal, not charity.
Allowing a buy back option is double dipping into your good nature at your expense. They get copies at a much cheaper rate and much sooner than otherwise possible, then they get a refund!?
No Buy Back.
I am sure that any honest business man, that isn't trying to take advantage of you, would respect a No Buy Back policy.
Ramman out...
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Maggot
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Posted - 2003.10.18 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Maggot on 18/10/2003 00:57:17
Tornsoul,
Why not just allow the share to be transferrable. A shareholder could sell on their share to another party and you would just update your share register.
This means you dont have to provide any guarantee and the purchaser has a saleable asset.
You have a very interesting scheme and I would probably invest.
Maggot.
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.18 19:14:00 -
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*trip*
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.19 16:52:00 -
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@Maggot
Shareholders are naturally free to sell their share to someone else.
Another nice feature of The BIG Deal, as opposed to other BP schemes, where you (usually) are 'locked' into the deal forever.
I've already previously in this thread¦, when discussing a 'buy back' option, said that you could always sell off your share to someone else (maybe even for a lower price).
All that it takes is that I get a mail from the 'old' and the 'new' shareholder.
It matters nothing to us, to who we 'pay out' the BPc's.
Should we 'disallow' this, there would be nothing stopping shareholders doing it 'behind our backs' anyhow, by, the 'old' shareholder, simply passing on the BPc's to the 'new' shareholer.
So we are making it easy for everyone, and simply making it an 'official' transfer should anyone wish to do so.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:09:00 -
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bump for a great idea from someone who does keep his word
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.20 13:20:00 -
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@Muaddid
Thanks for the bump and the vote of confidence.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.21 17:44:00 -
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"The BIG Deal" is an ongoing business, so it is still possible to buy shares.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.22 19:49:00 -
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The BIG is still going strong.
If you have a 'taste' for getting your own BPc's, do read the first post in this thread.
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Ramman
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Posted - 2003.10.23 17:20:00 -
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Bump Up 
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.24 16:10:00 -
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A quick update on The BIG Deal, for those that might be courious.
In the last 2 weeks (and a bit) 7 shares has been sold.
An average of one share every other day is far better than what we hoped for, so sofar so good.
Additionally ~5 more interested parties are considering buying one or more shares.
Still to be seen when/if they come up with the money though.
Of the 7 shares sold, 3 are lvl 2 Battleship shares and 4 are lvl 1 Battleship shares.
Feel free to mail me if you have questions about The BIG Deal
Regards
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.26 02:50:00 -
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Up 
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.26 17:44:00 -
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Yup - It's still around
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.10.26 20:26:00 -
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We're scraping cash up atm...hopefully Starbucks Intergalactic will be onboard by the end of the week
Not just a bump
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These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
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Chapter 1, Verse 3.
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