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Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 09:58:00 -
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I have recently encountered this type of players, they are in militia, they camp a starbase in enemy highsec and shoot everyone in opposing militia who attempts to leave. Those few navy ships that attack them are easily tanked.
Did CCP really mean this to happen, the description of those navy ships clearly states that they will call for reinforcements, but they do not do so here, although their capsuleer allies are getting destroyed.
My point is, if the navy squad engaging the wartarget fails to destroy it in, let's say a minute, another squad should spawn, and another and another. The current situation is quite ridiculous for me. |

afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
353
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:02:00 -
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Instant undocks are your friend. |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:11:00 -
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afkalt wrote:Instant undocks are your friend.
They are, but that is not my point. My point is absoulute lack of logic in this game mechanic, I presume reinforcements for navy would spawn after attacking/destroying those navy ships, but are those men in them so stupid that they do not realize they can't destroy the enemy without reinforcements? |

Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
62
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:12:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:I have recently encountered this type of players, they are in militia, they camp a starbase in enemy highsec and shoot everyone in opposing militia who attempts to leave. Those few navy ships that attack them are easily tanked.
Did CCP really mean this to happen, the description of those navy ships clearly states that they will call for reinforcements, but they do not do so here, although their capsuleer allies are getting destroyed.
My point is, if the navy squad engaging the wartarget fails to destroy it in, let's say a minute, another squad should spawn, and another and another. The current situation is quite ridiculous for me.
.... don't rely on NPCs get a group together and kill him. I do wish that enemy militia could not doc in a hostile faction station in hostile space |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:22:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote:I have recently encountered this type of players, they are in militia, they camp a starbase in enemy highsec and shoot everyone in opposing militia who attempts to leave. Those few navy ships that attack them are easily tanked.
Did CCP really mean this to happen, the description of those navy ships clearly states that they will call for reinforcements, but they do not do so here, although their capsuleer allies are getting destroyed.
My point is, if the navy squad engaging the wartarget fails to destroy it in, let's say a minute, another squad should spawn, and another and another. The current situation is quite ridiculous for me. .... don't rely on NPCs get a group together and kill him. I do wish that enemy militia could not doc in a hostile faction station in hostile space
It's hisec you know, And you are supposed to be attacked with overwhelming NPC force in enemy hisec. Those few navy ships are quite adorable, like a pack of puppies trying to wrestle down a human.
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Maya Xadi
Deep Space Recreational Resort
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:14:00 -
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If you are in FW and still living in Hi-sec, you are doing it wrong :) |

Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
62
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:16:00 -
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Who said you were supposed to be overwhelmingly attacked by npcs |

Angeal MacNova
LankTech
209
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:57:00 -
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From the short time I've spent in the militia, I ran some missions on the edge of hi-sec. There was one particular station where an enemy would camp inside. They would undock to try and catch WTs as they undocked.
The thing is, that's all they seem to do.
So you don't go to that station (buy stuff from a hub anyway) and you'll probably never see them. They won't try and hunt you down.
However, if you are trying to avoid WTs in your home system, why join FW in the first place? |

Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:04:00 -
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Not sure how much DPS the NPCs let out, but easy to tank? My shield buffer Gnosis was put into below half shield in a matter of 10-15 seconds when I was last in this situation. Yes a Myrmy was also attacking me but that's still a fair amount of EHP quickly. |

Vesan Terakol
The Vo'Shun Bad Intention
84
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:05:00 -
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Ah, the usual sight of a legion sitting above the Hek undock and getting shot by the Minmatar navy... I've always considered it stupid that a person can stand like that, tank all the damage and just chill inside the station bubble, quickly retreating if faced with overwhelming odds.
1337 high-sec PvP at its best, i guess.
Capsuleers are gods among men, but they are not indestructible. You should not be able to do that indefinitely! Just like you can't tank gate guns indefinitely. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4259327 - more suff in the Zero.Zero collection |

Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
18
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:42:00 -
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afkalt wrote:Instant undocks are your friend.
/sign
I only see crying about a ship loss
vote 4 close
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
490
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:33:00 -
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CCP doesn't want NPC's being overt and op help in the FW fight basically. FW side A is not getting uber concord level ships to aid in the fight.
Station camping...jc's are your friend here. Trick I learned in 0.0 is keep a few spread all over. If say in x-7 at one time station A was camped hard but station B a ghost town....into that clone and ship prestaged for them I went to clear station, go to a safe and wait for word of camp breaking fleet form up to join up. Better than being stuck at any rate.
Not partiial to jc's....don't log in station. Log in space and bounce around as soon as you log in to shake any probing if going on. Now if out of empire I'd check in comms before login if a safe pos used for this. Out of empire a lot can happen to pos in 24-48 hours. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3089
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:02:00 -
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These FW tears are delicious.
How about you get some FW buddies together next time you're on that alt, and go kill the campers, OP? Stop expecting NPCs to do it for you. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:35:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:afkalt wrote:Instant undocks are your friend. They are, but that is not my point. My point is absoulute lack of logic in this game mechanic, I presume reinforcements for navy would spawn after attacking/destroying those navy ships, but are those men in them so stupid that they do not realize they can't destroy the enemy without reinforcements?
I hate to break this to you, but you are the reinforcements. If the Navies could kill capsuleers without help, they owuldn't need involved in Faction War - nor would they need CONCORD to keep the peace.
If you need assistance clearing a station, call your freinds (you do have some of those right?) - they are the most OP weapon in the game. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
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Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:46:00 -
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It seems most of you did not get it, although I clearly stated it, and had only some insults to say.
Good job. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3091
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:06:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:It seems most of you did not get it, although I clearly stated it, and had only some insults to say.
Good job.
Get what? That you're watering your lap from your face over the fact that a player can tank a handful of ****-pot NPCs and kill you and your buddies who don't have instas set up?
Or do we not get how hard it is for you to fight the bad man?
Do we not understand the plight of the common FW footsoldier, who just wants to undock and go spin down a clock in peace?
Plenty of us understand just fine. We've been there, and done that; we managed fine. You're not the first person to deal with this 'problem.'
Quote: But I am patient and will try it again: It's hisec, and NPC's are supposed to have it under control.
No, they are not. Faction navy is simply a deterrent. They are not intended to 'have it under control.' This is why you are freely allowed to engage FW targets in high sec. You are at war with each other. You are supposed to have it under control. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Iain Cariaba
364
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:53:00 -
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Still trying to figure out how you get station camped in highsec...
Last I knew, a properly prepared capsuleer was impossible to camp in a highsec or lowsec station, due to, you know, undock BMs and lack of bubbles...
I bet you don't have any insta-dock BMs either, just using the dock button and hoping you land on grid within dock range.
As far as Empire navy NPCs in highsec, why should they be any stronger than the NPCs you encounter in sites? If you can tank the ships in a site, why not on station as well? Actually, you'd think that outside the capitol system, the stronger ships would be on the front lines, not playing police in some no-name backwater.
This thread is pretty much OP whining about how EvE isn't fair, and needs closed. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:58:00 -
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You really need to stop this, all you do is insulting me without understanding what I mean.
Just read the description of Faction warfare (Attacked by strong faction navy, not by an adorable pack of puppies) and navy vessels (It can call in reinforcements if the need arises), that's all you need to know. +Use your common sense, that should help. With navies as weak as this, capsuleers should be in control of all known space. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5160
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:04:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:It seems most of you did not get it, although I clearly stated it, and had only some insults to say.
Good job. -¿ But I am patient and will try it again: It's hisec, and NPC's are supposed to have it under control. dont expect anything of npcs, you bring shame to Ralphs every where =]I[= |

Iain Cariaba
364
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:11:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:You really need to stop this, all you do is insulting me without understanding what I mean.
Just read the description of Faction warfare (Attacked by strong faction navy, not by an adorable pack of puppies) and navy vessels (It can call in reinforcements if the need arises), that's all you need to know. +Use your common sense, that should help. With navies as weak as this, capsuleers should be in control of all known space. Except for two things: Concord and the Jovians. Read the lore before you start spouting off and make yourself look even more foolish. Concord punishes the evil doer in highsec, and you being in a war makes it okay to shoot wartargets. There is also a balance of power within highsec that the Jovians have stepped in to maintain before, which is why your battles for territory occur in lowsec. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:21:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote:It seems most of you did not get it, although I clearly stated it, and had only some insults to say.
Good job. -¿ But I am patient and will try it again: It's hisec, and NPC's are supposed to have it under control. dont expect anything of npcs, you bring shame to Ralphs every where
Get out. |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:22:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote:You really need to stop this, all you do is insulting me without understanding what I mean.
Just read the description of Faction warfare (Attacked by strong faction navy, not by an adorable pack of puppies) and navy vessels (It can call in reinforcements if the need arises), that's all you need to know. +Use your common sense, that should help. With navies as weak as this, capsuleers should be in control of all known space. Except for two things: Concord and the Jovians. Read the lore before you start spouting off and make yourself look even more foolish. Concord punishes the evil doer in highsec, and you being in a war makes it okay to shoot wartargets. There is also a balance of power within highsec that the Jovians have stepped in to maintain before, which is why your battles for territory occur in lowsec.
Ok, you won't stop insulting me, so I will just ignore comments with insults, write it again and without insulting me.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3098
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:25:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:
Ok, you won't stop insulting me, so I will just ignore comments with insults, write it again and without insulting me.
It's not an insult to call you foolish when you're being a fool.
"i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:35:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote:
Ok, you won't stop insulting me, so I will just ignore comments with insults, write it again and without insulting me.
It's not an insult to call you foolish when you're being a fool.
It is, you are presumably one of those campers, attempts to discuss the logic about these things always lure dumbasses who are fond of it. Who start shitstorming in attempt to make others think that the author is stupid so they do not support his idea. |

Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
490
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:38:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote: +Use your common sense, that should help. With navies as weak as this, capsuleers should be in control of all known space.
Now you get the picture.....if fw so chose to this could happen. One side is doing this in your setup. They come in a force to take on the npc navy and your player based response.
Its now on your faction to counter this (properly) . Camp breaking fleets, doing the same thing in their space, etc.
CCP only cares about keeping gankers in check in empire and that is why concord is uber. The backstory to that is quite funny. Long ago concord was not uber. As iirc a larger crew (not sure if alliance or coalition...someone who knows please add details) made empire systems their private playgrounds. Tanked and killed concord and whoever else was in it. This while amusing was kind of bad for the game. So concord got buffed hard.
Your FW is advertised as pvp. Player vs Player...its on the factions to make their meta, not have it influenced by npc's. Put another if a FW faction can't scare up the peeps to run a camp breaking fleet, sucks to be them. Not being an ass here...I am jaded from 0.0. One of my signs it was time to leave a home was can this alliance be assed enough to at least keep their station systems clear of overt power plays. If they are failing to do that....said alliance has issues. Usually failscade arises from this. As it did with 2 alliances I was in.
Is it just bad luck and we'll say PL and goons set aside differences to bum rush your ass en masse, or is leadership just that bad and its scrubs camping you hard. Former...thats eve lol. Latter....find new homes for pvp my recommendation. Granted FW can't faliscade and evaporate off the server. Doesn't mean you have to flounder around in sea of crap either though.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3099
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:41:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote:
Ok, you won't stop insulting me, so I will just ignore comments with insults, write it again and without insulting me.
It's not an insult to call you foolish when you're being a fool. It is, you are presumably one of those campers, attempts to discuss the logic about these things always lure dumbasses who are fond of it. Who start shitstorming in attempt to make others think that the author is stupid so they do not support his idea.
Look at this, folks. Let the insults fly!
Your vitriol doesn't change the fact that your suggestion and continued defense of it in the face of every reason given to you why it's wrong is foolish. Ergo, you are being foolish.
There is absolutely no way that a FW war target is reliably camping you into a station, while simultaneously tanking the faction navy. You are the one that is doing it wrong; you simply refuse to use the tools given to you by CCP to avoid being camped in. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:42:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote: +Use your common sense, that should help. With navies as weak as this, capsuleers should be in control of all known space.
Now you get the picture.....if fw so chose to this could happen. One side is doing this in your setup. They come in a force to take on the npc navy and your player based response. Its now on your faction to counter this (properly) . Camp breaking fleets, doing the same thing in their space, etc. CCP only cares about keeping gankers in check in empire and that is why concord is uber. The backstory to that is quite funny. Long ago concord was not uber. As iirc a larger crew (not sure if alliance or coalition...someone who knows please add details) made empire systems their private playgrounds. Tanked and killed concord and whoever else was in it. This while amusing was kind of bad for the game. So concord got buffed hard. Your FW is advertised as pvp. Player vs Player...its on the factions to make their meta, not have it influenced by npc's. Put another if a FW faction can't scare up the peeps to run a camp breaking fleet, sucks to be them. Not being an ass here...I am jaded from 0.0. One of my signs it was time to leave a home was can this alliance be assed enough to at least keep their station systems clear of overt power plays. If they are failing to do that....said alliance has issues. Usually failscade arises from this. As it did with 2 alliances I was in. Is it just bad luck and we'll say PL and goons set aside differences to bum rush your ass en masse, or is leadership just that bad and its scrubs camping you hard. Former...thats eve lol. Latter....find new homes for pvp my recommendation. Granted FW can't faliscade and evaporate off the server. Doesn't mean you have to flounder around in sea of crap either though.
And I thought that high security space means high security space. And I also didn't know that factions have only 3 ships guarding their space |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3099
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:45:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote: And I also didn't know that factions have only 3 ships guarding their space
Because you can't be assed to learn what it is you're talking about before you disgorge your nonsense onto the forums.
It's obvious by this quoted post that you have no idea how the faction Navy spawns work or can be manipulated to allow for this behavior. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Ralph Shepard
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:56:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Ralph Shepard wrote: And I also didn't know that factions have only 3 ships guarding their space Because you can't be assed to learn what it is you're talking about before you disgorge your nonsense onto the forums. It's obvious by this quoted post that you have no idea how the faction Navy spawns work or can be manipulated to allow for this behavior.
I can ass with you (That'S what you want me to do, troll), but I do not, because I do not use meaningless and empty insults when I argue with somebody, as you do.
I came here to tell you about the lack of logic in the current system, and you responded with insults, be ashamed. |

Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
490
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:56:00 -
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Ralph Shepard wrote: And I thought that high security space means high security space. And I also didn't know that factions have only 3 ships guarding their space
when you signed up for fw you gave that up dude. You made yourself a WT 23.5/7 to the other faction.
When someone has you wt red....no place is safe.
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