Look at this, folks. Let the insults fly!

Your vitriol doesn't change the fact that your suggestion and continued defense of it in the face of every reason given to you why it's wrong is foolish. Ergo, you are being foolish.

There is absolutely no way that a FW war target is reliably camping you into a station, while simultaneously tanking the faction navy. You are the one that is doing it wrong; you simply refuse to use the tools given to you by CCP to avoid being camped in.

when you signed up for fw you gave that up dude. You made yourself a WT 23.5/7 to the other faction.


When someone has you wt red....no place is safe.

Well, in real situation, it will be something like WT arty Hurricane with 3-4 "neutral" logi sitting at station docking range, so NPC damage is easily tanked. A few militia BC / BS can easily "fix" this issue, but... they just don't care. :)

Get out.

I came here to tell you about the lack of logic in the current system, and you responded with insults, be ashamed.

Well, in real situation, it will be something like WT arty Hurricane with 3-4 "neutral" logi sitting at station docking range, so NPC damage is easily tanked. A few militia BC / BS can easily "fix" this issue, but... they just don't care. :)

maybe the factions should form a militia and hire such pilots

This is utter nonsense.

Why would capsuleers want to engage in combat with other capsuleers, when CCP can make NPCs do it for them?

Dunnno, ask OP as that is obviously what he wants to happen.

Because high sec is supposed to be criminals/wartargets free. High sec means high security space I believe, even for war.
+War is supposed to be kept out of highsec and stay i lowsec space.

suddenly it hits me.... Troll post

Because high sec is supposed to be criminals/wartargets free. High sec means high security space I believe, even for war.
+War is supposed to be kept out of highsec and stay i lowsec space.

Either a troll or you really missed some of the bigger themes of EVE.

High-sec is safer relative to low-sec... low-sec is safer relative to null-sec... null-sec is safer relative to wormhole space.

The key words here are "safer relative to." What you are effectively asking for (in your last post) is not "high-security" but "total-security"... which does not exist in EVE. At all.

It even says as much so in the Official New Player FAQ (located in one of the sticky threads in this subforum).

Criminals can fly anywhere they want to in the game and perform any activity they wish... provided they are willing to deal with the inconveniences resulting from their poor security rating (attacked by NPC police, can be attacked by players).

War declarations apply anywhere and everywhere in EVE, regardless of system security rating. And unlike Faction Warfare, no NPCs will assist anyone in a normal war-dec in any way, shape, or form.
Count your blessings. You have an edge (however large or small).

I know, but this has nothing to do with the passivity of NPC navy, when a war target enters space they are supposed to protect.

I know, but this has nothing to do with the passivity of NPC navy, when a war target enters space they are supposed to protect.

No. Mechanics-wise they are supposed to "discourage," but not outright prevent, people from attacking.

YOUR job as a person in Faction Warfare is to kill people.


Again... be grateful that you have NPCs doing that much. In a normal war declaration there is no NPC involvement (beyond the initial war fees).

This thread is amazing, you're all doing a bang up job in here.

It's factional warfare you know, and I do not believe they want enemies in their high security space.

Don't you find it ridiculous that navy vessels are able to shoot them for several hours, unable to destroy it, without calling for reinforcements (from their navy, not from militia). Because navies are supposed to protect hisec space from threats, they leave lowsec (mostly) for capsuleers. Here, they are unable to protect their highsec space, which says something about the strenght of the empires.

Btw. there are also groups (marmites) that wardec non-pvp corps and harass them by camping the stations and gates (in Uedama most of the time).

I think you are putting too much weight on your own preconceived notions on how things should be (which you are trying to support by pointing out misnomers).

Again... high-sec was NEVER designed to be safe by any stretch of the imagination.

And no NPC in the game was ever designed to "protect." CONCORD, Faction Police, Faction Navy... they are all reactionary/punitive mechanics that exact a "price"/"penalty" for your actions without actually stopping you from doing whatever you want to do.

If you, the player, want to stop something from happening... it is up to YOU to stop it.


And?

There is no such thing as "non-PvP" in this game. Miners and industrialists affect the market... which means that they affect other people's abilities to perform activities (such as wage war).
So other people with different playstyles are given the same courtesy.

Again... it is up to the player to secure themselves against other players... any way they can.

Btw. there are also groups (marmites) that wardec non-pvp corps and harass them by camping the stations and gates (in Uedama most of the time).

They are, but that is not my point. My point is absoulute lack of logic in this game mechanic, I presume reinforcements for navy would spawn after attacking/destroying those navy ships, but are those men in them so stupid that they do not realize they can't destroy the enemy without reinforcements?

This is a big problem in choke point systems like Litiura where it seems like every frog and his mother have set up a gate camp there at least once. There have been multiple threads detailing everything from enemy hisec gate lockouts to hisec station lockouts, but the core of the issue comes back to the customs police and navy not having any teeth to fight back against these pirates. If they make them stronger, I think that will solve all the issues people are currently facing with this.

Who said you were supposed to be overwhelmingly attacked by npcs

Every time I enter gallente space a megathron tries to buttsecs me ;/ And even with lube it hurts. I was in deadspace pocket and they warp to me :(

I have recently encountered this type of players, they are in militia, they camp a starbase in enemy highsec and shoot everyone in opposing militia who attempts to leave. Those few navy ships that attack them are easily tanked.

Did CCP really mean this to happen, the description of those navy ships clearly states that they will call for reinforcements, but they do not do so here, although their capsuleer allies are getting destroyed.

My point is, if the navy squad engaging the wartarget fails to destroy it in, let's say a minute, another squad should spawn, and another and another + They should get sentry gun agression, sentries are supposed to protect places they are assigned to defend, aren't they?. The current situation is quite ridiculous for me.