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PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
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Posted - 2014.09.26 09:46:00 -
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Two step wrote:Where is this magic new requirement that you must be able to screw up what people want to do on their own time coming from?
Welcome to eve. Don't want to be screwed with? Then I'd recommend staying docked up. Enjoy your stay.
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PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 09:55:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This is the best idea CCP have come up with since 'loot spew'
Let us hope it goes the same way.
Unless of course they promise to never introduce it onto TQ.
Then, who cares?
anyone playing on TQ should care. everything is painfully empty because there r 19k people using this on the test server which is making the ACTUAL GAME very unenjoyable at the moment. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:42:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:EVE's "winning formula" has turned it into a game where nullsec is stagnant, people can and do roam 40j without finding anything (either because they're not allowed to shoot the half of EVE that's blue to them or because all they find are risk-averse pilots who dock/pos up) and where people log out and play other games as a way to pass the time.
Is that really okay? Are you really saying "EVE should be this game that people log out of to go play something else"?
Let's not forget how so-called 1v1 virtually requires you to have an offgrid boosting alt (because the other guy does) and how there's just so much PvP in highsec that isn't docking games or ganks.
So yeah. Dojos will totally kill EVE. Because EVE is in the best state it's ever been in. Is the sarcasm thick enough yet?
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
One last thing: None of you crying change-averse bittervets seem to realize that this isn't on TQ. It hasn't been announced for TQ. It hasn't even been put on SiSi. It's on Duality and nobody has said the first thing about it going to any other server. So HTFU and STFU or GTFO. [*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
i mostly solo and duo pvp. I don't use off grid boosting and my kb looks just fine. Secondly, it doesn't matter that it isn't on TQ because it is having the same or maybe a worse affect than if it were because it is pulling a ton of ppl from TQ and making things very empty and unenjoyable. In general fewer ppl online means fewer ppl to potentially **** with. Which in turn means less fun for me and people who play like me. GTFO |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.28 09:04:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:Kasarch wrote:Arenas? Are you seriously? When you split eve cluster to different instances?
Also you need to remove space travels and make button "Fight" like in world of tanks. You shouldn't use logical fallacies if you want people to take you seriously : https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slopeTry to make logical and compelling arguments against dojos. Good luck with that. 
The problem with you ridiculing him for using the slipery slope argument is that you too are engaging in conjecture. you're saying that our fears are unfounded and will not come to fruition and you have about as much if not less solid evidence that it won't happen as we do that it will. So get down off ur high ****ing horse. This is all CONJECTURE, so stfu about logical fallacies when nobody in here is engaging it structured sound logical argumentation. I could just as easily call yor argument the "Believes all content in eve is compartmentalized and will not effect other aspects" fallacy. All you are attempting to do is marginalize legitimate fears.
Btw. In debate an argument has to be both sound and logical to be considered valid. Also it's better to be sound and not logical than logical and not sound. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.28 09:17:00 -
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And honestly, as a pirate, I don't want there to be an easy button to learn pvp. It would directly cut in on potential profit by making more hard targets. I like it when there are idiots flying ships they have no business being in. If people want to learn to pvp they need to just go to low sec. I'll kill them until they learn how to not be killed and they will be better off for it in the end.
and i believe it undermines the effort that those of us who have learned the hard way had to put in. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:02:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:PastyWhiteDevil wrote:
The problem with you ridiculing him for using the slipery slope argument is that you too are engaging in conjecture. you're saying that our fears are unfounded and will not come to fruition and you have about as much if not less solid evidence that it won't happen as we do that it will. So get down off ur high ****ing horse. This is all CONJECTURE, so stfu about logical fallacies when nobody in here is engaging it structured sound logical argumentation. I could just as easily call your argument the "Believes all content in eve is compartmentalized and will not effect other aspects" fallacy. All you are attempting to do is marginalize legitimate fears.
Btw. In debate an argument has to be both sound and logical to be considered valid. Also it's better to be sound and not logical than logical and not sound.
The burden of proof is on you, if you don't expect me to react when people with a meta-game agenda (aka I don't want to adapt my gameplay to this change) post doom and gloom comments with no logical basis then you should ignore my post, because I will, over and over. As an example last time people were saying duels would kill eve : http://i.imgur.com/5v1zptC.jpgStatements like "why go to lowsec/nullsec/x instead of pushing a button for a fair fight" imply that dojos will remove the incentive to go to nullsec/lowsec, which is plain wrong. Stop trying to leverage fear with doom and gloom posts and be honest : you might have less easy targets to blob/gank if you don't adapt your gameplay to this change that's why most people are against this change. Eve is all about risk vs reward.
I'm sorry, but how exactly is the burden of proof on me? I'm not the one who wants this added to game you are. It is up to you to justtify why this needs to be added. This is a needless feature and it's no different than a miner wanting one of these to protect him and his rocks. absolutely laughable. "oh you can still destroy it so it's in the spirit of eve" stfu you shouldn't need a bs or cap fleet to mess with a 1v1 or a miner and his rocks.
it won't remove incentive to go to low sec but it will most definitely lessen it and there is already very little incentive to begin with. If this involved some sort of rebalance that placed more emphasis on low sec as being a place you need to go to whether you pvp, pve, mine, industry etc. i'd be less inclined to kill this with fire, but as it currently stands KILL IT WITH FIRE.
"you might have less easy targets to blob/gank if you don't adapt your gameplay to this change[/b] that's why most people are against this change." Have you ever tried to legit pirate while trying to achieve true -10? I can't shoot rats, run sites or do missions. Loot and ransoms and the occasional loathsome bouts of exploration are my only sources of income. Any feature that will pull people away from the already painfully empty low sec is unacceptable. Additionally most of your average pirate corps don't have the resourses that would probably be needed to reinforce and destroy one of these dojos all while fighting off the ppl who don't want it blown up. Your taking what should be 2 targets of opportunity (the 2 ships fighting) and tuning it into a multi day fleet endeavor. Part of this games appeal is the ability to be a pirate and we are a disappearing breed. We get no love from ccp to begin with. We don't need this on top of it. This is not just an adaptation of playstyle thats focused on meta-game. I shouldn't need a cap fleet in order to mess with 2 ppl 1v1ing. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:35:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:PastyWhiteDevil wrote:Stuff about capfleets and poverty It's been mentioned at least once in this thread that the structure has the HP of a mobile depot. Unless there's a reason for fielding dreads to kill those, you won't need a cap fleet. I also suspect that if this prototype is developed further (that's a significant if), the reinforcement timer will be shortened significantly or the EHP will be significantly boosted (with some notice to the owner that "hey, someone's shooting your stuff, you should defend it") and the reinforcement removed entirely.
Yes, because thats exactly what eve needs. more shooting structures...
So what your saying is before when i was roaming around is my frig dessy or cruiser, if i want to mess with this, i now have to go reship, asseble some sort of fleet, go back, shoot this thing, and hope i don't get dropped on by a larger force, in order to mess with this 1v1 that i should have just been able to obliterate in the first place. all so you can have some sort or intangible space bushido? r u high?
"Stuff about capfleets and poverty" I hope you didn't overexert yourself building that straw man. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:02:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:PastyWhiteDevil wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:PastyWhiteDevil wrote:Stuff about capfleets and poverty It's been mentioned at least once in this thread that the structure has the HP of a mobile depot. Unless there's a reason for fielding dreads to kill those, you won't need a cap fleet. I also suspect that if this prototype is developed further (that's a significant if), the reinforcement timer will be shortened significantly or the EHP will be significantly boosted (with some notice to the owner that "hey, someone's shooting your stuff, you should defend it") and the reinforcement removed entirely. Yes, because thats exactly what eve needs. more shooting structures... So what your saying is before when i was roaming around is my frig dessy or cruiser, if i want to mess with this, i now have to go reship, asseble some sort of fleet, go back, shoot this thing, and hope i don't get dropped on by a larger force, in order to mess with this 1v1 that i should have just been able to obliterate in the first place. all so you can have some sort or intangible space bushido? r u high? "Stuff about capfleets and poverty" I hope you didn't overexert yourself building that straw man. It wasn't even a strawman. It was a snip for brevity because I didn't want to quote that whole wall of text. Get over yourself. Anyway, if you can't kill - or at least reinforce - a mobile depot with a destroyer (to say nothing of cruisers) then I just don't know what to tell you. However, you seem to have missed something in your butthurt shitpost: The entire point I was making is that it doesn't take capitals to attack these things. That's all I was saying, and anything beyond that is all you.
no, it most definitely was a straw man because my point was not about poverty. it was about an aspect of eve being further marginalized. It being harder to make isk is just a symptom.
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PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.30 22:28:00 -
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It might also be a good idea to note in your analysis of this that ccp veritas is going over to riot games who make league of legends. In my opinion that makes it pretty clear what type of content he wants to create. so make of it what u will. |
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