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TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:13:44 -
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personally i would set up dojos in places like Uedama in order to attract more anti-gank support. if active pvp'ers hang out in gank hotspots around highsec it means more people are ready and able to participate in anti-gank fleets (as opposed to being busy pvp'ing and having fun somewhere else long time ago in a galaxy far far away) |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 09:01:58 -
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people who have bad opinions of dojos probably have some kind of greedy agenda to keep their businesses going or maybe they just want more flies to be caught in their pvp net somewhere in lowsec which nobody cares about  |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 12:15:41 -
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The Hamilton wrote:TheExtruder wrote:people who have bad opinions of dojos probably have some kind of greedy agenda to keep their businesses going or maybe they just want more flies to be caught in their pvp net somewhere in lowsec which nobody cares about  Or just don't want to see space become empty of willing PvPers. Most small gang and solo PvPers would simply use dojo's instead to get their PvP fix instead of going out into the UNKNOWN and creating more meaningful content. Just because you are afraid doesn't mean others are, but making a road easier to travel means that is the one EVE players always take.
most people (including myself) that are not very experinced in PvP dont dare to go out into lowsec/null into the UNKNOWN but it doesnt mean the game shouldnt try to appeal to us carebears |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 15:22:40 -
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Evora Pirkibo wrote:TheExtruder wrote:most people (including myself) that are not very experinced in PvP dont dare to go out into lowsec/null into the UNKNOWN but it doesnt mean the game shouldnt try to appeal to us carebears Yes. Yes it does. Why don't you dare? Because others are successful, possibly at your expense? And you say the reason to not go to these areas because of your lack of pvp experience, yet going there is how you get said experience. So you, and the others you attempt to speak for are victims of your own self limitation, and want the game catered to suit your limitations. Lest we forget Eve and the term sandbox used to describe it does not mean you can do what ever you like. It means you can try to do what ever you like.
fear of unknown is one of the biggest fears for a man. its easy to say "overcome your fear", but hard to do. You can't be so pushy toward carebears to overcome their fears, you have to cater the game around this |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 15:56:38 -
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Evora Pirkibo wrote:TheExtruder wrote:fear of unknown is one of the biggest fears for a man. its easy to say "overcome your fear", but hard to do. You can't be so pushy toward carebears to overcome their fears, you have to cater the game around this You cant be so pushy to cater the game to those unwilling to experience its true nature. Every successful pvper was once not, and learned to overcome their challenges. If anything, the high concentration of players in highsec indicates a need for dispersal across more areas of space. Not that eve should cater even more content options for those that choose to live exclusively there. We need more reasons for players to leave highsec far more desperately than content to keep them happy there.
yeah true. but i strongly feel a middle ground needs to be found between those who are active pvp and those who are slowly moving in that direction. if people become experts at fits and know what their ship is capable of in combat, they they will dare to venture out into the unknown more. finding a middle ground is the way to go, thats why ccp is getting better at creating PvE missions, its a middle ground and a preparation for the real thing |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 17:31:27 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:TheExtruder wrote:people who have bad opinions of dojos probably have some kind of greedy agenda to keep their businesses going or maybe they just want more flies to be caught in their pvp net somewhere in lowsec which nobody cares about  Complete Bullshit. I'm not a pvper and even I see this as against all of the founding principles of Eve Online. An Instance in the Sandbox...
what is this sandbox exactly, is it not a playground for all the kids no matter what toys they choose to play with
i have flown with the big guys in null, and i have experienced/lived the blob mentality, its just not for me at the moment because i choose to live a different type of "social mentality" in highsec where i can create corporations and channels around anti-ganking for example or whatever else, its simply my career path. I would like to have access to pvp in this type of social lifestyle in highsec, the closest that comes to fulfilling my pvp needs are NPSI fleets like spectre fleet channel, but even in NPSI there is a sense of blob mentality which i am not a big fan of currently because of my lack of understanding of ships and fits that i would consider fun to try out. Dojos would be a way to dive deeper into the ship fits and from there new pvp schemes can grow, these schemes might drive me back into more dangerous territory like lowsec/null where fear of loss is amplified |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:10:13 -
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Evora Pirkibo wrote:Eve's sandbox is where the kids can play with their toys, and other kids can come kick sand in your face, stomp all over your toys, and perhaps ransom the bits back to you. Or just laugh in your face.
There are much better means of driving conflict and content into low/null.
i guess a higher evolved sandbox would be more like what we have in real life society, where people cant necessarily have an easy time to "stomp all over other peoples toys" because then they would get into trouble and the whole thing wouldnt be worth it to begin with |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 22:06:54 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:havent read the whole thread just the first few pages.
but i have to say this is the single most awesome idea i have heard of yet in eve and also that i cant understand the fear and skeptisim behind putting this on TQ.
I have played eve since Dec 2012 so im a relatively young character but i feel the addition of this feature will breath new life into the game.
Eve is an awesome game, and i love it. But man at times i just want to log on and pvp.
I've been in Hi, Lo, Null and wherever i go sometimes (most of the time) space is just dead. You can roam for ages and find nothing. Making the whole experience boring.
Even in RvB its duifficult to find a fight all the time. Sure you get more fights but sometimes theres just nothing going on.
This is why for a short while i stopped playing eve and just logged in to update my skillqueue. Other games had more instant gratification so I went there.
I have now returned to eve to give nul another go in the hopes of finding gf''s.
sometimes there are. but most of the time space is dead.
but if eve had this feature, i would never be bored. imagine during fleet downtime you can instantly find pvp. practice ur game , actually get better...
I think it would certainly open up pvp to new players as well. which is fantastic because its so awesome in this game when **** actually goes down.
I really cant express enough how excited i am by this.
Someone else posted that what if people just stayed in station using the dojo all the time instead actually 'playing' eve.
Of course people will still play the game. Use the space, go on roams, find the kills. Theres also always going to be pos' and poco's to bash and fights to be had out of it. Hi sec war decs, low sec FW, Null SOV and of course bitter vets who dont like change.
Dont worry, I dont think this will break eve.
This will make it even more ******* awesome.
One problem tho if it does get really popular. is like when u have to form up quickly to save some 'assets' becuase someone is attacking something or other. Sometimes u need to form u fast and if poepl are stuck in the instance they wont be forming up fast. So there should be an option to quit the dojo at any time.
Flame all u want this dojo idea is aweome!
well said. |

TheExtruder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:37:21 -
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i am sure i am not the only one who has been actively trying to organize 5v5 or 10v10 tournaments. eve mechanics sadly make it very hard for us because people always choose a safer and more "isk reliable path in the game" rather than wasting time on a gamble and tournaments where loss of money is possibility not to mention being griefed by gankers. So i think its a brilliant idea that the host/owner of the dojo pays for all the ships rather than having to communicate back and forth forever about what ships and fits to bring to peole that are not very motivated to participate (probably because they are uncertain about what the match will look like) |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.10 15:27:02 -
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i was trying to do some arranged 5v5 this weekend in RvB but people seem to prefer their own ships, fits and schemes. and they seem to prefer to have a fight the normal way, probably because they are uncertain of how it will look like to fight in other peoples ship setups (even if they were provided to them for free, which is what i was offering this weekend but i couldnt show the ships to them and i had no way of sharing my vision of how the fight might look like in all its glory)
Would it be possible to get a prefitted ship from the dojo and then be able to switch around certain midslot modules for example, maybe the host of the dojo can make it so that certain midslot items can be switched around for example.
I think the core of what a dojo will do is it will give people "an overview" of how all the ship fittings will clash with each other (its a way for the host of the dojo to share his vision of what he thinks would be an epic fight) and I think people should be able to represent their corp in terms of kill stats and success rate in dojos (statistics). Give pilots a "cause to fight for" by getting killmails and freedom to add to the amount of kills that has happened for that specific cause, it can be political, it can be a charity, it can be a commercial, it can be a recruitment campaign etc. random people can join in as independant mercenaries fighting for whatever cause they enjoy supporting and their way of backing it up is (not through the traditional way of joining a corp) but rather through joining an event as an independant individual. Like in real life people enjoy the "event platform" and they join events probably because they have some kind of motive or drive behind it, in eve that drive would translate to getting kills and money. |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:18:11 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:With any luck Dojos will all die in a fire.
what it takes you to rally a fleet will take a dojo twice as fast to get the job done. nothing wrong with a little efficiency. we have enough corporations, world is not gonna end if those few people in power of those mega corporations/alliances get a few less fleets happening, let their territory burn to the ground for all i care |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 09:51:34 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:i think this should should be rented from concord so corps and alliances can have theire small tournaments.
but the structure should be baned in hi sec space.
it would be super cool to have it, but it should not interfere with normal pvp in any way.
Make it like special tournamet only thing.
200 mil per 24h can not be used in Hi sec space
dont think i have heard worse argument ever. and why is highsec of all places so precious to you in terms of banning pvp there? |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 12:57:47 -
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problem with organizeing tournaments is that it requires organizers. it would be a BIG mistake from ccp if they relied on "real life talented organizers" to provide this type of pvp content (i say this type because its an arranged fight, a fair fight).
im a fairly talented organizer in real life and in game, i have a few channels in-game that i run, and i regularly try to organize fair fights and tournaments, but 90% of the time it never happens. Organizers like myself would much appreciate this mechanic because it can be used as a tool for me to communicate to the people what i would like the fight to look like, when you can share your vision in a practical way things will move very quickly toward becoming a reality, and in the end thats what we want MORE QUICK WAYS FOR ACTION TO HAPPEN |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:34:40 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:TheExtruder wrote:Evora Pirkibo wrote:Eve's sandbox is where the kids can play with their toys, and other kids can come kick sand in your face, stomp all over your toys, and perhaps ransom the bits back to you. Or just laugh in your face.
There are much better means of driving conflict and content into low/null. i guess a higher evolved sandbox would be more like what we have in real life society, where people cant necessarily have an easy time to "stomp all over other peoples toys" because then they would get into trouble and the whole thing wouldnt be worth it to begin with You do understand that this kind of thinking is the reason why criminals exist in real life? We're playing in a sandbox with a set of rules which apply to everyone, none of the rules are preventative in ship-to-ship interaction. Concord is there to punish, not to prevent. If you create an area of space which prevents any unsolicited PvP interaction, then you explicitly create an environment where more and more rules and regulations will be called for to protect those who just want to fly their pink unicorns in the pretty skies. Games with dojo-like mechanics already exist and they have their crowd, that crowd is not compatible with the crowd in New Eden.
If you were refering to my old response to somebody then i didnt understand a word of what you said in terms of how it relates to my post. Also a lot of the things you said i strongly disagree with such as "they have their own crowd, and that crowd is not competitive with new eden". |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:03:39 -
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i wanted to share my latest scheme for a tournament that i wanted to arrange but it never happend, the main reason is its not the best idea out there and its a little weird for most people who dont recognize the type of rules, second reason was i am to busy in real life to bother getting people to join this, third reason is people often feel a strong disbelief that others will show up to this party (its like an empty party room, which is kindof depressing to hang around in that room waiting for others to join, so people abandon the idea of participating right away becuase they dont want to commit to anything which takes time to build up, especially if the person who is asking them to build something is somebody they dont know very well)...
Nexus Wars
Tournament style arena. Each team decides in advance on a mixed bag of ships (what ship sizes etc). The twist is that the FC can only send 1 ship every 1 minute into the arena, it is up to the FC to decide in which order to send out his ships into the arena. The fight in the arena can quickly escalate into a large fight, The goal is to survive long enough until proper reinforcements arrive for your team to have the upper hand.
Bring your own ships Faction ships allowed tech2 fitting allowed Max 2 cruiser logis per team allowed in the arena, or max 4 frig logis allowed in the arena. Fight at Otela 200km undock
Ship doctrines: mixed bag 1 Tristan position filled Bantam position filled Incursus Thrasher etc.
mixed bag 2 Tristan Bantam position filled Incursus Thrasher position filled etc.
anyways, fingers crossed ccp, you are not far away from realizing this long awaited dream mechanic |

TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:22:20 -
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i wrote this in some other thread, and thought it was a good point to make:
trying to get somebody to participate in your tournament is like trying to get a woman to agree to follow you, you should never put anyone in a position of having to "think", they should feel relaxed following your leadership and enjoy the carefree ride where they feel safe that the other will take care of the details, its like turning off your mind for a few minutes while you put trust in the other. Having predetermined fitting is partly what allows you to "trust" |

TheExtruder
Internet Spaceship Business
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Posted - 2014.12.29 14:28:27 -
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i wrote this in general discussion "corp little things thread"
"live recruitment events in-game" which are done locally by corporations. During these events pilots should feel safe and guarded by concord or be protected against sneaky pvp mechanics that can be abused by pirates. Perhaps Dojos can be used for this since they provide a sort of arena where you can hang out with the people you are considering joining. To me a live event would probably include: having the opportunity to show off your ship and fit, get the opportunity to follow an FC's decision making during a live exercise, enjoy the level of detail and effort the recruiters have put in into their recruitment event... etc.
I think its important that a dojo can be used as an "event" and a hangout (an event platform). One shouldnt necessarily have to be in a rush, maybe its a good idea to make it possible to stay in a dojo for longer than 1 hour or more depending on who the guest is and if you intend to recruit people |
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