is this really the crowd you think should be rewarded?, do you really think sugar coated bullshit pvp is going to add anything to the sandbox?

So long as it stays on the test server I don't mind. Keep it off tranq though, arenas always kill PvP outside of them in every game they are added to.

I have had this move pulled on me before and it was disastrous to that game. I do not want the same to happen here.

adding instances is not a sandbox, that is a theme park.

In every single game that has added arenas the PvP in all other areas was sucked into them. The more more that join the arenas the fewer targets there are to hunt so more people join the arenas and we end up with a runaway effect untill we have everyone in arenas. This has happened in every single game that has added them and will happen in this one too. FW will die, RvB will die and null will also be impacted.

This is a terrible thing to have on Tranq and always will be. This thing is as Un-EVE as it gets and is utterly incompatible with EVE core gameplay. It will not add more players to the game and the same people who get bored with hunting for targets will get bored with arenas after the same length of time.

baltec could give you his API if he wanted, but you cannot allow him to gank you inside dojo.
Do you see a difference? One is a player choice to do something or not, another is invisible wall of themepark mechanics.

So its not sandbox then is it?

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

You keep on going on about how we shouldn't stop you from doing what you want in the sandbox yet you seem fine with removing our sandbox.

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

They would be on the main server.

In every single game that has added arenas the PvP in all other areas was sucked into them. The more more that join the arenas the fewer targets there are to hunt so more people join the arenas and we end up with a runaway effect untill we have everyone in arenas. This has happened in every single game that has added them and will happen in this one too. FW will die, RvB will die and null will also be impacted.

This is a terrible thing to have on Tranq and always will be. This thing is as Un-EVE as it gets and is utterly incompatible with EVE core gameplay. It will not add more players to the game and the same people who get bored with hunting for targets will get bored with arenas after the same length of time.

Its not a sandbox element if it is an instance.

I have just as much right to gank you as you have to go do a 1v1.

It will die just like the PvP in all of those other games did.

This arena would not let us enter it. So yes, it stops our sandbox.

I'm still curious as to why the irrelevant AT and other similar events keep getting brought up.

Point remains, you are stopping me from entering the arena to kill you, this goes against the sandbox.

1. yes you can

2. AT has nothing at all to do with what happens on tranq

3. what has this to do with anything?

Point remains, you are stopping me from entering the arena to kill you, this goes against the sandbox.

Guild Wars 2 also never had open world PvP. Both sPvP and WvW are separate game modes that one must elect to enter into.

All of those tools help you, they do not block people from attacking you which is what these dojos will do.

Guys? Read the post.


Whoever is deploying this dojo has to shove ships and modules into it. Somebody has to buy or manufacture those ships and modules. The minerals and moon goo to make those ships and modules must come from player activity. All this is is a way for one player to subsidize another player's PvP.

Dojos on Duality might have stuff automatically spawned into them but only because it's Duality. CCP Veritas is not proposing that Dojos on Tranquility will have free stuff spawned into them by CCP. Additionally, Veritas explicitly states "Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself", implying that the dojo can be attacked. It's only the deadspace matches that cannot be interfered with.

Nobody is proposing bringing Simulator Mode to Tranquility; Simulator Mode is already provided by Singularity and Duality.

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Now, the only concern I have is that if this is deployed to Tranquility, then this can be used as a method to leave a station that is currently camped. You can get your pod and implants out into space, bypassing the station camp, or get a force of pilots out into space and then warp to the station camp and optimals, rather than be forced to either use instant undock bookmarks (or in the case of bubbles, be forced to fight on the station undock spawn point).

The instant gratification mob are by far the worst crowd to cater to, soon after adding 1v1s they will demand 10v10s. Before long we will find PvP rank systems and then all PvP will happen in the arenas. It has happened time after time after time in the exact same way to every single game that added arenas. We joined EVE because it is not like all of those countless other games.

All of those tools help you, they do not block people from attacking you which is what these dojos will do.

All we ask is to be allowed to backstab you.

Storing gank ships inside them to use when people are camping the station.

Placing a booster alt inside one.

Its a deadspace so given enough time you can slowburn a rattle into it, have it cloak and then farm frigates. New players will enter them and get wiped out, turning them into effectively a farm for killmails.

All we ask is to be allowed to backstab you.

Again you use that word while demonstrating a lack of it.

If you want instanced arenas why don't you play one of the many many games that has them? Why force them into the one game that doesn't cater to them?

If they add them to tranq then they will indeed be forced upon me.

If they add them to tranq then they will indeed be forced upon me.

I wonder, why are you even here?

You want to change everything about EVE to be just like every other game out there. Why beg and plead to change EVE rather than play those games?

You still need that risk otherwise its just going to suck in all of the 1v1 frigate fights.

Which means I am correct in saying it will kill pvp outside of it. That isn't good for EVE.

Marauder coming out of bastion that needs a safe spot before it docks.

Okay, you lost me on this one... I'm probably being dense.

Currently it's frigates only, it takes two people to enter that match (although you "could" start a match with an alt)... but if you're able to fly to the arena you aren't in Bastion Mode anyway.

You can't warp back to the same spot (or warp to a friend engaged in a match) without ending up at the station while the match is ongoing... and I'm not sure why a safespot in that spot would be any different that a safespot anywhere else?

Does it?

The issue is that most people looking for 1v1s will just use these things rather than going out roaming and PvP in the wider world will be greatly harmed.

As a tool for teaching and running events I like it, it just needs to lose the no messing around with fights mechanic.

Please do, if its static then I can get in, if it swaps around then we can at least remove two underhand uses of it.

That is the most important lesson in EVE by far. You don't need to be impossible to scan in order to teach people how to fight.

Thank you.

Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?

can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?

My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft Volvos

Two pods enter, one pod leaves..

Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch.

Which means I am correct in saying it will kill pvp outside of it. That isn't good for EVE.

Dear Bamboozled, you might try to respect the fact that many of the folk posting in this thread simply do not like the idea of special snowflakepvp arenas on TQ.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but simply spamming this thread is not best way to support your support for special snow flake pvp arenas.

Keep them on SiSi or a new special snow flake pvp arena server and all will be fine.

AT is not part of the sandbox, they are a stand alone event hosted by CCP in space we have no access to using tools have had no access to. There has never been any point in the last 14 years in which we have had consensual PvP on Tranq. The only people looking for risk free PvP are people who want to lock out everyone else from their honourable PvP 1v1 matches.

Please post the mechanic that is on tranq right now or at any point in the last 14 years that is both available to everyone and stops others from interacting with you while your are in space and in combat with another player.

Please post the mechanic that is on tranq right now or at any point in the last 14 years that is both available to everyone and stops others from interacting with you while your are in space and in combat with another player.

Yea you did no such thing and throwing around phases such as "logical fallacies" does nothing to back up your argument. Its a very simple questions that is easily answered, the fact that you cannot just shows that you are just wasting everyone's time.

Factual data that disprove your post : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/caldari-championships-the-first-day/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLsZPl9lYIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5yIRU7-794

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4057108

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=373886

And more...

The first link was to an event I believe was run by CCP in space was cannot access, inwhich case they teleported people there. These things are not available to anyone other than CCP. If not then it took place in space in which I could have attacked them at any point.

The other links all involve areas in which I can interact with them against their will while they PvP. You have provided no evidence to back up your claim.

This seems to be a case of either you trolling or you not understanding what others are sying.

When we talk about consensual PvP we are not talking about what two people decide we are talking about the the whole game. Consensual PvP is when there are mechanics in place that stops others from interacting with you while you run your 1v1. EVE has never has such a mechanic in it before and it is this mechanic that people are against. We don't care if you want to organise a 1v1 with someone we just care about a mechanic being put in place that stops us from interacting with you while you are doing it.

The real irony here is having you demand a sandbox then in the next sentence demand that everyone elses sandbox be take away.

Also please stop telling both lies and trying to compare totally different things to each other. There has never been a mechanic in place that forces "fair" fights in EVE.

everything you want this for can be satisfied by a non-TQ server.

back pedaling is all yours

'of course it won't teach you metagame stuff like "hey this is PL in local they might hotdrop/blob you or hey this solar system is always camped by x pirates, etc"

this kind of 'meta-game' awareness or the ability to form and fund larger fleets are much more likely to allow you to succeed in eve than actual pilot skill. thats what i was saying all along.

if you dont like the riot analogy, change it to a street fight. if all you know is fair fights, set numbers and rules, you arent much cop when anyone can bring any number of weapons and friends to a fight or you can be interrupted at anytime by a third party.

AT is not part of the sandbox, they are a stand alone event hosted by CCP in space we have no access to using tools have had no access to. There has never been any point in the last 14 years in which we have had consensual PvP on Tranq. The only people looking for risk free PvP are people who want to lock out everyone else from their honourable PvP 1v1 matches.

No it is an exact fact.

...and i believe it undermines the effort that those of us who have learned the hard way had to put in.

It will block others from attacking your ship in space, that's removing content.

Notice that the only people wanting to get rid of another persons playstyle are the people who are defending a mechanic that stops others from interacting with you in this 1v1 arena.

Notice that the only people wanting to get rid of another persons playstyle are the people who are defending a mechanic that stops others from interacting with you in this 1v1 arena.

Doesn't change the fact that AT is not comparable to what happens in game as it happens in jove space and uses tools nobody has ever had access to. Please stop trying to use this lie.

We have never in the last 14 years had any mechanic in place to would stop me from attacking people partaking in a 1v1.