*reads the various replies...

CCP knows what they are doing - just ask them.

Damn... what made you think that five days was going to be enough to talk about these proposed changes?

What do you care about naming conventions? You never see them.

Your ships are fit for you (you never see the modules)

You undock when you are told (you don't know what ship you are in)

you press F1 when you are instructed ( you don't know what you are firing)

In short, you are bad at this game and we all discount what you and your ilk write out of hand.

Even your tear collecting jar is a hand me down from a comrade who moved on

Anyone have any idea if CCP is going to compensate for the loss of invention chance for those of us that use high mets items (meta 2 and 3) in invention? The increase in chance of success is not negligible with the use of meta items, and it seems just another kick to the crotch of Industry if meta 2-4 is going to be vanishing.

Thanks.

Edit: just came across this: New Formula? I'll have to run the math on this...

I agree with this rant.

But I strongly suspect that CCP's unstated reason for the great module renaming is not intended to dumb-down the game, but is actually been done to make the localisation to other languages easier (and cheaper).

It's a lot easier to translate "limited" into French (or any given %language% ), and use that for all modules, than to get a meaningful translation of "Y-S8 HYDROCARBON" (and all the other module specific flavour-names.)

Two questions:

1. Where exactly is the logic in Meta 5, 6, etc. if there is no Meta 2, 3 and 4?

2. Until now, when newbies have asked what to do with all their unwanted loot, the answer has generally been "sell Meta 4 and above, reprocess everything else" - so what will be the advice now?

After reading this I want a Y-S8 kohlenwasserstoff Afterburner

Well spotted, this should actually be -25% (which is what you'll see on Sisi just now). We'll get that changed in the blog.

Would this not work better?

Co-Processor Of the Tiger
Co-Processor Of the Bear
Co-Processor Of the Gorilla
Co-Processor Of the Boar
Co-Processor Of the Monkey
Co-Processor Of the Falcon
Co-Processor Of the Wolf
Co-Processor Of the Tiger
Co-Processor Of the Eagle
Co-Processor Of the Whale
Co-Processor Of the Owl

Looks like all 16 pages have been in vain. The fact that there are no blue dev posts other than on the first page coupled with the next patch being released tomorrow reinforces that fact. Looks like the new names are soon to be in. It is a really sad day in Eve

On a side note, I have been playing around with new pvp Helios.. err.. i mean "Frigate of the Bear" fit and want your opinion.
Friagte of the Bear
Damage Control of the Bear
Magnetic Field Stabilizer of the Bear
Micro Auxiliary Power Core of the Bear

Warp Scrambler of the Bear
Tracking Disruptor of the Bear
1MN Afterburner of the Bear

150mm Railgun of the Bear
150mm Railgun of the Bear

Small Auxiliary Thrusters of the Bear
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator of the Bear

Small Drone of the Bear


Let me know what you guys think.

Hi!

I would like to bring your attention to the relevant discussions thread in GD, here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=375576&find=unread


A lot of people are not happy with this absolutely crappy idea of yours that will remove
so much depth from the game!


Let me tell you WHY it's a crappy idea, okay?


Back in 2009 when I started playing this game,
my favourite ship was a 10mn AfterBurner Rifter, sporting 250mm Artillery!

Yes, you read that right!


And I loved it! It felt like a freaking muscle car!
Any you wanna know WHY it felt like a muscle car?

Because it had a Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburner!

A Y-S8 HYDROCARBON AFTERBURNER!


Can you imagine how I would have felt fitting a LIMITED 10MN AFTERBURNER onto it?

Is the difference really not that obvious for you?


Why don't we rename all our ships too, when we're at it?
Who needs names anyway, right?

Minmatar Attack Frigate.
Minmatar Combat Frigate.
Minmatar Logistics Frigate.

Why have names like Rifter, Slasher, Breacher, etc ??
What's the point?

If people can just search for "frigate" they get them all listed, right?


Why do you have to make it so hard for people to find ships? How can you expect that
they freaking remember all these names, right?


Yes, I am pissed about how you are ruining the game form the inside,
turning it into a bland, empty, depthless game nobody will care about,
because you remove any emotional value and connection to it!


I idiot stayed silent the last time you did it,
but i will NOT make the same freaking mistake again!


MY rifter felt like a musclecar!

YOUR rifter feels like a worthless piece of crap!

Looks like all 16 pages have been in vain. The fact that there are no blue dev posts other than on the first page coupled with the next patch being released tomorrow reinforces that fact. Looks like the new names are soon to be in. It is a really sad day in Eve

On a side note, I have been playing around with new pvp Helios.. err.. i mean "Frigate of the Bear" fit and want your opinion.
Friagte of the Bear
Damage Control of the Bear
Magnetic Field Stabilizer of the Bear
Micro Auxiliary Power Core of the Bear

Warp Scrambler of the Bear
Tracking Disruptor of the Bear
1MN Afterburner of the Bear

150mm Railgun of the Bear
150mm Railgun of the Bear

Small Auxiliary Thrusters of the Bear
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator of the Bear

Small Drone of the Bear


Let me know what you guys think.

Its good that ccp are finally making the effort to clean up the state of the modules.
A number of issues with their approach (and possible solutions) have been raised and described quite eloquently in the comments above, I won't dwell on those other than I do agree with the general discussion so far.

Instead, i wish to discuss two other issues that have been lightly touched on:
A) user-manufactured T1 modules are basically useless/valueless compared to higher metas, and will become even more-so.
B) if all rat-dropped modules are now to be "useful", the rarity and therefore value of them will go through the floor.

Friagte of the Bear
Damage Control of the Bear
Magnetic Field Stabilizer of the Bear
Micro Auxiliary Power Core of the Bear

Warp Scrambler of the Bear
Tracking Disruptor of the Bear
1MN Afterburner of the Bear

150mm Railgun of the Bear
150mm Railgun of the Bear

Small Auxiliary Thrusters of the Bear
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator of the Bear

Small Drone of the Bear

What do you care about naming conventions? You never see them.

Your ships are fit for you (you never see the modules)

You undock when you are told (you don't know what ship you are in)

you press F1 when you are instructed ( you don't know what you are firing)

In short, you are bad at this game and we all discount what you and your ilk write out of hand.

Even your tear collecting jar is a hand me down from a comrade who moved on

Hey guys. Thanks for the feedback so far.

We're doing some discussion internally about the concerns some people have expressed about the naming.
I will say that we absolutely reject any argument that attempts to claim that obscure name memorization should somehow be a requirement to play EVE. It's not "dumbing down the game" to make systems more easily understandable.
However some of the concerns about the lore and flavour have merit and we're talking about what we might change to better address those concerns. Nothing related to this will be changing for Oceanus, but everything can be iterated upon.

Also, if you've read the patch notes or dev blog today you'll have seen that we made an adjustment to the Restrained Cap Flux Coil stats. We had some wires crossed internally and thanks to your feedback we've cleared up the erroneous stats. The Restrained Cap Flux Coil will indeed have reduced drawback instead of increased drawback. It will have a capacitor pool penalty of -10% and a recharge speed bonus of 28%.

Thanks.

Fozzie,

I agree that obscure naming is a red herring argument and, sadly, it may drown out a different, possibly more fruitful line of exploration. As best I can see, this first pass module rebalancing does nothing to make fitting player produced tech 1 (meta 0) modules sensible in any case since even the compact versions not only use less resources (powergrid/cpu etc.) but also produce better results (rate of fire/powergrid increase, ect.).

This, of course, matches the current situation where generally the player manufactured tech one (meta 0) is the worst of all possible options including from a cost perspective (low meta being so numerous and reprocessing so poorly, it generally sells on the market for less than the meta 0 option).

Will drop rates be adjusted to make named modules rare enough to be more valuable/expensive than player produced meta 0 modules or is the thinking that Tech II manufacturing provides sufficient demand for player produced meta 0 modules and thus thereGÇÖs no need to create even more demand for them by making them sensible options in their own right?

DireNecessity

Hey guys. Thanks for the feedback so far.

Talking about names.

Also, if you've read the patch notes or dev blog today you'll have seen that we made an adjustment to the Restrained Cap Flux Coil stats. We had some wires crossed internally and thanks to your feedback we've cleared up the erroneous stats. The Restrained Cap Flux Coil will indeed have reduced drawback instead of increased drawback. It will have a capacitor pool penalty of -10% and a recharge speed bonus of 28%.

Thanks.

Hey guys. Thanks for the feedback so far.

We're doing some discussion internally about the concerns some people have expressed about the naming.
I will say that we absolutely reject any argument that attempts to claim that obscure name memorization should somehow be a requirement to play EVE. It's not "dumbing down the game" to make systems more easily understandable.
However some of the concerns about the lore and flavour have merit and we're talking about what we might change to better address those concerns. Nothing related to this will be changing for Oceanus, but everything can be iterated upon.

Also, if you've read the patch notes or dev blog today you'll have seen that we made an adjustment to the Restrained Cap Flux Coil stats. We had some wires crossed internally and thanks to your feedback we've cleared up the erroneous stats. The Restrained Cap Flux Coil will indeed have reduced drawback instead of increased drawback. It will have a capacitor pool penalty of -10% and a recharge speed bonus of 28%.

Thanks.

Hey guys. Thanks for the feedback so far.

We're doing some discussion internally about the concerns some people have expressed about the naming.
I will say that we absolutely reject any argument that attempts to claim that obscure name memorization should somehow be a requirement to play EVE. It's not "dumbing down the game" to make systems more easily understandable.
However some of the concerns about the lore and flavour have merit and we're talking about what we might change to better address those concerns. Nothing related to this will be changing for Oceanus, but everything can be iterated upon.

Also, if you've read the patch notes or dev blog today you'll have seen that we made an adjustment to the Restrained Cap Flux Coil stats. We had some wires crossed internally and thanks to your feedback we've cleared up the erroneous stats. The Restrained Cap Flux Coil will indeed have reduced drawback instead of increased drawback. It will have a capacitor pool penalty of -10% and a recharge speed bonus of 28%.

Thanks.

Hey guys. Thanks for the feedback so far.

We're doing some discussion internally about the concerns some people have expressed about the naming.
I will say that we absolutely reject any argument that attempts to claim that obscure name memorization should somehow be a requirement to play EVE. It's not "dumbing down the game" to make systems more easily understandable.
However some of the concerns about the lore and flavour have merit and we're talking about what we might change to better address those concerns. Nothing related to this will be changing for Oceanus, but everything can be iterated upon.