Lets see what problems we face:

1. tidi, crashes, servers have limits.
2. lack of fights between big alliances due to above.

3. no way for smaller aliances to play sov.

4. lack of new players (with sp to go against established coalitions).

1 and 2 can only be fixed by limiting players in fights - it is limited by tidi and upper server limit already but this limit is broken. There is need to limit this or no good fights will happen. ccp should stop this they talk about our 4000 ppl fight in news - if they knew how it looks they would laugh.

3. smaller aliances may not need sov but you can incorporate them as 3rd party that benefit from sov. They can fight one or other or both sides.

4. fix the game maybe more players will come.

We have winners of sov - create 2/4 factions - not npc factions like in faction warfare. Give coalitions faction status in game that can not be eradicated completly. Allow ppl to join them or act as 3rd party. Make them or allow them to fight - no stupid grinding of structures.

I have not deleted any of Mr Epeen's posts for a change.

Thread re-opened.

Although not as convenient as current travel, with NPC stations sprinkled liberally through deep null, and jump clones, large alliance fleets could cross the map instantly once a day. The Supers can't follow, but, it would be a powerful force nonetheless. "Dock up ye locals, the Sheriff's come to town!"

TY ISD for cleaning up the thread.


Dear Community,


Look we all love to shovel dung on each other and S*** up threads. Take a step back from the names or parties endorsing this idea and actually consider the merits of it. I know it is easy to jump to conclusions that X , Y & Z are trying to manipulate things to a advantage . However , I and most of the people who are party to this "Statement" are veteran players. We sincerely enjoy this game. We want to see it live on and thrive. Because it has to for everyone to continue to enjoy it. Throughout the history of this game people have gamed the mechanics of the Eve Sandbox squeezing whatever advantages they can. I have done this and will continue to do this. What we are saying in Unison " Hey changes are needed not so much for our benefit but for everyones benefit". So I try to appeal to you gentle community member , bro of bro who might be a Grrr Space Enemy cast aside differences for the moment and join in unison in pushing forward the unified consensus that we as players want change.

GÖÑManny

A lot of the vitriol is deserved. Most of us have been pulled through the forum ringer at one time or another. Me more than most. Between Ocih, Skydell, Ioci and Sisohiv I have had my foot in my mouth a few times and I've seen a lot of mud in the pits of EVE-O.

My standing issue here is the idea that CCP need to fix this game for us when we are the problem and in the sandbox mantra, we are the solution.

99% of the game breaking aspect of SOV are player driven, NBSI. We can have our Area 51 systems but not all sov needs to be so unwelcoming and the scam central themes make any 'fee' or 'rent' a suckers game. I say that if we want CCP to 'Fix' EVE we try first. NBSI is paranoia and it does far more to keep Null dead than anything CCP do or don't do.

NBSI is not the problem, otherwise it wouldn't have worked for 10 years.

If it's working, why the petition?

Ahh, occupancy SOV.

Instead of SBU/TCU grind, just place few cloaked cyno ceptors/tech3s in system, and mercilessly hotdrop all ratters, denying the occupancy ratting. Then come with 50+ carriers/titans/tech3s fleet, do few plexes, flip sov, camp undock. Profit?

The Future of SOV Wars...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the logic behind these changes seems to be: Condense existing coalitions into handful of systems---> provide room for new sov entities to exist.

There's nothing wrong with this, it will probably work. However, new entities have entered sov within the last 6 months: just look at Hero. And then Hero, to their dissatisfaction, was put on farm by N3PL. Being put on farm is an integral part of the stagnation that we all oppose.

My question is this: How will the new system be any different in this regard? Will N3PL stop farming hero for whatever reason? And if that situation doesn't change, how will the end result of the new sov system be any different then the current stagnation?

Unless you honestly believe that rules of engagement were the deciding factor in the fact that two coalitions own basically all of nullsec

Can you expand on your ideas with anecdotes from your storied history of leading coalitions in wars contesting sovereignty?

NBSI isn't about the rules of engagement, it's about the rules of peace. NBSI does 'work'. It creates a theater of 0 hostility. It eliminates all option for wide scale threat. It creates blue donuts.

Of course that's a double edged sword. We now have a passive null sec and that seems to be the complaint. Sorry, I won't support change in EVE when the people crying for change won't? Change.

:tldr You got what you wanted. Now rot in it. Or change.

no. the big will always prey on the small. no change in mechanics or anything is going to stop that.

Anom income caps out at 90 mil/hr per person.
High sec level 4 mission blitzing nets 110mil/hr+ per person.

Wrong. Anoms are 90 mil/hr per pilot

Let me put it another way: You're bored shitless right now because 90% of nullsec refuses to shoot each other. That same 90% of nullsec (coalitions and renters) will still refuse to shoot each other after the proposed changes. You'll still be bored shitless.

The short version: nullsec alliances will condense to constellations and rat there in capitals in complete safety as no pirate gang could break their spider-tank. The nearest competent enemy would be 5 regions away, separated by huge buffer zone of terribads who can be farmed for laughs. There won't be a single war or even major battle in Nullsec.

"With current incentives" meaning nothing changed just the map layout, yes. And I'm assuming you play to win as well? will we see you in CFC some time soon? Most likely not. For whatever reason you and your alliance decided to literally do the opposite of 'join the two largest coalitions so that they too can "win" by being big'. Winning for some people isn't just being part of the biggest bloc in the game.

"complete safety"
"spider-tanking ratting carriers"
"everybody who isn't goons or N3 is terribad"

I get that right?

I get bored shitless when 3 hours of fighting is stretched to a period of 23 hours to be honest. If we just started shooting each other tomorrow, this is literally what we'd be stuck with.