Look at the underlined. Look at how it's an attack on real people.

It's not an attack. That's a statement of fact, anyone who thinks that videogame actions justify real life threats probably has sediment between their chin and their hair.

Nor is it an attack on "real people". I am characterizing them entirely by their expressed beliefs, and by their actions taken in a videogame.

There are a few ways to make it work. First off, you need to be using the right ship with the right fit. People like to fly around in Talwars and Thrashers for their suicide ganks. Which is fine, but a Catalyst is cheaper. Another thing I've seen a lot of new gankers try is fitting T2 stuff. If you're guaranteed a ship loss, why waste the money on T2 mods? A meta4 fit catalyst (fits can vary a bit) with the right skills and implants can take down a fairly well tanked Hulk before the Concordoken. All together, I usually never spent more than 3.5mil on my Cat fits. The implants can be pricy depending on where you buy them, but you can avoid having to replace implants by warping to a safe spot immediately after the Concordoken, then dock up as soon as is safely possible (I use the term "safe" relatively, of course).

Secondly, when you loot the wreck in your alt, you want to be looking for something specific. For me, it was the strip miners (especially the T2s). Skiffs and Procurers aren't the best targets because they only have one high slot, so unless they have strip miners in their hold (which is unlikely) you're only going to get one strip miner from them. That's assuming the strip miner drops, of course. Then what you do is sell the strip miners BACK to the miners on the market at an elevated price. It's important that you at least sell them in the same region that you ganked them. No point in selling to miners who you aren't ganking. Naturally, the requires you to gank a LOT. Ganking with a pirate corp will help a lot, too. The more people there are ganking strips, the higher demand there will be for strips. The higher the demand for strips, the more you can inflate the price.

Sorry if this isn't the algebraic answer you were looking for, but that's basically how it works. Basically, you're stealing a ~3.6mil (Hek prices) lolly-pop from a toddler and selling it back to them for 4 or 5 mil (or what ever you've managed to elevate the price to). Considering the meta4 Cat only costs a total of ~3.5mil, you're making a decent amount more than you're losing. Even if you only manage to sell one strip miner for the normal price of ~3.6mil, you're still making more than enough to replace your loss. I hope this helps you to understand the profitability of suicide/hisec ganking. It isn't exactly the most lucrative profession (especially when the miners catch on and won't come out to play for a few days), but it gets the job done.

Wrong equation. That's the industry one.

The ganking one is destruction + tears = joy

Mr Epeen

This is genius. Perhaps we could consider the cost of ganking a pod with no implants a price worth paying for the good ones to be found?

were that true there would be a lot more ganking going on. Last time I was in a mission hub it was just overflowing with people running missions. pretty sure most gankers care about making isk.

I'm assuming you're referring to the large drop in sec status for popping a pod. It really isn't a bad price to pay at all. Indeed, negative sec status does become a bit of a nuisance. It can be worked around, though. Provided you are fast and accurate enough. If it becomes too bothersome, you can always farm rat tags and turn them in at a CONCORD station. It's a bit of a grind, but it's a good way to pass the time if your targets have become particularly mindful of your presence. When they start hiding from you, disappear into lowsec for a while to collect tags. Turn the tags in for sec status increase, then go back to your hunting grounds. By that time, your targets will be nice and complacent again. Might even have a few new faces eager to meet their demise. :)

Well, that's the most clueless thing said in the thread so far.

If gankers were in it for the money, mission hubs are exactly where they'd be plying their craft. But are they going after those juicy, blinged out, multi-billion ISK piggy banks? Of course not.

They're ganking untanked miners and empty haulers. For every decent gank you link, I'll link a hundred that were completely valueless.

It's for the tears, dude. No more. No less. And there's nothing wrong in admitting it. Don't be ashamed. Be proud. It's a perfectly valid game mechanic.

Mr Epeen

Oh no lol I forgot about sec status. But you can pop pods as an outlaw anyway, even in 1.0 systems

Yeah I was referring to the cost of the gank thrasher. Bout 1.2 mil lol.

Wow. Since when is a Thrasher cheaper than a Catalyst? lol. I've been out of game too long...

Profitablitiy.
It doesn't really matter to me.

What matters is to kill them out of the blue ..............

So you would gank empty shuttles just because?

So you would gank empty shuttles just because?

So you would gank empty shuttles just because?

No. I do not do things "just because".
I never have and the universe does not work that way anyway.
There is not a single being in existence that does things "just because".

"Just because" usually either means that someone does not want to bother telling the reason,
does not want to tell the reason or does not know the reason.

Causality......... it's weird, right?


"Out of the blue" means that I engaged "by surprise" or "without them seeing it coming".

So what do you get out of popping an empty shuttle?

So what do you get out of popping an empty shuttle?

So what do you get out of popping an empty shuttle?

So what do you get out of popping an empty shuttle?

I have many times. So what?

I do not get anything out of it personally.
The answer to your question lies in March 2012, in Hek.
It was a means to an end, which I managed to achieve. (I apologise if that's not the proper saying)


If you noticed ... or, actually, even CARED to notice ...
... I do not share the attitude or even gameplay of absolutely most other gankers.

No hiding behind excuses.

Having a little bit of creative fun is hiding behind excuses?