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Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:13:00 - [31] Here's their top ten: 1. Oblivion 2. Half-Life 2 (+ ep2) 3. Deus Ex 4. BF2 5. WoW 6. Civilization IV 7. Rome: Total War 8. Thief: Deadly Shadows 9. GTA: San Andreas 10. The Sims 2 nuff said
Caol	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant #1 was Oblivion. At least Eve went up a few places and WoW dropped a few... As said previously, this is a good game but #1...kinda puts the whole 100 in perspective. IGN have another top 100 (which Eve isn't in ) but includes games that are, in my opinion, the shoulders todays giant games stand on.
Ilea Celentay Concealed Judgement	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/08/2006 14:56:36 Originally by: Aodha Khan Originally by: Brutor Shaun World of Warcraft? A whole page and placed number 5 Unbelievable. There is NOTHING that makes WoW a top 5 MMORPG never mind a top 5 game. World of Warcraft is popular for the same reason N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys went platinum. And please, please don't argue that N'Sync or the Backstreet Boys made good music. /me hides her Backstreet Boys platinum album.... - "We have big plans. Secret plans, but BIG!"
Aodha Khan Minmatar Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:18:00 - [34] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 09/08/2006 16:19:03 Originally by: Stephar Agreed, bashing WoW is getting a little old. They are two completely different games. WoW is the best traditional fantasy MMORPG ever created, manipulating all the old tricks & trades better than any of its predecessors. Its easy to play, highly customizable, and offers content for both hardcore and casual players. This isn't about bashing or comparison. WoW got no.5 in best games of all time. Many find this unbelievable considering it hasn't provided anything new to the MMORPG genre. Ultima Online of 10 years ago had a more advanced gameplay environment than WoW. I have yet to hear anything sustancial stating why WoW is such a good game that it deserves to be ranked no.5. It's basically skilling up by killing the same monsters over and over till lv60 then working for items so you can win at PvP for no reason other than e-peen levels. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Here's their top ten: 1. Oblivion 2. Half-Life 2 (+ ep2) 3. Deus Ex 4. BF2 5. WoW 6. Civilization IV 7. Rome: Total War 8. Thief: Deadly Shadows 9. GTA: San Andreas 10. The Sims 2 Wow that list is BS. It might be slightly more believable if it said "best games of the past few years", but even then it would be quite off. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
arbitrary Bad luck Clover Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/08/2006 14:56:36 Originally by: Aodha Khan Originally by: Brutor Shaun World of Warcraft? A whole page and placed number 5 Unbelievable. There is NOTHING that makes WoW a top 5 MMORPG never mind a top 5 game. World of Warcraft is popular for the same reason N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys went platinum. And please, please don't argue that N'Sync or the Backstreet Boys made good music. Why not? Well I'll give it a try anyway. Those who wrote the music to N'Sync & Backstreet Boys knew what they where doing, or not everyone loves free form jazz or IDM electronica, some want the downgraded versions and that is what Max Martin and the coaltion of boyband/popdiva music producers gave the world, you might hate it like the plauge, but well I know alot that hate it when I play Merzbow, Il Giardino Armonico or Albert Ayler. So WoW is loved by many, they might be ignorant tards in your eyes, but ain't we all in someone eyes? I know my uncle considers me as such, while his son sees me as everything his father aint, in a positive aspect that is (he is revolting though); not to mention all those that are tards in the purest sense in my eyes. In the end though, am I right when I say that my perticulars is the only way to fly, and don't you dare listen to power metal or anything about castles and dragons, oh besides you can not argue about it, all(god, allah, me and I) know that it is so. Or perhaps taste is just an other *** (among many), soak it up rather then try to waste ammunition shooting it down. Though I do agree on one point, that WoW is popular for the same reason N'sync and crew were. ___ Arbi** all I want is for you to smile.
Krayl Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:26:00 - [37] Edited by: Krayl on 09/08/2006 16:29:57 Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Here's their top ten: 1. Oblivion 2. Half-Life 2 (+ ep2) 3. Deus Ex 4. BF2 5. WoW 6. Civilization IV 7. Rome: Total War 8. Thief: Deadly Shadows 9. GTA: San Andreas 10. The Sims 2 nuff said Mostly I find PCG UK to be spot on with their reviews, and I certainly agree that these games are generally well regarded/have large player base. Most older classics tend to fall down the top 100 lists purely on graphics points though, as far as I can see... I think GTA was #1 a year or two back so no surprise it's still in the top ten. But yeah, Oblivion at 1 surprises me a bit. Originally by: Dark Shikari Wow that list is BS. It might be slightly more believable if it said "best games of the past few years", but even then it would be quite off. I personally am of the opinion that games are getting better over time so lists only containing more recent games is actually not that disagreeable. When I go back to an older game, there have been a fair few cases that I find myself complaining at the controls, cringing at graphics and being irriated at mechanics that force you to do three things instead of one.
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Miner Guide to the Galaxy	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Here's their top ten: 1. Oblivion 2. Half-Life 2 (+ ep2) 3. Deus Ex 4. BF2 5. WoW 6. Civilization IV 7. Rome: Total War 8. Thief: Deadly Shadows 9. GTA: San Andreas 10. The Sims 2 Wow that list is BS. It might be slightly more believable if it said "best games of the past few years", but even then it would be quite off. Agreed, Everyone knows that the best game of all time was Tetris! Also liked your list of games eariler DS, but um.... You seem to have missed Master of Orion I and II, III was ok but not the same game and to complex... CEO - MGTTG
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:27:00 - [39] Originally by: arbitrary and don't you dare listen to power metal or anything about castles and dragons What's wrong with power metal? Something better not be wrong with it, it makes up 2/3 of my music collection --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Jobie Thickburger Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Here's their top ten: 1. Oblivion 2. Half-Life 2 (+ ep2) 3. Deus Ex 4. BF2 5. WoW 6. Civilization IV 7. Rome: Total War 8. Thief: Deadly Shadows 9. GTA: San Andreas 10. The Sims 2 Wow that list is BS. It might be slightly more believable if it said "best games of the past few years", but even then it would be quite off. Agreed, Everyone knows that the best game of all time was Tetris! Also liked your list of games eariler DS, but um.... You seem to have missed Master of Orion I and II, III was ok but not the same game and to complex... My list is not a list of really good games, its a list of games that have lasted me a long time. Master of Orion II (the best of them IMO) isn't on the list yet because I only started playing it 4 days ago. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:28:00 - [41] The US edition PCG is truly pathetic compared to the UK vers. Despite the former beautiful full inside back cover ads, eve rarely gets mentioned. I was excited to see the article on Istvaan. but since then eve has not been mentioned in the mag. I'm glad you pulled your advertising from them and went to Computer Gaming, and I hope eve gets more exposure there. And just being on this kind of list kicks ass, congrats CCP.
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Out Of Exile	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 09/08/2006 16:32:43 Originally by: Caol games that are, in my opinion, the shoulders todays giant games stand on. It still doesn't mean that they should appear in a top 10 games ever. Just cos something is classic, or old, doesn't make it any good NOW. They have been superceded. I recently played Tomb Raider again for the first time in ages after thinking it was one of the best games I've ever played. Now I realised that by todays standards it sucks pretty horribly. Half life 1, for example, is a classic game. Compared to Halflife 2 it is pretty pants. Exceptions to this might include FFVII, Supermario World and Zelda. Old biddies who are stuck in the past go on about how good things were in the good old days. I expect more from a bunch of people who are involved in computing or whatever, supposedly at the cutting edge of technology. I don't want another Elite, or another Horace Goes Skiing. I want something that blows them out of the water. Exiles Recruitment
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Originally by: Caol games that are, in my opinion, the shoulders todays giant games stand on. It still doesn't mean that they should appear in a top 10 games ever. Just cos something is classic, or old, doesn't make it any good NOW. They have been superceded. I recently played Tomb Raider again for the first time in ages after thinking it was one of the best games I've ever played. Now I realised that by todays standards it sucks pretty horribly. Half life 1, for example, is a classic game. Compared to Halflife 2 it is pretty pants. Exceptions to this might include FFVII, Supermario World and Zelda. Old biddies who are stuck in the past go on about how good things were in the good old days. I expect more from a bunch of people who are involved in computing or whatever, supposedly at the cutting edge of technology. I don't want another Elite, or another Horace Goes Skiing. I want something that blows them out of the water. Not always true. Alpha Centauri is most definitely superior to Civilization 4 in nearly every way except graphics. And even graphics-wise its pretty nice. Half Life 1 is not "pants" compared to Half Life 2. I played it again recently and thought it was better. The only thing Half Life 2 really has going for it is the gravity gun, physics engine, and graphics. But to say the least, thats a heck of a lot. Half Life 2 could be considered better, but calling Half Life 1 "pants" is just ignorant. Sometimes "classic" games stay the best because no developer has come up with anything better. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Debolika Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Brutor Shaun The UK edition of PC Gamer has released their top 100 gamers ever, and Eve got a whole paragraph and came in at number 30. World of Warcraft? A whole page and placed number 5 Some things are just wrong. The PCG top 100 is one of them. Oh sure, because millions of computer gamers would rather be sitting in front of an asteroid mining rather than tromping through the world of Azeroth killing things... /rolls_eyes As a couple posters above indicated, "Silly Fanbois" WoW is very much a superior game to EVE, in almost every way except for depth... Depth is what makes me pay subscriptions, hence why I am here... It probably makes you fanbois feel pretty secure knowing you can come here to your little cave (forums) and cast down the over 6 million heathens for liking a game in which you feel is inferior, and they as inferior too... So why don't you all grow a pair, suck it up and quit bashing a game that is much more complete, polished and popular than our beloved EVE and just leave it at that... It is like trying to compare Arena football to the NFL... 400x120@24000 bytes Max. -Capsicum
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Debolika Originally by: Brutor Shaun The UK edition of PC Gamer has released their top 100 gamers ever, and Eve got a whole paragraph and came in at number 30. World of Warcraft? A whole page and placed number 5 Some things are just wrong. The PCG top 100 is one of them. Oh sure, because millions of computer gamers would rather be sitting in front of an asteroid mining rather than tromping through the world of Azeroth killing things... /rolls_eyes As a couple posters above indicated, "Silly Fanbois" WoW is very much a superior game to EVE, in almost every way except for depth... Depth is what makes me pay subscriptions, hence why I am here... It probably makes you fanbois feel pretty secure knowing you can come here to your little cave (forums) and cast down the over 6 million heathens for liking a game in which you feel is inferior, and they as inferior too... So why don't you all grow a pair, suck it up and quit bashing a game that is much more complete, polished and popular than our beloved EVE and just leave it at that... It is like trying to compare Arena football to the NFL... If you hate EVE so much, why do you play it? Why do you "mine asteroids in belts" when you could be killing unicorns and fairies in World of Warcraft land? P.S. Do you like N'Sync, Britney Spears, the Backstreet Boys, and Ashlee Simpson? Clearly a hundred million people couldn't be wrong: these groups and singers must be the best of all time! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Caol	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 09/08/2006 16:32:43 Originally by: Caol games that are, in my opinion, the shoulders todays giant games stand on. It still doesn't mean that they should appear in a top 10 games ever. Just cos something is classic, or old, doesn't make it any good NOW. Over a long enough time everything will get a bit jaded, for sure, and every so often something that has been done before but rehashed and presented in a new way will be very popular. What I meant was that the top 100 games should be based on originality, that the concepts first introduced and used to increase gaming to the maximum; in the games gone before; be the criteria a top 100 is based on. Though thats me, obviously nobody puts a top 100 together on that criteria, cos it would more than likely be completely anal and an extremely tedious read.
Debolika Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:49:00 - [47] Edited by: Debolika on 09/08/2006 16:55:25 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Debolika Originally by: Brutor Shaun The UK edition of PC Gamer has released their top 100 gamers ever, and Eve got a whole paragraph and came in at number 30. World of Warcraft? A whole page and placed number 5 Some things are just wrong. The PCG top 100 is one of them. Oh sure, because millions of computer gamers would rather be sitting in front of an asteroid mining rather than tromping through the world of Azeroth killing things... /rolls_eyes As a couple posters above indicated, "Silly Fanbois" WoW is very much a superior game to EVE, in almost every way except for depth... Depth is what makes me pay subscriptions, hence why I am here... It probably makes you fanbois feel pretty secure knowing you can come here to your little cave (forums) and cast down the over 6 million heathens for liking a game in which you feel is inferior, and they as inferior too... So why don't you all grow a pair, suck it up and quit bashing a game that is much more complete, polished and popular than our beloved EVE and just leave it at that... It is like trying to compare Arena football to the NFL... If you hate EVE so much, why do you play it? See bolded statements from my previous post, reading skills FTW... 400x120@24000 bytes Max. -Capsicum
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Out Of Exile	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Caol What I meant was that the top 100 games should be based on originality, that the concepts first introduced and used to increase gaming to the maximum; in the games gone before; be the criteria a top 100 is based on. Though thats me, obviously nobody puts a top 100 together on that criteria, cos it would more than likely be completely anal and an extremely tedious read. I totally see your point, and agree that the original titles of games deserve a mention in a top 100 but... Remember that it is considerably more difficult to come up with an original idea NOW than it was then. There was a time when 'lets make a game that involves lots of wizards and fairies in a persistent world' would be a totally new, original idea. There was also a time when 'lets put 4 guys with guitars and drums together and sing a song' was a totally original idea too. Put a creative genius who has never heard of computer games into a room for a day and ask him to come up with a great new game idea, and the chances are he will come up with a great idea that has already been done to death. Games such as Spore seem to show that originality is not completely dead. However, to exclude games from a top 10 just because they develop an idea that has been done before is to exclude quality for the sake of misguided purist posterity. Exiles Recruitment
Ilya Murametz Caldari Hybonashi Industries	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:54:00 - [49] Originally by: coldplasma Edited by: coldplasma on 09/08/2006 14:32:44 To be honest, the only reason WoW is always voted ahead of EVE is because of it's huge advertising thrust resulting in huge popularity. I've played WoW and don't really find it very interesting. I hope CCP plans on making a few publicity campaigns once the new version of Trinity comes out. CCP servers cant handle what we have now..... "few" publicity campaigns will bring us down completely. just my 2 cents.
Marund Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:54:00 - [50] For a rare moment I agree with DS. That list is utter crap. However, I must disagree that HL1 was better than HL2. Yes, they are both great games and should both be in any sane top 10 list, but I feel there are some things that HL2 did so much better. Most notably, the total and complete immersion you got in the game, between the dead-on physics (and best part of that was that it wasn't a cheap gimmick, it was an honest gameplay element), face modeling on the characters (holy crap!), and other things. HL2 also had the single best pacing I have ever seen in a game, ever. It's the one game I can really say "Yeah, that's the PERFECT length for that game". That being said, how Doom II was not on that list boggles me. I don't like sigs, this one in particular.
Caol	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Remember that it is considerably more difficult to come up with an original idea NOW than it was then...Put a creative genius who has never heard of computer games into a room for a day and ask him to come up with a great new game idea, and the chances are he will come up with a great idea that has already been done to death Nah. These people (thanks to wiki) don't seem to have a problem: Shigeru Miyamoto , Peter Molyneux, Hideo Kojima and many others that I can't remember off the top of my head (oh, these peeps too ofc ).
Marund Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:19:00 - [52] Peter Molyneux, ARGGHhh Yeah, he can have good idea, but they always end up being lies. Pretty, happy lies, but lies WHY PETER? YOU HAD SUCH GOOD IDEAS! I don't like sigs, this one in particular.
Tobin Farr Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Here's their top ten: 1. Oblivion 2. Half-Life 2 (+ ep2) 3. Deus Ex 4. BF2 5. WoW 6. Civilization IV 7. Rome: Total War 8. Thief: Deadly Shadows 9. GTA: San Andreas 10. The Sims 2 Wow that list is BS. It might be slightly more believable if it said "best games of the past few years", but even then it would be quite off. I only see four games there that are worthy being in Top 100: Thief: Deadly Shadows Rome: Total War Deus Ex Civilization IV All the rest -- Pfft! I would still like to get the full list.
Ti Nsi Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:24:00 - [54] Oh, I thought it wasn't in the list at all. I can go fish that issue out of the bin now I suppose..
Caol	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:24:00 - [55] Haha, i read an interview with Peter Molyneux in the Edge once and he did come across as alittle arrogant, but credit where credit is due.
Marund Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Caol Haha, i read an interview with Peter Molyneux in the Edge once and he did come across as alittle arrogant, but credit where credit is due. A little? This is the guy that said we'd have all these wonderful features in Fable. When the game came out, they weren't there. He then said (not quoting here, something like this), "well, the fans shouldn't have expected those things, they should have known it was just talk". But.. you.. lead.. design.. make.. features... GRRAHHHH! I don't like sigs, this one in particular.
The Slayer Caldari Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:31:00 - [57] If Peter Molyneux got half the creative control that Sid Meier or Will Wright do his games would be the pwn. I think its more the publisher that makes his games sucky, he gets pressured into releasing with half the stuff he promised not in the game. And to all the people bashing WoW. Sure you dont like it. But 6 million people do. It isnt an utter pile of garbage as soon seem to think, its a fun, polished game that can be quite relaxing and VERY pretty. Might not be your cup of tea but that doesnt make it s***. __________________________________ Your Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Estamel Tharchon, wrecking for 187.6 damage.
Caol	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Marund Originally by: Caol Haha, i read an interview with Peter Molyneux in the Edge once and he did come across as alittle arrogant, but credit where credit is due. A little? This is the guy that said we'd have all these wonderful features in Fable. When the game came out, they weren't there. He then said (not quoting here, something like this), "well, the fans shouldn't have expected those things, they should have known it was just talk". But.. you.. lead.. design.. make.. features... GRRAHHHH! Ah, I didn't know that. I was thinking more in terms of Syndicate and Populus. Syndicate is what I would imagine if Eve was to ever simulate outposts, stations or cities. Anyway, didn't mean to de-rail the thread
Caethes Adain Minmatar The Descendents	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:43:00 - [59] I kinda agree with oblivion being high up in the charts, it's not so much what the game is, but what it can become. Already people have started adding content, improving upon it. Give it another 6 months and it could become something pretty special. Deffinately seems like more of a 'more popular' than 'points for actually being worthwhile" kinda chart. People dissapoint me. End my dissapointment.
The Slayer Caldari Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:58:00 - [60] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 ( Ie making everyone use gates to travel, and needing to warp everywhere to travel both very poor choices that prevent EVE from having truly great gameplay) Ok I was with you till you got here. What are your alternatives to warping/gateing? __________________________________ Your Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Estamel Tharchon, wrecking for 187.6 damage.

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