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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman Edited by: Mitchman on 10/08/2006 16:35:17 Hot news just in: We've been fighting CVA & co for some time now, so welcome into the fray. PIE never threatened to declare on us, though 
Threaten is such an emotive word.
It's not so much a threat to declare on KIA, more a statement that we reserve the right to do so should we chose.
And we also reserve the right to take action against OO once they leave VF.
Discussions within the corporation are ongoing.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:15:00 -
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[OOC remarks as an interested but completely non-involved player]
Originally by: Archbishop I will just say as an RPer I find myself disappointed and let down a bit. I thought someones RP was going to shape up a bit and it apparently hasnt. I feel like I wasted time the other day talking to someone now.
I don't really see that hiring mercenaries has any bearing on whether or not someone's RP is bad or good.
The reasons for hiring the mercs might (and we don't officially know what the reasons are let alone who the employer is) but I strongly disagree that hiring mercs in EVE per se somehow results in RP demerits.
As a veteran of the CVA-SF War, I will admit to some amusement that KIA are this time the hirelings of a mysterious anti-CVA/PIE employer rather than, as was the case in the aforementioned war, the hirelings of a mysterious pro-CVA|anti-SF employer. (Which was never made clear and I am one of those in SF who has come to believe that there really was a contract.)
Anyway, mercs are part of the player-created atmosphere and background of EVE. Hiring them is to use resources in the attempt to obtain an effect on the battlefield. Combine it with an overall objective and a reason for that objective and you have RP. As I say, it's the not the hiring of mercs that has a bearing on the merits of the RP in question, it's rather the rationale behind the decision to hire them at all.
Cosmo
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:17:00 -
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CVA/PIE
You are welcome to read into this whatever you like.
If you want to continue the war after we are finished, that is your perogative. But somehow I do not believe you will follow through on an empty threat.
Making a war with a merc corp personal, is a very very dangerous decision, do not allow your initial anger cloud your judgements sir.
We will treat you with honour and respect until the time, which we hope will not come, that you prove to us you are unworthy of our respect.
Your call guys, KIA WILL see you on the battlefield, and our guns will do our talking, better make sure you got ear plugs in though, as we "talk" fkin loudly.
Safe flight... you know the rest.
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Al Haquis
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:25:00 -
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Please KIAeddZ get off you high horse your in the buisness of war so what if Cva declears against you after the contract is finished , you as a proffesional mercinary are going to take this as a great insult and bla bla bla. Come on.
Good luck CVA Kia are tough cookies and the fighting will be tough, btw if you got new people recruited in the last weeks dont let them on TS while on Ops.
With love from Al Haquios
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cold lazarus
Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ CVA/PIE
We will treat you with honour and respect until the time, which we hope will not come, that you prove to us you are unworthy of our respect.
and yet
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Originally by: Lamb Chop
Edited by: Lamb Chop on 10/08/2006 15:18:50 To the PIE and CVA pilots, claiming it is roleplaying does not make your flame and smack in this channel right. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.
Better yet, take into the battlefield.
As how you will react to this contract duration or after is up to you. Try not to make promises you can not keep or will be hard to back out from.
PIE CVA are roleplayers, respect them for that and thier option to roleplay in local channels and on the forums, if you consider whats on these forums are smak the god help you when they get the scriptures out.
Go CVA/PIE


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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:48:00 -
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A contract not in the north ?
GL, HF
Volt
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Deidranna
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ CVA/PIE
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Making a war with a merc corp personal, is a very very dangerous decision, do not allow your initial anger cloud your judgements sir.
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the "free" war on D2 ... was nothing personal sure
deidranna
GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
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Gus Preston
Gallente The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:21:00 -
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ah the joys 
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:21:00 -
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There was no "free" war.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Miner Guide to the Galaxy
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite [OOC remarks as an interested but completely non-involved player]
Originally by: Archbishop I will just say as an RPer I find myself disappointed and let down a bit. I thought someones RP was going to shape up a bit and it apparently hasnt. I feel like I wasted time the other day talking to someone now.
I don't really see that hiring mercenaries has any bearing on whether or not someone's RP is bad or good.
The reasons for hiring the mercs might (and we don't officially know what the reasons are let alone who the employer is) but I strongly disagree that hiring mercs in EVE per se somehow results in RP demerits.
As a veteran of the CVA-SF War, I will admit to some amusement that KIA are this time the hirelings of a mysterious anti-CVA/PIE employer rather than, as was the case in the aforementioned war, the hirelings of a mysterious pro-CVA|anti-SF employer. (Which was never made clear and I am one of those in SF who has come to believe that there really was a contract.)
Anyway, mercs are part of the player-created atmosphere and background of EVE. Hiring them is to use resources in the attempt to obtain an effect on the battlefield. Combine it with an overall objective and a reason for that objective and you have RP. As I say, it's the not the hiring of mercs that has a bearing on the merits of the RP in question, it's rather the rationale behind the decision to hire them at all.
Cosmo
I have to agree with ya Cosmo, Hiring Mercs isn't Anti-RP, well, unless your RPing a big bad Kill all force, IE BOB hires Mercs to do their dirty work (but then again, BOB AFAIK doesn't RP all the time, This is just an Example BTW, Don't hate me)
Think about it from The "non Fighter" point of view. My corp can hold its own when need be, but in the end we are fairly weak on the PVP-Fighting scale (I say PVP fighting b/c we do PVP, A Lot, The fight for Minerals and Market stuffs can be brutal sometimes). Thats when we must flex our biggest muscle, and send in the Hired Killers to do our dirty work for us. True you don't (apparently) see it quite as often as I'd like to, But mercs play an important role in the Carebear world as well.
Sometimes, Money talks louder than words :)
CEO - MGTTG
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Sidyous
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Sidyous on 10/08/2006 18:35:50 To KIA
Just incase you wonder we don't take mercenary wars personally, we know you are doing a job that someone who obviously can't deal with us themselves (so much so that they wish to not be named) has hired you for. You are not heretics, pirates or terrorists so we don't have reason to keep anything going once your contract is over.
We do however keep you as kill on sight for your efforts and if you take that personally it is up to you.
Regards Lord Sidyous CEO Auctortian Syndicate CVA -----------------------------------------------
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sidyous
We do however keep you as kill on sight for your efforts and if you take that personally...
We are already kos to you sir.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:51:00 -
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Should be an interesting exercise to evaluate KIA's combat abilities. We'll see how you stack up to the half dozen other merc organizations we've tangled with over the last month.
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Jaysek
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Al Haquis Please KIAeddZ get off you high horse your in the buisness of war so what if Cva declears against you after the contract is finished , you as a proffesional mercinary are going to take this as a great insult and bla bla bla. Come on.
Good luck CVA Kia are tough cookies and the fighting will be tough, btw if you got new people recruited in the last weeks dont let them on TS while on Ops.
With love from Al Haquios
LOL Al......You simply dont get it....go buy a clue
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cold lazarus
Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jaysek
LOL Al......You simply dont get it....go buy a clue
Not posting with your main today then ?
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 19:22:00 -
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I think Al knows what he is talking about, you gutless alt.
Also I never thought I'd be saying this but good luck CVA and PIE
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CLEISTHENES2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Auman Have fun guys.
I'm sure the amarr won't let you down, I remember the war against the slaves was a lot of fun! Ooops I mean Ushra'Khan 
You Sir i challenge you to a game of I SPY in-game we slave ownzorrr in detecting bits falling off our ships 
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Cory
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Posted - 2006.08.10 20:43:00 -
[78]
Is Airpizza going to continue selling T2 parts to CVA?
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 21:05:00 -
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Well the arrival of KIA is a disappointment (in someone I spoke with the other day) but not unexpected. Given the half dozen or so mercenary corporations already having battled PIE and CVA over the last month or so its not really a surprise.
I'm sure KIA will do what KIA does best. They'll destroy a few ships, maybe attack a couple POSs, maybe even hit the CVA station who knows. And in a few weeks their contract will be over.
CVA and PIE on the other hand will still be around. 
I dont have alot of respect for the person who hired these mercs. At least have some guts and step forward. Then again I dont think they need to as its pretty obvious who it is given recent history. Either way it accomplishes nothing. I think they'll find both PIE and CVA determined enemies and will find they'll take a few losses to get some kills. Either way at the end all will be as it was before the war and PIE and CVA will still be around.
So sit back and enjoy letting your employer waste his money....... I know I will.
Archbishop
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.10 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Witch Doctor
PS. Ethid - no undocking your drunkageddons! Make me proud. 
i promise _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
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Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 21:06:00 -
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Al Haquis for the win!
I thought this was common knowledge by now 
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Jonny Damordred
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: CLEISTHENES2
Originally by: Auman Have fun guys.
I'm sure the amarr won't let you down, I remember the war against the slaves was a lot of fun! Ooops I mean Ushra'Khan 
You Sir i challenge you to a game of I SPY in-game we slave ownzorrr in detecting bits falling off our ships 
Wow, I think my Cliest translator is broken again... Anyone have a transcript?
Cheers, Jonny D.
-- BNC: Good boys doing bad things --
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.11 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 11/08/2006 00:16:17
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas We have fought since before KIA were given Merlins by the heathens in Jericho Fraction
It was Ospreys, and they certainly knew how to use them.
I won't wish you luck KIA, because that would be disrespecting your skill. Give 'em hell.
Edit: And Archbishop, the notion that hiring mercs would somehow be anti-RP is rediculous. If a character wants a goal achieved and mercs look cost-effective compared to other means, the character will hire the mercs.
And that's assuming that whomever hired KIA is an RPer in the first place...
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.11 00:44:00 -
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Good luck CVA, go kick their Astartes ;
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LeviUK
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.11 01:31:00 -
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Good luck PIE/CVA
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 03:50:00 -
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Quote: "And Archbishop, the notion that hiring mercs would somehow be anti-RP is rediculous. If a character wants a goal achieved and mercs look cost-effective compared to other means, the character will hire the mercs.
And that's assuming that whomever hired KIA is an RPer in the first place..."
Ah.... I dont recall saying it was anti-RP. Oh sure personally I dont see the point if you are a RPer but clearly the people who hire mercs to do their fighting for them and bring in non-RP players who smacktalk in local are clearly not RPers to begin with. (Not talking about KIA here just past experience).
Personally if I wanted to be a RPer and join the community of active RPers I'd probably take a different tack but to each his own. Either way the employer is obviously an inept coward unable to fight his own battles so he runs and hires mercs. I think that says alot about who he is as a person. Given the recent activities relating to PIE and CVA and all the mercs tossed at us its also pretty obvious where this comes from.
So I'll just point out as I said above....... they're not RPers at all.
Archbishop 
PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER |

Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 05:45:00 -
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Enjoy the carnage everyone.
Live and die with dignity! ----------------------------------------------
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.11 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 11/08/2006 06:34:20 Okay, assuming this is an OOC discussion...
Originally by: Archbishop clearly the people who hire mercs to do their fighting for them and bring in non-RP players who smacktalk in local are clearly not RPers to begin with. (Not talking about KIA here just past experience).
That is a good point, but it's no reason to stop the RP from your side. Hell, the few times I've been in a situation where there was some RP going on in local or during an event, I dove right into it. I think it's a lot of fun and if we (MC) ever had to fight against or alongside a group of people such as CVA or UK, from what I've seen I think people would be surprised at how far we'd take it. 
Quote: Either way the employer is obviously an inept coward unable to fight his own battles so he runs and hires mercs. I think that says alot about who he is as a person.
Now, hold on a minute there. Take a look at what you are saying from an RP standpoint. Think about the history and purpose of mercs in the real world and EVE as well. Our role has always been either to support a larger force to ensure specific goals are accomplished or to be the tip of the sword for an overall greater purpose.
You've got a group of people who are weaker than you militarily but they have the economic power to still see their will done. They are willing to use that economic power to see events shaped to their desires. History is filled with tales of rich people who use others in order to achieve their goals.
Quote: Given the recent activities relating to PIE and CVA and all the mercs tossed at us its also pretty obvious where this comes from.
Yeah... from what I've read of this conflict though, regardless of what personal feelings exist, it's plainly obvious that the 'anti-CVA' people in this war are not in it for the short term.
Quote: So I'll just point out as I said above....... they're not RPers at all.
Why is that? Because they are not doing this the way you would? M8, CVA is one of the most well-established alliances in EVE. There is a core of morale and dedication there that few others in this game can even match. In an RP sense, CVA is arrogant and self-righteous to a fault, which is fine because TBH you've earned the right to be that way due to three years of accomplishments.
In character or out of character, can you really blame your opponent for using every means at their disposal to try to take you down?
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.11 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador Enjoy the carnage everyone.
Live and die with dignity!
i think there's nothing more to say! *Ethidium Bromide bows to the inquisition* _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.11 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene In an RP sense, CVA is arrogant and self-righteous to a fault, which is fine because TBH you've earned the right to be that way due to three years of accomplishments.
In character or out of character, can you really blame your opponent for using every means at their disposal to try to take you down?
we're considering ourselves the masterrace so yes we are very arrogant and self-rightous 8that's why i chose amarr in the first place anyway, oh yeah and the slaves ofc )
hiring mercs may be something we could never do IC as self proclaimed defenders of the empire and true faith and after the years of fighting and achievements could not do OOC because it would look like giving in (for me at least).
so i hope that KIA will accept our roleplaying and calling them ape men and heathens and see that it is not smack but just our way to deal with things. For KIA it might well be just a contract, for us it's another station on our way to justify and defend not only our RP points of view and goals but also our style of gaming. _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
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