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Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.11 11:16:00 - [31] commas are the speed bumps of the internet Smacktalk Generator
Kejsar Brutus Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.11 11:48:00 - [32] I'm quite SURPRISED no one has corrected the op's "suprised"... On a similar note, it makes me happy to read posts like these instead of "WCS WAAAAGH" or "nerf WAAAAAGH"... Well written James Lyrus, although I DO, as many others, think you're wasting your breath . I'd love to see a higher level of spelling and grammar but it's just not going to happen I reckon. Props for trying though. By the way, seriously, stop picking on his minor mistakes. From a word **'s standpoint he's well above average on these forums. Minmatar ships make chopsticks look like a technological marvel.**
loony zoon	Posted - 2006.08.11 11:52:00 - [33] HAHAHAHA Best joke ever. 'coherency' - got to love your word invention skills
Marshy 3rd	Posted - 2006.08.11 11:59:00 - [34] Ok i dont type properly. I make mistakes when i miss keys cause i try to type quick. Most forum users will be like me make a post straight to the point and not worry about how it looks as long as people can understand what is being said. On a formal letter i would take time to check punctuation and spelling and stuff but on a forum i tend not to worry to much. Forums tend to be places where a laid back approuch to discussing a topic takes place and comes across in peoples wrighting. I admit it i dont type properly or construct proper sentences but as i have stated the main reasons are quick posting and back to eve and such and the laid back way we discuss things. http://www.xtreme-eve.co.uk
Xaviar Onassis Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.08.11 12:29:00 - [35] What? Some people don't do grammar properly? Aah, poor lambkin. Their, they're, there... My personal pet hates are "rediculous", "you're" vs "your" and "lose" vs "loose", but not everyone yet has a copy of "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" by Lynne Truss. Just keep buying copies for recalcitrant relatives and we'll get there one day! --- If I win your auction, please evemail me to let me know.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.08.11 12:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Marshy 3rd Ok i dont type properly. I make mistakes when i miss keys cause i try to type quick. Most forum users will be like me make a post straight to the point and not worry about how it looks as long as people can understand what is being said. On a formal letter i would take time to check punctuation and spelling and stuff but on a forum i tend not to worry to much. Forums tend to be places where a laid back approuch to discussing a topic takes place and comes across in peoples wrighting. I admit it i dont type properly or construct proper sentences but as i have stated the main reasons are quick posting and back to eve and such and the laid back way we discuss things. I post while I run missions. I type relatively fast. English is not my native language. My keyboard is old and has a bunch of faulty keys. Yet I think my posts are more or less correct and somewhat legible. Time is really not a real issue with people like you. It takes all of 10-20 secs to proofread and correct a small post like this. It is all about the effort put in. From what you say I gather that you are just lazy and can't be bothered. That is really a shame. Good spelling etc. is an expression of courtesy imho. Then again, I guess courtesy is not as widespread as it used to be anymore anywhere these days :( --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.11 12:47:00 - [37] lol opmsut be jokeing i don tcare if ucant readwha timtyping bvecause im asometims in a very bitg gurry and in its jsut a forum not a a collage essay a nd in worst philadelphia born and raised on the playground i used to spend most of my days, chilling and relaxing and relaxing it was cool and i was shooting some b-ball outside teh school when a couple of guys that were up to no good, started making trouble in my neighborhood, i got in one little fight and my mom got scared she said you movin with your auntie and uncle in bel air. i whistled for the cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and i saw a dice in the mirrow, if anything i could say that this cab was weird but i thought it applicated yo home to bel air. i pulled up to the house about seven or later and sid to the cabbie yo homes smell you later, looked at my kingdom i was finally there to settle my crown as the prince of bel air my 2 cents ______________ Pod from above.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.11 12:58:00 - [38] Being a stickler for grammar is fun when you're trying to annoy a smacktalker (correcting grammar in flames really does drive some of them to the point of fury), but mostly I'd tend to agree, that it's just pointless pedantry. Even so, there's a large difference between the various examples of posts in this thread, in terms of readability. Thanks to those that did so nicely post counter examples. When posting on a forum, it's not time critical. You don't have to press 'Post' immediately, and it's really not that hard to correct errors you notice (unlike "suprised", which I failed to spot). If you don't care whether people can read it or not, then why are you posting it on a public forum?
Jex Jast Perfect Order	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:12:00 - [39] I agree with the idea of people putting a little more effort into their posts. It is good that the OP was not completely correct, no one will consistently produce a forum post that looks like a college essay, while at the same time you can still care whether people's eyes bleed trying to read it. I have a question for some of the people who did some correcting, and Mr Lyrus...are any of you guys English teachers? I wouldn't be surprised. I try to have coherent and reasonable posts. I also try to relate what I'm saying to the topic, unlike the guy on page one who told "that russian above me to" go back to Russia or whatever he said, I don't remember as I didn't give him much consideration. If only there were more people who thought positively of the OP's message, it might actually sink in that he's right. I see a few people have got it. ___________________________________________
Novarei The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:13:00 - [40] There are only extreme cases when it gets on my nerves, such as when there are no paragraphs, punctuation or grammar at all. But to be honest that is very rare, most people get away with. And if it is that bad, most of the time its not worth reading.
Boonaki Caldari Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:17:00 - [41] woh craes yuo kown waht pepole r syaing. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:23:00 - [42] Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 11/08/2006 13:23:54 I find I have enough diffculty with waking up every morning, let alone trying to "do english right". (also I never did learn another language because I am no good at my own. So as a result I felt it would be hypocritcal of me to learn another, when I have not mastered my own.) -------------- Dang nabit
Khabok HMX-1	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:29:00 - [43] I don't get annoyed when an obviously non-English speaker attempts to write a post in English. Honestly, with the arrogance of your typical American, I'm suprised that most people even attempt to communicate with Americans, and there aren't enough English people in the world to make it worthwhile. For some odd reason, English has become the language of the internet, even though there are far more Spanish or Chinese speakers across the world. Then again, more English-speaking people have access to the internet than Chinese or Spanish speaking peoples, so that's probably natural. What really bothers the hell out of me is when an obviously native English-speaker (typically a juvenile American) butchers the language so badly that even another American can't be assed to take the time to understand him. This is an international forum. It's very easy after a while to tell the non-native English speakers from the L337 kiddies who are simply trying to look cool. Makes it easier to figure out who to ignore. Oh, and yes, I'm an American, and yes, I'm ashamed that some of us are so ignorant and arrogant. Khabok _______________________________________________
acompton Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Makaylah On a similar note; I have more problems understanding Brittish people on TS/vent than people who's native language isn't English... Yes, that 'accent' is pretty tough to understand Actually I would rank Brits > Aussies > NZer on the "can yanks understand you" scale ... And yeah , I know, you are all worried about that.
Novarei The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:44:00 - [45] Originally by: acompton Originally by: Makaylah On a similar note; I have more problems understanding Brittish people on TS/vent than people who's native language isn't English... Yes, that 'accent' is pretty tough to understand Actually I would rank Brits > Aussies > NZer on the "can yanks understand you" scale ... And yeah , I know, you are all worried about that. Its probably because people who's native language isnt english are trying hard to get it right, but english speakers dont give a toss.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:50:00 - [46] Quote: The thing is, what you're doing when posting on a forum is asking people to read what you've written. If you 'can't be bothered' to do a proper job, and you're just one person, why should they 'be bothered' to read it, and maybe consider, respond and comment? I wouldn't be too suprised to find that the probability of getting flamed increased dramatically on posts that were badly written. If you want someone to do you the favour of reading your posts, then it's only polite to make it as easy as possible to do so. Holy comma hell batman! Better written then most of the drivvle on these boards. But at least ratchet up the quality control when you're critiquing. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Marshy 3rd Ok i dont type properly. I make mistakes when i miss keys cause i try to type quick. Most forum users will be like me make a post straight to the point and not worry about how it looks as long as people can understand what is being said. On a formal letter i would take time to check punctuation and spelling and stuff but on a forum i tend not to worry to much. Forums tend to be places where a laid back approuch to discussing a topic takes place and comes across in peoples wrighting. I admit it i dont type properly or construct proper sentences but as i have stated the main reasons are quick posting and back to eve and such and the laid back way we discuss things. I'm just going to quote this, because It's far too much effort to read. In forum of several thousand posts, if you want your voice to be heard, at least use paragraphs Nice post James. For those that are interested, the google tool-bar has a feature that will spell check web forms (or forum posts).
Johan VanDelft Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.11 14:08:00 - [48] Originally by: loony zoon HAHAHAHA Best joke ever. 'coherency' - got to love your word invention skills It is a word: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coherency
Pepperami Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.11 14:08:00 - [49] Originally by: News spelling and grammer <3 this is my most favourite error ever (and it's so common \o/). Well, it's definately top 10.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.08.11 14:25:00 - [50] Oh way to totally miss the points, grammar trolls The point being made is not "make sure all the niggly little rules are followed". "Don't start sentences with 'and'"? Really, who gives a [expletive]? The only people who care about that stuff are English teachers and the worst kinds of pedants, because they're just silly rules made up by academics. It's like the "don't split the infinite" rule. Why the hell not? It makes perfect sense, it scans, everyone understands it, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that some pointyhead decided that because it's impossible to do it in latin (because it's just one word), you shouldn't do it in English either. Why the hell not? And, more importantly, who cares? The point the OP makes is very simple: if you take more care over the presentation of your ideas people will pay more attention to them and take them more seriously. It's a very straightforward and largely accurate point. Griping about silly [expletive] is just dumb. Hell, I'll let you into a little secret, those of you that don't already know. Punctuation and grammar exists solely - solely - to make what you've written easier to understand. That may seem crazy, particularly if you've had it drilled into you by rote at school, but as a linguistic tool it's just there to clarify meaning. Yes, it's possible to write a whole bunch of fiddly rules, but at the end of the day they don't matter - what matters is clarity, relative consistency and most importantly useage. Hell, pretty much every rule in English has counterexamples - there's almost nothing that's truly consistent even in formal useage, and trying to make it otherwise leads to horribly broken sentences simply for the sake of "following rules". ******s to that, frankly. The important thing to remember is that there's only one capital letter between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse". Also, if you're interested in language*, as opposed to rules, I'd recommend "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson because it's really interesting.
News Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.08.11 15:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: News spelling and grammer <3 this is my most favourite error ever (and it's so common \o/). Well, it's definately top 10.
death2nite Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.11 15:16:00 - [52] If only people put this much time and effort into speaking english, that is if your in the U.S. . If not then please feel free to speak whatever is your native language.....
Coasterbrian Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.11 16:33:00 - [53] Nobody expects perfection in a forum post. I think the point here is that everybody that wishes to be heard can follow some simple rules: -Punctuate. The period is your friend. Learn it, love it, use it. -Capitalize the first letter of every sentence. Holding down shift for a fraction of a second isn't hard. It's the rectangular one below the Caps Lock key, which most people seem to have no trouble finding. -Use paragraphs. It makes things so much easier to understand. -Take twenty seconds to proofread your post for glaring errors. -If you're a poor speller and you have an important point to make, write your post up in word processing software first and run it through a spellchecker. None of these points are unreasonable expectations for anybody over the age of twelve, whether english is your native language or not. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Han Grit Gallente AIRSUKER AEROSPACE CORPORATION	Posted - 2006.08.11 17:03:00 - [54] Quote: If you write something on the internet, that you're hoping a lot of people will read and respond to IT Just so's the nitpicks who went as far as correcting a fairly agreeable and readable post know, the "IT" is not in fact required, as the "that" acts as relative pronoun. Peace & Love
Jex Jast Perfect Order	Posted - 2006.08.11 17:31:00 - [55] Originally by: Khabok I don't get annoyed when an obviously non-English speaker attempts to write a post in English. Honestly, with the arrogance of your typical American, I'm suprised that most people even attempt to communicate with Americans, and there aren't enough English people in the world to make it worthwhile. For some odd reason, English has become the language of the internet, even though there are far more Spanish or Chinese speakers across the world. Then again, more English-speaking people have access to the internet than Chinese or Spanish speaking peoples, so that's probably natural. What really bothers the hell out of me is when an obviously native English-speaker (typically a juvenile American) butchers the language so badly that even another American can't be assed to take the time to understand him. This is an international forum. It's very easy after a while to tell the non-native English speakers from the L337 kiddies who are simply trying to look cool. Makes it easier to figure out who to ignore. Oh, and yes, I'm an American, and yes, I'm ashamed that some of us are so ignorant and arrogant. Khabok Careful. I had a thread get wiped clean because I commented about Americans as an American. I appreciate the people who try their best to speak English as a second, third, etc. language. Even if they're completely incomprehensible (which does happen), they're at least trying and putting in some kind of effort. It's the noobs who speak it as a first language and assume others will waste their time decoding "ru serius i thot we was frens" and the like that cause the problems. And to the person who said you didn't want to try learning another language before mastering English: I assume you meant a certain level of mastery, because no one has mastered English to date, if by mastering it you mean having the intrinsic sense to use all grammar rules naturally and having an extremely extensive, spelling-perfect vocabulary. I'm not a master of English though I guess I'm good enough at it, and I am learning French, though actually my school system requires it but I'm glad they did. <3 Languages Let's hope for the best from our incoming WoW players Just kidding guys I know some of you are quite intelligent. ___________________________________________
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.08.11 20:47:00 - [56] Edited by: Lord Frost on 11/08/2006 20:49:46 I really think is someone is writing about proper English grammer, they should atleast take their own advice. Or better yet... just STFU. Oh, I apologize... GRAMMAR. link for ego minded grammar folk
Rock Saw	Posted - 2006.08.11 20:56:00 - [57] I gots a headache when i reads the OPS postage... maybe tis just me. but i prefers to right my posts hoever i chose too. im outta colleg, done wit tryin to pleese yall thru gramer. i reely liked this tho Quote: Spelling. It helps a lot if you spell stuff right. i luv sepllin stuf... but som prefer too spell wrods.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Hell, I'll let you into a little secret, those of you that don't already know. Punctuation and grammar exists solely - solely - to make what you've written easier to understand. That may seem crazy, particularly if you've had it drilled into you by rote at school, but as a linguistic tool it's just there to clarify meaning. Yes, it's possible to write a whole bunch of fiddly rules, but at the end of the day they don't matter - what matters is clarity, relative consistency and most importantly useage. Hell, pretty much every rule in English has counterexamples - there's almost nothing that's truly consistent even in formal useage, and trying to make it otherwise leads to horribly broken sentences simply for the sake of "following rules". ******s to that, frankly. The important thing to remember is that there's only one capital letter between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse". On the contrary my friend... the written language is for communication. The brains mind can piece words together... for example... punctuation is not as important as many think. Hell, I'l let you nto a eittle tecres, ehost of you that don't ylreada now. nunctuatiop and rrammag sxiste yolels - solely* - to make what you've nrittew rasiee to dnderstanu. That may seem yrazc, yarticularlp if you've had it drilled into you by rote at lchoos, but as a cinguistil tool it's just there to ylarifc geaninm. I can read it fine... even tho the spelling is horrific.
Norma Stitz	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Johan VanDelft Originally by: loony zoon HAHAHAHA Best joke ever. 'coherency' - got to love your word invention skills It is a word: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coherency Try looking up an english dictionary rather than an american one, and it is english we are talking about here,not american noun - coherence adjective - coherent coherency is like normalcy, a word coined by illiterate american politicians
loony zoon	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Johan VanDelft Originally by: loony zoon HAHAHAHA Best joke ever. 'coherency' - got to love your word invention skills It is a word: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coherency Dearie me, the dangers of the internet. The noun is coherence. i.e. 'the coherence of your writing'

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