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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 05:43:00 -
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Well kind of.
Too tired to go into detail but..
If you know what your approximate corporation standing increase PER mission success is, then ic an tell you fairly accurately how many missions it will take you with one level 3 agent, and no fails, to get to the BP mission.
(also works for agent referals , give or take a few missions either way)
I think the full range is 200-400 missions btw!
Most important are charisma, social and the other social skills (such as diploamcy etc).. its those that can swing you from 400 down to (maybe) 200 missions.
In tests so far it sproven pretty accurate - give me until tomorrow and i can categorically say if its correct.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 06:08:00 -
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oh yeah - NEVER change agents... and the best level 3 agent will be the most "abysmal" one you can find (if you want to get to the BP mission fastest [TM])
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Sushanta Mog
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Posted - 2003.10.10 09:30:00 -
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Hmm, the most Abyssmal?
I donŠt see the sense in that, can you clarify?
Are the Abyssmal agents more likely to hand out item rewards as opposed to money?
Please explain your findings.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.10.10 10:07:00 -
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Abysmal agents send you closer on missions than awesome agents. So if you're not interested in the isk rewards then go abysmal.
PS. Morkt i got my BP mission (260 missions, Social 4, Charisma 12. See if that matches with your theory)
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.10.10 11:44:00 -
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I'm working for 2 lvl 3 agents in the same corp, located only 3 jumps away from each other. You said we should never change agents... so I should only work for one?
Currently at mission 203... I keep declining bad missions all the time... and then bribe my way back into her heart. Any comments?
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RaBiDdoG
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:38:00 -
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furthest my awesome lvl 3 agent has sent me is 8 jumps, about 3 times so far.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:40:00 -
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I'm working for 2 lvl 3 agents in the same corp, located only 3 jumps away from each other. You said we should never change agents... so I should only work for one?
Currently at mission 203... I keep declining bad missions all the time... and then bribe my way back into her heart. Any comments?
Yes the BP mission is per agent only, not per corporation.
At this point we dont know if you can get more than one BP mission per Faction. We do know you cant get more than one BP per agent.
Golgrath - its close id've "guesstimated" 277 with those figures. Theres a lot more error in guessing the per-mission reward, but it does give a reasonable ball-park figure.
As we "worked out" having a charisma around 11 and social 4 are the major factors for getting the number of mission down below 300.
Theres obviously other factors though so its not a watertight or exact system.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:53:00 -
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Tell me my futur ! ;)
13 charisma lvl 3 social =P
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:57:00 -
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Golgrath - was your agent about +6 - +8% standing btw?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:59:00 -
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Muad - most folks with Charisma around 11 (+/- 2) and social 4 will be around the 260 mark.
Only get big variations for those with significant charisma and social (or lack of)... one guy had charisma 5 and nothing else - he was looking at almost 400 missions for a neutral stnading level 3 agent - ouch!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:00:00 -
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Oh yeah - and there is some cuto-off date before which any missions dont count - which is why some folks might have good stats but still be needing high number sof missions.
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Alviarin
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:02:00 -
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erm...NO fails???
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:18:00 -
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No fails, no refusals
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:29:00 -
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So what happens if you fail? I'm guessing you haven't done 300 missions for one agent, and 300 for another to test the affects of failling?
Veruna Caseti
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:34:00 -
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I'm lv2 social and 6 charisma :D
My agent is awesome with 16% and 10%
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:46:00 -
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Charisma 12 (thinking of pushing it to 15 - Haven't picked up the relevant learning skill yet), Social of 3.
Mediocre agent, -17% IIRC, +10%
61 missions done, so I know I still have a loooong way to go.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:21:00 -
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The lastest service from BBBB :
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Milene
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:28:00 -
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Morkt, do bribes affect this number?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:35:00 -
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We dont know/cant yet work out, the effects of bribes, fails and refusals.
Failures we think are a simple 3 to 1 ratio (need 3 successes to make up for a failure) but thats a guestimate.
Refusals and bribes we really dont know other than refusals have "some" , "smallish", negative effect... we arent even sure bribes has any effect on attaining the BP mission or otehr agent referals... I rather suspect it doesn't. (Way too easy a way around things)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:38:00 -
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Quote:
I'm lv2 social and 6 charisma :D
My agent is awesome with 16% and 10%
EEP!
You are well up in the 300s...way up there.
Train social and raise charisma to knock a good 50+ missions off that total.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:41:00 -
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Charisma 12 (thinking of pushing it to 15 - Haven't picked up the relevant learning skill yet), Social of 3.
Mediocre agent, -17% IIRC, +10%
61 missions done, so I know I still have a loooong way to go.
260 with that extra charisma and social 4...mebe a few less.
You should also have been getting other-agent referals by now from your level 3? (if not you will v soon)
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:47:00 -
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*smiles* Thankies muchly 
Aye, got a mediocre (base) one, though 5 jumps away, and out of my way, really compared to the direction my primary agent sends me. Not really close enough to ferry between doing concurrent level 3 missions.
Though was lucky enough to have a level 2 at the same station, for the same corp, as my primary level 3, so I can double-up most of the times that way, or take the level 2's to earn cash while waiting for the level 3 reset.
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Ariel N'barr
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:02:00 -
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Morkt, do you think Negotiation and Connections skills figure into it at all? I have 13 charisma, social 4, negotiation 3 and connections 2. My agent is +0 (neutral).
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Draka
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Draka on 10/10/2003 20:21:54
OK, I'll bite. Currently Agent is Awesome (+17%, standing +10%). My attributes are Charisma 15 (Implant plus skills), Social 4. Had one failure, so will skew results but interested in what the original would have been. Currently at 180 successes, 1 failure. Average length of Missions are 4 Jumps one way.
p.s. I have 29 Agents so obviously have not been concentrating on only one!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:37:00 -
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Drake - 256 (ish)
Ariel - yeah papasmurf said a while back that most social skills played a part, some major some minor. Social being the major one, but stuff like DIplomacy also .. exactly howmuch theyf actor in though - no idea (other than social)
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.10.10 21:01:00 -
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Well I know of someone with 14 char / 4 social who is at 289..
so something is skewed there
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Kralizec
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Posted - 2003.10.10 21:32:00 -
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282 missions completed, 2 failed. for agent quality +19%, standing +10%
probably first 100 were done with social lvl 3 charisma 12. The remaining social lvl 4 and charisma 15.
Also have a second lvl 3 agent in same system:
192 completed, zero failed. -17% quality, +10% standing.
And my future is?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 21:51:00 -
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One of the problems is that there is a "cut-off" date, before which any missions done dont count.
In every case so far where mission numbers were out of whack its been a case of somebody having done missions for a logn time and thus having "disqualified" missions on their record.
We dont know what the date was though.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mynobe Soletae on 10/10/2003 22:04:46
Bribes increase your standing but don't increase your "missions" count. Since the BP is given after so many missions, obviously bribes won't help with it.
Bribes may even be detrimental, since so many people report they've reached max standing and aren't getting the lewtz, and are advised to fail a mission in order to get their standing down a bit...
As far as I know, failing just sets your FACTION back by the equivalent of 3-5 missions (depends on agent quality).
So, if you want yoru faction back, you need to do 3-5 missions, but if the only thing you're after is the lewt, you only need to do 1 extra (since the failed mission is not added to the "completed missions" counter).
And not sure what effect skipping missions has. |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:35:00 -
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Quote:
Bribes increase your standing but don't increase your "missions" count. Since the BP is given after so many missions, obviously bribes won't help with it.
Obviously it's not just "number of missions" at work here. Otherwise, everyone would get them at the same time.
Faction obviously plays a role here, and bribing may or may not speed your progress toward the chance to get a BP mission.
Veruna Caseti
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