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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 05:43:00 -
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Well kind of.
Too tired to go into detail but..
If you know what your approximate corporation standing increase PER mission success is, then ic an tell you fairly accurately how many missions it will take you with one level 3 agent, and no fails, to get to the BP mission.
(also works for agent referals , give or take a few missions either way)
I think the full range is 200-400 missions btw!
Most important are charisma, social and the other social skills (such as diploamcy etc).. its those that can swing you from 400 down to (maybe) 200 missions.
In tests so far it sproven pretty accurate - give me until tomorrow and i can categorically say if its correct.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 06:08:00 -
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oh yeah - NEVER change agents... and the best level 3 agent will be the most "abysmal" one you can find (if you want to get to the BP mission fastest [TM])
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Sushanta Mog
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Posted - 2003.10.10 09:30:00 -
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Hmm, the most Abyssmal?
I donŠt see the sense in that, can you clarify?
Are the Abyssmal agents more likely to hand out item rewards as opposed to money?
Please explain your findings.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.10.10 10:07:00 -
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Abysmal agents send you closer on missions than awesome agents. So if you're not interested in the isk rewards then go abysmal.
PS. Morkt i got my BP mission (260 missions, Social 4, Charisma 12. See if that matches with your theory)
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.10.10 11:44:00 -
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I'm working for 2 lvl 3 agents in the same corp, located only 3 jumps away from each other. You said we should never change agents... so I should only work for one?
Currently at mission 203... I keep declining bad missions all the time... and then bribe my way back into her heart. Any comments?
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RaBiDdoG
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:38:00 -
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furthest my awesome lvl 3 agent has sent me is 8 jumps, about 3 times so far.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:40:00 -
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 Quote:
I'm working for 2 lvl 3 agents in the same corp, located only 3 jumps away from each other. You said we should never change agents... so I should only work for one?
Currently at mission 203... I keep declining bad missions all the time... and then bribe my way back into her heart. Any comments?
Yes the BP mission is per agent only, not per corporation.
At this point we dont know if you can get more than one BP mission per Faction. We do know you cant get more than one BP per agent.
Golgrath - its close id've "guesstimated" 277 with those figures. Theres a lot more error in guessing the per-mission reward, but it does give a reasonable ball-park figure.
As we "worked out" having a charisma around 11 and social 4 are the major factors for getting the number of mission down below 300.
Theres obviously other factors though so its not a watertight or exact system.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:53:00 -
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Tell me my futur ! ;)
13 charisma lvl 3 social =P
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:57:00 -
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Golgrath - was your agent about +6 - +8% standing btw?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:59:00 -
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Muad - most folks with Charisma around 11 (+/- 2) and social 4 will be around the 260 mark.
Only get big variations for those with significant charisma and social (or lack of)... one guy had charisma 5 and nothing else - he was looking at almost 400 missions for a neutral stnading level 3 agent - ouch!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:00:00 -
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Oh yeah - and there is some cuto-off date before which any missions dont count - which is why some folks might have good stats but still be needing high number sof missions.
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Alviarin
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:02:00 -
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erm...NO fails???
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:18:00 -
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No fails, no refusals
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:29:00 -
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So what happens if you fail? I'm guessing you haven't done 300 missions for one agent, and 300 for another to test the affects of failling?
Veruna Caseti
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:34:00 -
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I'm lv2 social and 6 charisma :D
My agent is awesome with 16% and 10%
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:46:00 -
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Charisma 12 (thinking of pushing it to 15 - Haven't picked up the relevant learning skill yet), Social of 3.
Mediocre agent, -17% IIRC, +10%
61 missions done, so I know I still have a loooong way to go.
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:21:00 -
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The lastest service from BBBB :
"We tell you your futur ! only 5.95 isk per min ! interstellar fees may applies !"
On vacations (need a new sig too) |
Milene
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:28:00 -
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Morkt, do bribes affect this number?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:35:00 -
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We dont know/cant yet work out, the effects of bribes, fails and refusals.
Failures we think are a simple 3 to 1 ratio (need 3 successes to make up for a failure) but thats a guestimate.
Refusals and bribes we really dont know other than refusals have "some" , "smallish", negative effect... we arent even sure bribes has any effect on attaining the BP mission or otehr agent referals... I rather suspect it doesn't. (Way too easy a way around things)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:38:00 -
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Quote:
I'm lv2 social and 6 charisma :D
My agent is awesome with 16% and 10%
EEP!
You are well up in the 300s...way up there.
Train social and raise charisma to knock a good 50+ missions off that total.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:41:00 -
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Quote:
Charisma 12 (thinking of pushing it to 15 - Haven't picked up the relevant learning skill yet), Social of 3.
Mediocre agent, -17% IIRC, +10%
61 missions done, so I know I still have a loooong way to go.
260 with that extra charisma and social 4...mebe a few less.
You should also have been getting other-agent referals by now from your level 3? (if not you will v soon)
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:47:00 -
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*smiles* Thankies muchly 
Aye, got a mediocre (base) one, though 5 jumps away, and out of my way, really compared to the direction my primary agent sends me. Not really close enough to ferry between doing concurrent level 3 missions.
Though was lucky enough to have a level 2 at the same station, for the same corp, as my primary level 3, so I can double-up most of the times that way, or take the level 2's to earn cash while waiting for the level 3 reset.
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Ariel N'barr
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:02:00 -
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Morkt, do you think Negotiation and Connections skills figure into it at all? I have 13 charisma, social 4, negotiation 3 and connections 2. My agent is +0 (neutral).
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Draka
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Draka on 10/10/2003 20:21:54
OK, I'll bite. Currently Agent is Awesome (+17%, standing +10%). My attributes are Charisma 15 (Implant plus skills), Social 4. Had one failure, so will skew results but interested in what the original would have been. Currently at 180 successes, 1 failure. Average length of Missions are 4 Jumps one way.
p.s. I have 29 Agents so obviously have not been concentrating on only one!
CEO
The Cinnaban Order
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:37:00 -
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Drake - 256 (ish)
Ariel - yeah papasmurf said a while back that most social skills played a part, some major some minor. Social being the major one, but stuff like DIplomacy also .. exactly howmuch theyf actor in though - no idea (other than social)
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.10.10 21:01:00 -
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Well I know of someone with 14 char / 4 social who is at 289..
so something is skewed there
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Kralizec
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Posted - 2003.10.10 21:32:00 -
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282 missions completed, 2 failed. for agent quality +19%, standing +10%
probably first 100 were done with social lvl 3 charisma 12. The remaining social lvl 4 and charisma 15.
Also have a second lvl 3 agent in same system:
192 completed, zero failed. -17% quality, +10% standing.
And my future is?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 21:51:00 -
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One of the problems is that there is a "cut-off" date, before which any missions done dont count.
In every case so far where mission numbers were out of whack its been a case of somebody having done missions for a logn time and thus having "disqualified" missions on their record.
We dont know what the date was though.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mynobe Soletae on 10/10/2003 22:04:46
Bribes increase your standing but don't increase your "missions" count. Since the BP is given after so many missions, obviously bribes won't help with it.
Bribes may even be detrimental, since so many people report they've reached max standing and aren't getting the lewtz, and are advised to fail a mission in order to get their standing down a bit...
As far as I know, failing just sets your FACTION back by the equivalent of 3-5 missions (depends on agent quality).
So, if you want yoru faction back, you need to do 3-5 missions, but if the only thing you're after is the lewt, you only need to do 1 extra (since the failed mission is not added to the "completed missions" counter).
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:35:00 -
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Quote:
Bribes increase your standing but don't increase your "missions" count. Since the BP is given after so many missions, obviously bribes won't help with it.
Obviously it's not just "number of missions" at work here. Otherwise, everyone would get them at the same time.
Faction obviously plays a role here, and bribing may or may not speed your progress toward the chance to get a BP mission.
Veruna Caseti
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Perrin Aybara
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:43:00 -
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I got tired of being attacked every now and then in Caldari space while working for my Gallente agent, thus I switched to a CONCORD agent to get some faction up.
I't s reported that CONCORD dosn't give implants (or so I hear), but have anyone get the BP mission from em?
The notion of having basicly +6.0 standing to all "goodguy" factions after doing 250-300 lvl3 missions appeal to my sence of glory.
Allso, have anyone experianced a differance of being a member of the corp your agent belong to or not?
(charisma 15, social4)
Cheers; Lord Goldeneyes
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Flaloch
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Posted - 2003.10.11 00:13:00 -
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Ok Ok
22 charisma
4 social
4 criminal connections
4 negotiations
agent (+18, +10%, +10% negot.)
*rubs the lamp*
"The people expected it of me and I had got to do it; I could feel their two thousand wills pressing me forward, irresistibly. "
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.11 00:20:00 -
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Quote:
Ok Ok
22 charisma
4 social
4 criminal connections
4 negotiations
agent (+18, +10%, +10% negot.)
*rubs the lamp*
Holy Catfish Batman...
blimmey...
low 200's mate... very low... might even break 200
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jide
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Posted - 2003.10.11 01:27:00 -
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ok, ok, my turn, plz:
social: 3
charisma: 13
and Caldari agent is:
Mediocre (agent -18%, standing +10%)
6.00 with his corp and 6.00 with Caldari
I've succeeded 338 missions with him already, failed 6, and probably refused about a dozen.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.10.11 10:25:00 -
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Here's my stats...
Charisma 14
Social lvl 4
Agent -18% / +10% Mediocre
done 233 missions, failed 1, refused a whole lot. Kept bribing her to keep my faction and corp standing over 5.5, now at 6.0 again.
Have received 1 referral to an awesome lvl 3 agent from her. Also keep getting implants at regurlar intervals, received over 10 by now.
Refusing missions even seem to help in getting implants. Refused 4 in a row and got an implant.
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Zvavos d'long
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:50:00 -
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What about just hand out the formula, then we can all calculate our own 
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:40:00 -
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I just curious how you can possibly think you have the formula, what with all the unknown variables and things.
I'm most curious about why you think charisma has an effect on the outcome when no other attributes have any sort of effects on any other game mechanics.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.11 13:36:00 -
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Failures we think are a simple 3 to 1 ratio (need 3 successes to make up for a failure) but thats a guestimate.
It is 2.5. Now I want the rest of the formula 
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Aissa
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Posted - 2003.10.11 15:05:00 -
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heh
Sell the info Morkt
~Aissa
Nomad, Dictionary and Encyclopedia of The Regulators |
Coretheus
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Posted - 2003.10.11 18:41:00 -
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Tell my future ;)
Charisma 22, social lvl 5 with a +8% agent
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.11 21:40:00 -
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Quote:
I just curious how you can possibly think you have the formula, what with all the unknown variables and things.
I'm most curious about why you think charisma has an effect on the outcome when no other attributes have any sort of effects on any other game mechanics.
I agree with Lola.
I find it impossible to believe, given the limited number of people who have received BPs, that Morkt has an accurate formula for the missioncount unless Papa Smurf let Morkt see the game code. Highly unlikely. There simply isn't enough data with which to base a formula on.
And the person Temujin mentioned is up to 300 missions. (14 char 4 social) - And almost all of his L3 missions were recent.
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Wodka
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Posted - 2003.10.11 22:48:00 -
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how many times has this to be told b4 ppl finnally realize charisma does jack for youre agent it means NOTHING to him al that agents " care" about are youre skills end of it. charisma only speeds skills up you need for agents.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.11 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 11/10/2003 22:53:25
/me shrugs
Its works ok for me.
Fwiw I have never said i have the "formula" nor that it is 100% accurate. It is, however, a reasonable ballpark system.
Feel free to diss it and me at leisure. I'll continue to get agents and missions as anticipated and accept your far more accurate formulae as to how I cannot possibly be right.
(I guess I have the luxury of having allready obtained BPs so as not too really care much either way.)
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.11 23:38:00 -
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Morkt, do you think you could make a post on Agents.
Like how many missions apprx leads to the next level, strategies for maximizing rewards etc, how long it should take you to do x number of missions for level x agent.
You seem to know a lot about agents now, and it would be a lot of help to educate those of us who are having a hard time with agents. (I have a bunch of level 3's but they are all from the same corp, and scattered around far away from each other and 200-300 missions for a BP seems like it would take a month to get)
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:01:00 -
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Can do, only thing to bear in mind is that my "agent philosophy" is centered entirely on results, not generating ISK.
(BTW atm ive deliberatley hampered faction to see if referals are "influenced" by faction standing levels... can give a answer to that issue in an hour or so)
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:13:00 -
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That doesnt bother me, as I think everyone is in it for the prizes anyway.
Personally, your knowledge can help quite a lot of people here, especially newb players anc corps as they are the most likely to do agent missions in the beggining. I really hope that these new guys will get rare BP's and items and start to compete against Mega corporations.
My strategy at first was to as many missions for one agent to move to the top, I have 4+ Duvolle Labs level 2 agents, 4 Duvolle Labs level 3 agents, but they are all so far away from eachother that doing 18 missions or so to get an implant mission would take forever, and after every mission, traveling to another lvl 3 agent takes more than 15 mins.........and well, to make it short, I need to get a better system.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:24:00 -
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Well - the entire system is about to change when it goes to corporation based standings in anycase... at that point its a whole new ballgame.
Unfortunately those having built up a wide netwrok of agents may find themselves somewhat disgruntled by the changes, as, from chaos info, ti looks like holding a certain standing within a corp enables all agents in that corp who accept that range:
i.e. If you have Ishukone Corp Standing 4 you will get access to all Ishukone level 1 and 2 agents (so long as you maintain that standing).
There seems to be benefits to that system over what we have now but, as with any change, there are those who will feel as though previous work has gone to waste.
Im a bit laothe to write up a system for the current system which may result in X players finding themselves "at a loss" when the new system comes in... whenever...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 12/10/2003 00:41:18
"i.e. If you have Ishukone Corp Standing 4 you will get access to all Ishukone level 1 and 2 agents (so long as you maintain that standing)."
... Am looking forward to this actually; will certainly help to cut down time needed to establish some useful net of agents....
And yes, it seems consistent with the info previously given by Papa Smurf on how this new system is going to work.. so no one old to agent missions and serious about them can say they weren't aware 'tis supposed to happen ;s
edit
BTW atm ive deliberatley hampered faction to see if referals are "influenced" by faction standing levels... can give a answer to that issue in an hour or so)
... I had lvl.2 agent give me referrals when i got back to her long time after my corporate faction was already raised to 6.0 (i left her as soon as she gave me first referral to lvl.3 since it was in completely different region) So would say the whole theory about effects of losing and regaining faction is somewhat how to put it, unfounded? o.o;
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 01:55:00 -
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Quote:
... I had lvl.2 agent give me referrals when i got back to her long time after my corporate faction was already raised to 6.0 (i left her as soon as she gave me first referral to lvl.3 since it was in completely different region) So would say the whole theory about effects of losing and regaining faction is somewhat how to put it, unfounded? o.o;
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j0 - i dont see what you're saying.
I was talking about faction standing possibly limiting agent referal - again though the issue of its being a "trigger" only or a constant requirement comes into play.
i.e. if its a trigger it only has to be sent once..anything that happens after that is irrelevant. If its a constant then its required to be there all the time.
Of course you caould say the same about corporation standing also... will you get another agent referal if your corp standing drops below the cap? (testable but i dont think many have)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.12 02:08:00 -
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"j0 - i dont see what you're saying."
... Sorry, there was some talk before about agents giving referrals only while the corporation standing is below the maximum level supported by the given agent. Suggestions were made in order to get more referrals one should fail missions on purpose to get the standing below maximum 'supported' limit, then do more missions in order to trigger referral missions...
(at some subconscious level something tells me am not making much sense here... if 'tis the case i apologize and blame it on the time of writing -- 4 am here, and am about to hit the sack presuming i bother and manage to crawl to it first >>;;
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 03:32:00 -
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Quote:
"j0 - i dont see what you're saying."
... Sorry, there was some talk before about agents giving referrals only while the corporation standing is below the maximum level supported by the given agent. Suggestions were made in order to get more referrals one should fail missions on purpose to get the standing below maximum 'supported' limit, then do more missions in order to trigger referral missions...
(at some subconscious level something tells me am not making much sense here... if 'tis the case i apologize and blame it on the time of writing -- 4 am here, and am about to hit the sack presuming i bother and manage to crawl to it first >>;;
AH ok - i get ya now.
I totally agree - i see no benefit at all in failing missions.. AFAICT it only has negative effects and any "links" to spontaneously stimulating an implant or agent are fluke or wishful thinking.
(Though it does raise a question about triggers again)
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Uxinn
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Posted - 2003.10.12 08:28:00 -
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/me is verry interested to know your formulae?
I got social lvl3, Charisma 8
Agent is +18%, standing +10%
corp & faction standings are maxed out at 6
Cheers,
Uxinn
cheers,
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.12 09:36:00 -
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Theres no benefit in failing missions (unless its buggy), but there are in rejecting them, so that you can perhaps get a new mission, perhaps better, perhaps offering an implant.
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Fantome
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Posted - 2003.10.12 21:34:00 -
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lo
what about :
charisma 16 / social 4 / awesome (10%, 10%)
how many mission ? 
cheers
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 22:00:00 -
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folks its all vague "guestimates" without knowing your per-mission standing increase (with the corp will do, and, yes, i know that can vary but take the current one).
fwiw Ive got another two BP mission "guesses" right, one with 1 mission the other within 7.
So looks like its vaguely accurate.
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Eldene
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Posted - 2003.10.14 11:41:00 -
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For information:
My level 3 agent is +14%/+10%, and I have charisma 12 / Social skill 4.
I was offered the BP mission after 291 successful missions with 1 failure (bug!).
Had to kill seven 40k & ten 10k rats before I could grab the 'stone'. There where four 40k's left and they kept spawning in.
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Draka
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:10:00 -
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Morkt - in my case ya was spot on - Mission 256 was the Golden Ring.
CEO
The Cinnaban Order
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 20:51:00 -
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Quote:
Morkt - in my case ya was spot on - Mission 256 was the Golden Ring.
Cheers, Ive had about half a dozen feedbacks so far and all fo them were pretty much on the mark..
the only exception is poor old Xcyborg who is clocking beyond 500 now and still hasnt gotten the bp mission...
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Antoinette
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:03:00 -
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Quote:
We dont know/cant yet work out, the effects of bribes, fails and refusals.
Refusals and bribes we really dont know other than refusals have "some" , "smallish", negative effect... we arent even sure bribes has any effect on attaining the BP mission or otehr agent referals... I rather suspect it doesn't. (Way too easy a way around things)
I experimented on that.
I had a new level2 agent. <loop>bribed him 300K or 200K, done mission</loop>. until I had given him 1.1M total, raising the standings as 62 missions would have done.
Well, I still had to do 77 missions to get referred to a L3.
(btw, social 3 charisma 9 at start, social 4 charisma 10 at the end of the 77 missions)
I wished I weren't that curious, because the only effect of this experiment is my amarr standing decreased more than necessary..
(and I lost 1.1 Mill, but that's nothing)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.17 03:01:00 -
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Thanks for that info!
We figured that was probably the case for bribes as otherwise it would be just "too" simple to get agent faction up and thus referals/rewards.
Still its nice to have some solid info on it for a change.
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.10.17 10:55:00 -
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lvl 4 social, 20 charisma, awesome lvl 3 agent.
Miner 2 BP mission in 253 missions. cheers :)
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Zvavos d'long
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Posted - 2003.10.17 11:37:00 -
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Way to go dude.
Oh my god they killed -
Zvavos
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No one can hear your screams in space
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.17 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 17/10/2003 11:56:01
Fudge. My Charisma is at 8 (with an Implant), my Social skill at 1 and my agent is (+19% +10%). I bet when I am at mission 620 the system will change and they'll all not count...
Edit: Corp standing at 5.6
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Pirindolo
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Posted - 2003.10.17 13:55:00 -
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hum...what about those people who have completed 400 or 500 missions, with 15+ charisma, 4+ social, amazing standings with the agent, his corp and his faction, and didn't get any BP yet??????????
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:09:00 -
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well as people already said before in this thread, any missions completed before about the time of the patch that introduced the implants don't seem to count towards getting a BP
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Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Coldfire
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Posted - 2003.10.17 17:07:00 -
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how many missions for me with a lvl 3 agent with +4 standing, my charisma is 15 and social is 4
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.17 18:14:00 -
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Social skill lvl5 charisma 20, how about that blueprint? 
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.10.18 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sabahl on 18/10/2003 01:09:17
As Morkt pointed out on the channel a few days ago the formula is simply this...
20 / (faction standing increase per mission)
So the best way to find out how many missions you require is to see how much your faction standing increases over about 10 missions (either with faction or with your corporation so you are screwed if you have maxed both already), average it down to standing increase per mission and divide it into twenty. Bingo, you get your result.
Just about worked for me with a 0.073 increase per mission. My agent gave me my Miner 2 BP tonight at mission 274.
And here's soemthing interesting. I don't thinki Charisma does have an effect unless it is a static calculation done by the system when attempting to determine if it should give you a certain mission at a certain number o completions. Why? Because I plugged in a Cha +3 implant at 50 missions completed and I don;t believe the faction increase per mission changed at all.
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Antoinette
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Posted - 2003.10.18 11:58:00 -
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20 / (faction standing increase per mission)
oh really, good to know.
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Just about worked for me with a 0.073 increase per mission. My agent gave me my Miner 2 BP tonight at mission 274.
why is my faction standing only increase by 0.024 every mission (measured over 5 missions, only though) ?
I have social 4, charisma 10+3, faction is republic, corp republic fleet, the agent is a L3 -15%, and my faction standing was at 4.24 at the start.
it's a huge difference, too huge to be just random..
and if it means everything is gonna be 3 times slower for me than it was for you, it's too unfair 
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And here's soemthing interesting. I don't thinki Charisma does have an effect
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Why? Because I plugged in a Cha +3 implant at 50 missions completed and I don;t believe the faction increase per mission changed at all.
but a few percents boost (e.g. +3 / 20 = 15%) could be hard to detect on just 10 missions. (or, there could be bloody rounding taking place somewhere that makes everything happen in steps..) |
Camar
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Camar on 18/10/2003 17:31:21
If that formula was right, I'd be looking at 400+ missions to get that bp-mission.
But got mine at 272 mission...
My stats was;
Charisma 15 (+3 implant)
Social 4
Agentquality -14%
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.10.18 21:24:00 -
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Camar - And what was your faction increase per mission? All those stats you posted are irrelevent.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.19 18:05:00 -
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My agent standing was maxed out after 5 missions, what are you saying, this would be a bad thing?
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Camar
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Posted - 2003.10.19 18:44:00 -
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I got about 0.01-0.03 for each mission...
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Julius Caligari
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:02:00 -
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Got my BP at mission 262.
No idea what my factional gain was though.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:16:00 -
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I got about 0.01-0.03 for each mission...
That's "faction standing"
You need "agent-standing" which we believe to be roughly equivalent to Corp-standing.
20/agent-standing per mission (or corp-standing per mission)
Problem is that most people max their corp standing at the cap (2x agent level) before they tend to keep track of the increase.
once you are at corp-standing 6 for your level 3 agent you cant work it out anymore as it wont rise again (its capped).
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:51:00 -
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Morkt any idea if the agent's quality (-17% to +17%) changes the amount of corp rating u gain ? cause with social 4 and charisma 14 i get +0.06 per mission from my lvl 3 (poor quality) minmi agent :/
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:53:00 -
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Just the standing rating as far as we could tell.
Quality didnt seem to affect anything other than ISK reward value from what i can tell.
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Camar
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Posted - 2003.10.20 02:49:00 -
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Ah, sorry Morkt.
Well, after I had declined one mission it would drop to around 5.94.
In general I gained about 0.4 - 0.5/mission.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.20 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 20/10/2003 03:01:30
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Ah, sorry Morkt.
Well, after I had declined one mission it would drop to around 5.94.
In general I gained about 0.4 - 0.5/mission.
You got more than that
we think the minimum you can get is 0.4.
ATEOTD is a bit redundant now as the new mission system is different...
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Attica
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Posted - 2003.10.20 03:02:00 -
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I just got my agent BP reward at mission 258. The agent had no rating such as abysmal or good etc etc. she was just a good agent when I started and I worked her up to Excellent which is as far as she is going to go I think. I have charisma 17 and social 5. I had social 5 before I started with her and got charisma to 17 by about the 120th mission. Hope this helps.
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Camar
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Posted - 2003.10.20 11:47:00 -
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Well, since I can't really remember I won't say for sure, but I do know he gave me very little each time.
I even talked to other players about it and was getting a bit confused about they gaining that much etc etc.
But still, according to a friend who calculated it he was off by 3.8 mission.
(Calculations said 268.2)
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Desius
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Posted - 2003.10.21 04:08:00 -
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hmmmm... There has to be some way to figure out the faction gain by using the charisma, social skills, and perhaps agent standing?
I'm one of those people who didn't read this message until I had already maxed out my agent at 10% personal agent faction and 6.0 corporate faction. and that was somewhere around mission #50-60 for him. (started at 4.0 from my level 2 agent's cap)
If I remember correctly the faction gains weren't linear either... they started fairly small and increased as the agent's faction (the one that caps at 10% went up) I've failed one mission due to a bug and it dropped me from 6.0 to 5.92 - the next mission raised me to 5.96, and then somewhere at or above 6.0 so I'm just stuck guessing at this point. (not a big enough data set to figure anything precice)
The only thing I could infer so far would be the number of missions it took to cap at 6.0 originally... 50 missions would be at the .04 range... 60 would've been the 0.0333_ if it was 0.04 - I can look forward to having to do @500 missions???? someone please tell me I'm figuring this wrong. I'd like a chance at an original miner2 BP before they disappear.
for anyone trying to figure gains and for what it's worth, my charisma is 11, social skill 3, agent is +19%/+10% now
someone give me some insights here
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Desius
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Posted - 2003.10.21 22:48:00 -
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Well for some reason my charisma went from 11 to 15 when I plugged in an implant. (see above post) will this maybe lower the number of missions I need to complete to get a blueprint?
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