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Perrin Aybara
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:43:00 -
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I got tired of being attacked every now and then in Caldari space while working for my Gallente agent, thus I switched to a CONCORD agent to get some faction up.
I't s reported that CONCORD dosn't give implants (or so I hear), but have anyone get the BP mission from em?
The notion of having basicly +6.0 standing to all "goodguy" factions after doing 250-300 lvl3 missions appeal to my sence of glory.
Allso, have anyone experianced a differance of being a member of the corp your agent belong to or not?
(charisma 15, social4)
Cheers; Lord Goldeneyes
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Flaloch
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Posted - 2003.10.11 00:13:00 -
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Ok Ok
22 charisma
4 social
4 criminal connections
4 negotiations
agent (+18, +10%, +10% negot.)
*rubs the lamp*
"The people expected it of me and I had got to do it; I could feel their two thousand wills pressing me forward, irresistibly. "
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.11 00:20:00 -
[33]
 Quote:
Ok Ok
22 charisma
4 social
4 criminal connections
4 negotiations
agent (+18, +10%, +10% negot.)
*rubs the lamp*
Holy Catfish Batman...
blimmey...
low 200's mate... very low... might even break 200
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jide
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Posted - 2003.10.11 01:27:00 -
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ok, ok, my turn, plz:
social: 3
charisma: 13
and Caldari agent is:
Mediocre (agent -18%, standing +10%)
6.00 with his corp and 6.00 with Caldari
I've succeeded 338 missions with him already, failed 6, and probably refused about a dozen.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2003.10.11 10:25:00 -
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Here's my stats...
Charisma 14
Social lvl 4
Agent -18% / +10% Mediocre
done 233 missions, failed 1, refused a whole lot. Kept bribing her to keep my faction and corp standing over 5.5, now at 6.0 again.
Have received 1 referral to an awesome lvl 3 agent from her. Also keep getting implants at regurlar intervals, received over 10 by now.
Refusing missions even seem to help in getting implants. Refused 4 in a row and got an implant.
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Zvavos d'long
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:50:00 -
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What about just hand out the formula, then we can all calculate our own 
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:40:00 -
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I just curious how you can possibly think you have the formula, what with all the unknown variables and things.
I'm most curious about why you think charisma has an effect on the outcome when no other attributes have any sort of effects on any other game mechanics.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.11 13:36:00 -
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Failures we think are a simple 3 to 1 ratio (need 3 successes to make up for a failure) but thats a guestimate.
It is 2.5. Now I want the rest of the formula 
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Aissa
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Posted - 2003.10.11 15:05:00 -
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heh
Sell the info Morkt
~Aissa
Nomad, Dictionary and Encyclopedia of The Regulators |
Coretheus
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Posted - 2003.10.11 18:41:00 -
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Tell my future ;)
Charisma 22, social lvl 5 with a +8% agent
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.11 21:40:00 -
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I just curious how you can possibly think you have the formula, what with all the unknown variables and things.
I'm most curious about why you think charisma has an effect on the outcome when no other attributes have any sort of effects on any other game mechanics.
I agree with Lola.
I find it impossible to believe, given the limited number of people who have received BPs, that Morkt has an accurate formula for the missioncount unless Papa Smurf let Morkt see the game code. Highly unlikely. There simply isn't enough data with which to base a formula on.
And the person Temujin mentioned is up to 300 missions. (14 char 4 social) - And almost all of his L3 missions were recent.
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Ezra Cornell
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Wodka
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Posted - 2003.10.11 22:48:00 -
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how many times has this to be told b4 ppl finnally realize charisma does jack for youre agent it means NOTHING to him al that agents " care" about are youre skills end of it. charisma only speeds skills up you need for agents.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.11 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 11/10/2003 22:53:25
/me shrugs
Its works ok for me.
Fwiw I have never said i have the "formula" nor that it is 100% accurate. It is, however, a reasonable ballpark system.
Feel free to diss it and me at leisure. I'll continue to get agents and missions as anticipated and accept your far more accurate formulae as to how I cannot possibly be right.
(I guess I have the luxury of having allready obtained BPs so as not too really care much either way.)
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.11 23:38:00 -
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Morkt, do you think you could make a post on Agents.
Like how many missions apprx leads to the next level, strategies for maximizing rewards etc, how long it should take you to do x number of missions for level x agent.
You seem to know a lot about agents now, and it would be a lot of help to educate those of us who are having a hard time with agents. (I have a bunch of level 3's but they are all from the same corp, and scattered around far away from each other and 200-300 missions for a BP seems like it would take a month to get)
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:01:00 -
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Can do, only thing to bear in mind is that my "agent philosophy" is centered entirely on results, not generating ISK.
(BTW atm ive deliberatley hampered faction to see if referals are "influenced" by faction standing levels... can give a answer to that issue in an hour or so)
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:13:00 -
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That doesnt bother me, as I think everyone is in it for the prizes anyway.
Personally, your knowledge can help quite a lot of people here, especially newb players anc corps as they are the most likely to do agent missions in the beggining. I really hope that these new guys will get rare BP's and items and start to compete against Mega corporations.
My strategy at first was to as many missions for one agent to move to the top, I have 4+ Duvolle Labs level 2 agents, 4 Duvolle Labs level 3 agents, but they are all so far away from eachother that doing 18 missions or so to get an implant mission would take forever, and after every mission, traveling to another lvl 3 agent takes more than 15 mins.........and well, to make it short, I need to get a better system.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:24:00 -
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Well - the entire system is about to change when it goes to corporation based standings in anycase... at that point its a whole new ballgame.
Unfortunately those having built up a wide netwrok of agents may find themselves somewhat disgruntled by the changes, as, from chaos info, ti looks like holding a certain standing within a corp enables all agents in that corp who accept that range:
i.e. If you have Ishukone Corp Standing 4 you will get access to all Ishukone level 1 and 2 agents (so long as you maintain that standing).
There seems to be benefits to that system over what we have now but, as with any change, there are those who will feel as though previous work has gone to waste.
Im a bit laothe to write up a system for the current system which may result in X players finding themselves "at a loss" when the new system comes in... whenever...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.12 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 12/10/2003 00:41:18
"i.e. If you have Ishukone Corp Standing 4 you will get access to all Ishukone level 1 and 2 agents (so long as you maintain that standing)."
... Am looking forward to this actually; will certainly help to cut down time needed to establish some useful net of agents....
And yes, it seems consistent with the info previously given by Papa Smurf on how this new system is going to work.. so no one old to agent missions and serious about them can say they weren't aware 'tis supposed to happen ;s
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BTW atm ive deliberatley hampered faction to see if referals are "influenced" by faction standing levels... can give a answer to that issue in an hour or so)
... I had lvl.2 agent give me referrals when i got back to her long time after my corporate faction was already raised to 6.0 (i left her as soon as she gave me first referral to lvl.3 since it was in completely different region) So would say the whole theory about effects of losing and regaining faction is somewhat how to put it, unfounded? o.o;
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 01:55:00 -
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... I had lvl.2 agent give me referrals when i got back to her long time after my corporate faction was already raised to 6.0 (i left her as soon as she gave me first referral to lvl.3 since it was in completely different region) So would say the whole theory about effects of losing and regaining faction is somewhat how to put it, unfounded? o.o;
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j0 - i dont see what you're saying.
I was talking about faction standing possibly limiting agent referal - again though the issue of its being a "trigger" only or a constant requirement comes into play.
i.e. if its a trigger it only has to be sent once..anything that happens after that is irrelevant. If its a constant then its required to be there all the time.
Of course you caould say the same about corporation standing also... will you get another agent referal if your corp standing drops below the cap? (testable but i dont think many have)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.12 02:08:00 -
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"j0 - i dont see what you're saying."
... Sorry, there was some talk before about agents giving referrals only while the corporation standing is below the maximum level supported by the given agent. Suggestions were made in order to get more referrals one should fail missions on purpose to get the standing below maximum 'supported' limit, then do more missions in order to trigger referral missions...
(at some subconscious level something tells me am not making much sense here... if 'tis the case i apologize and blame it on the time of writing -- 4 am here, and am about to hit the sack presuming i bother and manage to crawl to it first >>;;
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 03:32:00 -
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"j0 - i dont see what you're saying."
... Sorry, there was some talk before about agents giving referrals only while the corporation standing is below the maximum level supported by the given agent. Suggestions were made in order to get more referrals one should fail missions on purpose to get the standing below maximum 'supported' limit, then do more missions in order to trigger referral missions...
(at some subconscious level something tells me am not making much sense here... if 'tis the case i apologize and blame it on the time of writing -- 4 am here, and am about to hit the sack presuming i bother and manage to crawl to it first >>;;
AH ok - i get ya now.
I totally agree - i see no benefit at all in failing missions.. AFAICT it only has negative effects and any "links" to spontaneously stimulating an implant or agent are fluke or wishful thinking.
(Though it does raise a question about triggers again)
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Uxinn
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Posted - 2003.10.12 08:28:00 -
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/me is verry interested to know your formulae?
I got social lvl3, Charisma 8
Agent is +18%, standing +10%
corp & faction standings are maxed out at 6
Cheers,
Uxinn
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.12 09:36:00 -
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Theres no benefit in failing missions (unless its buggy), but there are in rejecting them, so that you can perhaps get a new mission, perhaps better, perhaps offering an implant.
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Fantome
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Posted - 2003.10.12 21:34:00 -
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lo
what about :
charisma 16 / social 4 / awesome (10%, 10%)
how many mission ? 
cheers
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.12 22:00:00 -
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folks its all vague "guestimates" without knowing your per-mission standing increase (with the corp will do, and, yes, i know that can vary but take the current one).
fwiw Ive got another two BP mission "guesses" right, one with 1 mission the other within 7.
So looks like its vaguely accurate.
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Eldene
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Posted - 2003.10.14 11:41:00 -
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For information:
My level 3 agent is +14%/+10%, and I have charisma 12 / Social skill 4.
I was offered the BP mission after 291 successful missions with 1 failure (bug!).
Had to kill seven 40k & ten 10k rats before I could grab the 'stone'. There where four 40k's left and they kept spawning in.
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Draka
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:10:00 -
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Morkt - in my case ya was spot on - Mission 256 was the Golden Ring.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 20:51:00 -
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Morkt - in my case ya was spot on - Mission 256 was the Golden Ring.
Cheers, Ive had about half a dozen feedbacks so far and all fo them were pretty much on the mark..
the only exception is poor old Xcyborg who is clocking beyond 500 now and still hasnt gotten the bp mission...
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Antoinette
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:03:00 -
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We dont know/cant yet work out, the effects of bribes, fails and refusals.
Refusals and bribes we really dont know other than refusals have "some" , "smallish", negative effect... we arent even sure bribes has any effect on attaining the BP mission or otehr agent referals... I rather suspect it doesn't. (Way too easy a way around things)
I experimented on that.
I had a new level2 agent. <loop>bribed him 300K or 200K, done mission</loop>. until I had given him 1.1M total, raising the standings as 62 missions would have done.
Well, I still had to do 77 missions to get referred to a L3.
(btw, social 3 charisma 9 at start, social 4 charisma 10 at the end of the 77 missions)
I wished I weren't that curious, because the only effect of this experiment is my amarr standing decreased more than necessary..
(and I lost 1.1 Mill, but that's nothing)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.17 03:01:00 -
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Thanks for that info!
We figured that was probably the case for bribes as otherwise it would be just "too" simple to get agent faction up and thus referals/rewards.
Still its nice to have some solid info on it for a change.
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