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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mung Lore on 15/08/2006 11:27:08
Edited by: Mung Lore on 15/08/2006 11:25:47
Let me tell youÆre a story on why, I started this IPO. All I ever wanted out of this IPO is to make my investors happy, because itÆs the one thing I never done in this game yet, was dealing with the shares and the market place. It was not only new but fun for me at first, how it can be done, but there is always a trust issue
I started this IPO wanting to do one thing, production. IÆve never done tech 2 production before, but had the skills to I even pulled my main û main in to the corporation. Mung is older now and is able to do it on his own.
Now the way I started this IPO I could have done it a few ways, could of turned to the public and asked them like norm IPO but right after a major scam has took place I think the trust issue would be a prob. EIB had the IPO inc thing and I looked and talked it over with Cally, and it was only 4% a month I need to pay and they will almost sale my shares for my and make my life a lot easier.
IÆm not sorry for joining EIB itÆs the best thing I could have done back then. So yes I think that IÆm one of the people who mad UEMA fail by joining. But I did what I at the time was right.
Everything was fine up to the point of when Cally went afk, and didnÆt return. I didnÆt have access to my money then to grow UEMA to what I wanted. See I wanted to see how high I could get UEMA shares. Could I turn them 1mil per share to 10mil? I was going to try. But I need the isk to do so to grow and buy new prints.
When I found out that I may not be able to get the isk from Cally for a few weeks or so, I started to ask some friends if they had any blueprints around doing nothing. A good friend of mine, did, he had 3 blueprints that he let me use for a few weeks, a minmatar service outpost platform blueprint, capital shield booster i blueprint, capital shield transporter i blueprint. All 3 blueprints were being lent to me to use for a few weeks.
After Building them, and making copys of the outpost BPO (witch would of made a easy 100mil to 300mil a month profit selling BPCÆs). I found out that is wasnÆt enough to make me happy or my investors happy. I did some research and found out that there really isnÆt anything I could do but call a vote, and ask to leave the contract with EIB and go on my own.
Well I did, not only did I do it 3 times, but ALL 3 times passed, I donÆt know if there is a bug with the voting system or not but I do know no one person has ask me why, or ask me what I would do, how would I do it, or if I fell this was best for UEMA. NOT ONCE!
Because Cally didnÆt wont to give the isk from UEMA over to UEMA he came up with stories and what not how he canÆt sign on. Well ok, I waited, waited. Then there was enough waiting EIB is doing UEMA wrong by keeping that. I know how after talks with the GMÆs that Kal D'vogh, is in fact Cally. I think he saving face with hem self by making up some big story on what happen with the ôCallyö so he can save his own ass, and also make hem self look like a bad ass.
I have a few questions, If Kal DÆvogh is how would he take control over the UEMA with out the use of Callys account? The only way is to log on the EIB OfficialUEMO char and cast a vote for CEO, that char is the only char in this game that so, so if he wants to take control and if he isnt cally he has to brake the rules of this game to do so, as in ACCOUNT SHAREING with Cally.
Yesterday EIB OfficialUEMO logged on and called the vote to run for CEO. If ôCallyö isnÆt is in jail or isnÆt active or canÆt log on, how did this char log on right before Kal DÆvogh said he was going to take control over UEMA.
Now I canÆt say that for sure, because IÆm not sure, but the GM are looking in to it as I was told and this could take a few days from what IÆm told. But if Kal is a different person from Cally, the he would get his self banned for account sharing also Callys accounts would get banned also.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:18:00 -
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If this happens and a lot of people lose there investment with EIB IÆm sorry, but itÆs the right thing to do and it has to be done. He is on a power trip and needs to know not every one will fall under hem and kiss his ass.
Right now all I want out of UEMA are the 3 blueprints listed above that are not EIB or UEMA but a friend of mine, in witch EMFI knows and can conform this at any time.
I know that as the CEO of UEMA I failed UEMA. I picked the wrong path back then when picking to go with EIB but I still did pick that path. IÆm sorry to my investors.
At this point EIB stands to make a lot of money off UEMA because ôthere contractö that that was voted out of, and in VOID right now. They will prob still use and only give back 75% not even that.
I tried to do all that I could with the power I had to get what I could so I can make my investors happy. But looks everyone is just trying to save there own ass right now and donÆt give a crap about there investors. I believe now my investors know that I donÆt give a crap about saving my own ass that IÆll do what is needed for my investors. (well the smart ones know).
I end this by saying IÆm sorry to all my investors, IÆm sorry for everything IÆve done that may of caused this to happen to UEMA, and as investors of UEMA I ask one last thing. Do what it in your power to help get the 3 blueprints back into my hands so that I can return them.
Mminmatar service outpost platform blueprint
Capital shield booster i blueprint
Capital shield transporter i blueprint
Everything else goes back to the investors.
I will be removing my self as CEO of UEMA as soon as the servers come back up in a sign of good faith to EIB to return them 3 blueprints. I will also put all remaining shares I own into the wallet of EIB OfficialUEMO.
The only thing I ask is for them 3 bluerpints.
Mung Lore
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Kal D'vogh
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:28:00 -
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I will audit the UEMA to determine what exactly remains and see if figures match up.
If you have not stolen UEMA assets and everything is accounted for then the 3 blueprints will be returned to you.
If however things don't match up, they will be confiscated and go towards reimbursing whatever is missing from the UEMA.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:31:00 -
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Kal you dont get it, the 3 blueprints are not your to do what your pleace to do with. They should be returned.
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Kal D'vogh
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:36:00 -
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I never said they were, but the situation is this. If you have emptied the corporation, the EIB stands to lose money because we will have to reimburse the investors.
Because you are unlikely to just hand over something you have stolen should that be the case, then I will do all in my power to recoup any such losses, including liquidating assets that have been entrusted to you that I can access.
It will just mean that if you have infact taken anything you shouldn't have, you will have to use what you took and reimburse your creditor with that.
If you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. The blueprints will be returned to you.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:38:00 -
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by you even taking control over UEMA your you braking them own rules of your becouse your using the shares that was entrusted in to EIB not you.
Hand them bluerpints over to EMFI then, becouse they are not ether of ours blueprints to deal with. You have no right and I hope the investors see this and take action.
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Kal D'vogh
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:53:00 -
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Remember when you removed the roles of our bot in UEMA??? that was when the contract was broken on your part.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mung Lore on 15/08/2006 11:56:48
the contract end the sec this vote pasted, I'm sorry your worng.
operating without moderation by EIB (LEAVE EIB) 98.2666666667 % (98.2666666667/100.0)
operating with moderation by EIB (STAY WITH EIB) 1.73333333333 % (1.73333333333/100.0)
PS. roles was removed if you look at the logs after the 3rd vote was passed. Thanks. I will post screen shot of audit log for ya.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mung Lore on 15/08/2006 12:03:38
Quote from the EIB/UEMA contract.
 Originally by: UEMA/EIB Contract
Vote of confidence
If at anytime after phase 1, a majority shareholders votes in favour of the UEMA operating without moderation, the EIB will cease to have a presence in UEMA operations.
In this event, all remaining shares, liquid capital, and assets belonging to the UEMA that are held in trust by the EIB will be returned to full UEMA ownership.
if that isnt enought, your baking this one also..
Originally by: UEMA/EIB Contract
This EIB official will also hold all remaining unsold shares and corporate held shares in trust
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:12:00 -
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http://www.eve-wallstreet.com/scam/screen%20shot.PNG
here is alink of when I first signed on and found EIB (CALLYS) bot, now if Kal isnt Cally then he is braking rules by signing on this char, but if no rules are boken, then Kal is cally.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:13:00 -
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Totally offtopic:
Seriously, thank you for fighting this battle in forums! What other game has to offer the same freedom, these intense dramas in our daily soap opera?
Here the players invented the whole stock market and brokers. And now we have even hostile takeover, with 'investors' firing the CEO.
We already have auditors; whose up for offering counseling to the parties for a hefty fee? Like arguing about semantics of the contract, validity of bugged votes, intentions and such. I dare not name this next Eve profession in fear of the profanity filter.
-Lasse
grapping his popcorns
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: [url="http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp"
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp[/url]]
You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:32:00 -
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Cally hem self said public that he will transfer all the stuff back to UEMA in this post.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371244
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:34:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369077&page=2http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369077&page=2
And a team speak convo that EMFI can conferm took place when I ask if I can remove all rules from that char, Cally said ok to.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mung Lore
Yesterday EIB OfficialUEMO logged on and called the vote to run for CEO. If ôCallyö isnÆt is in jail or isnÆt active or canÆt log on, how did this char log on right before Kal DÆvogh said he was going to take control over UEMA.
Its pretty simple: they're sharing accounts.
--[23] Member--
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:54:00 -
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Easy solution. Petition the alleged EULA violation. GMs will investigate and act accordingly. If the account is banned, he can't make off with your friends' blueprints.
Recruiting
Casino - Monitor Thread |
Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:56:00 -
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no not really if the accounts get baned it proves what the accounted was being used and they will reverse the votes and make me CEO (if the CEO vote has past, the BPO's are still under lock down.
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Deovina
Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.15 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Erfnam
Easy solution. Petition the alleged EULA violation. GMs will investigate and act accordingly. If the account is banned, he can't make off with your friends' blueprints.
If CCP actually ban people for account sharing they are going to lock very hypocritical.
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Pete Wilson
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.08.15 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deovina
Originally by: Erfnam
Easy solution. Petition the alleged EULA violation. GMs will investigate and act accordingly. If the account is banned, he can't make off with your friends' blueprints.
If CCP actually ban people for account sharing they are going to lock very hypocritical.
Why?
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 14:12:00 -
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Pete Wilson = a 2 day alt, made by (guss) Kal to make his store more "real" and to have someone on his side.
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Zulef
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Posted - 2006.08.15 14:19:00 -
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Actually Mung, Pete Wilson has been backing your side up in the "EIB Official Statement" thread.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=379097&page=2#43
Now you launch an uprovoked attack on him. It's always best to check your facts before blatant accusations.
I'm not an alt, I just don't have a face. |
Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.15 15:52:00 -
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I'm sorry then :( got conferzed (sorry can't spell)
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JP Moregain
Gallente
Moregain Guaranty Trust
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Erfnam
Easy solution. Petition the alleged EULA violation. GMs will investigate and act accordingly. If the account is banned, he can't make off with your friends' blueprints.
It would appear that things are headed in this direction. Note that Ivan has put the padlocks on the "EIB Offical Statement" thread "pending investigation by the GM's"
JP
"In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..." |
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:23:00 -
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Please do not discuss moderation, nor speculate on bans.
eve-crc.net | forum rules |[email protected] |
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Naphtalia
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:15:00 -
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Hi All... if I say I am using EMFi Manager on the forums and if I say that EMFi Manager is on a different account, and if I say that I am sharing EMFi Manager together with Seleene... all saying this on the forums... And lets assume I am lying, and EMFi Manager is on my own account, and I don't share it with anyone... is me saying it on the forums proof of me breaking the EULA or am I just lying to evecharacters like 100's of other people do every day on the forums?
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Hi All... if I say I am using EMFi Manager on the forums and if I say that EMFi Manager is on a different account, and if I say that I am sharing EMFi Manager together with Seleene... all saying this on the forums... And lets assume I am lying, and EMFi Manager is on my own account, and I don't share it with anyone... is me saying it on the forums proof of me breaking the EULA or am I just lying to evecharacters like 100's of other people do every day on the forums?
OMG you R the lyzor! Nobody ever lies on teh intraweb!1!...Oh, wait a minute...
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Shassandra
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Ludicrous example of toying with rules
You saying you were sharing an account with someone else, I.E. someone who is not the name of the person who made the account, is proof enough for the GM's to investigate. If you then indeed is sharing an account, with someone who is not the creator of the account, then it is indeed bannable, and you well know this Naph, so quit acting stupid.
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:31:00 -
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If I ask a question, disguised as a statement, wrapped with inneundo, about something quasi on-topic, but in reality off-topic, and use no periods, but lots of ellipses and commas, will I be able to make my point and completely confuse everyone, but give myself room to hedge if the trial balloon doesn't work?
Originally by: Naphtalia
Hi All... if I say I am using EMFi Manager on the forums and if I say that EMFi Manager is on a different account, and if I say that I am sharing EMFi Manager together with Seleene... all saying this on the forums... And lets assume I am lying, and EMFi Manager is on my own account, and I don't share it with anyone... is me saying it on the forums proof of me breaking the EULA or am I just lying to evecharacters like 100's of other people do every day on the forums?
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Naphtalia
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shassandra
Originally by: Naphtalia
Ludicrous example of toying with rules
You saying you were sharing an account with someone else, I.E. someone who is not the name of the person who made the account, is proof enough for the XXX to investigate. If you then indeed is sharing an account, with someone who is not the creator of the account, then it is indeed xxxx, and you well know this Naph, so quit acting stupid.
Oh oh I know this... I am just relating to Mung that claims that writing that you did something on the forums is proof that you did it and will cause a certain action by someone in Power.
I beleive that the people in Power will (have to) find independant supporting evidence besides someone claiming on the forums they broke a rule.
If I claim I killed someone in 1.0 and avoided Concord using an exploit it may cause the Powers to investigate me... but the claim in itself won't cause a fatal action to be taken by the powers :)
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Shassandra
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:39:00 -
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Hmm, let's take a real world example. I go on a plane and say "I have a bomb" what happens? One-way ticket to jail and a huge fine. I.E. an investigation occurs, just by a statement.
In Eve? I say "I'm account sharing", what happens? The powers that be (CCP/GM's) investigate simply to see "is it true or not". Why? Because that's what they're here for, making sure that the rules aren't broken and in cases they are, fix it.
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