Hence the need to nerf logi so they can actually hurt us.

If by "hurt us" you mean that they can wipe out your fleet and keep their claimed system for which they fought hard, nerfed logi could help. If by "hurt us" you mean "you killed a couple of BS/Cruiser/Battlecruiser/Bomber/T3, we take the system anyways because we can just replace them with more", nerfed logi are completely irrelevant.

How many BS worth of DPS do you envision should be enough to break through "nerfed" logi reps?

50 suicide blaster raxes should be able to cause a good deal of damage when dumped on a baltec fleet at 0. Sure you probably won't win the grid but you will have caused a lot of damage and in a war of attrition causing more damage to the enemy has won many wars in the past in this game before logistics became a big thing.

I wonder who's suffering from attrition here. I remember the days in Curse in G-0 when we day in/day out Bomber Bombed TEST and later CFC during their stay there. None of them left or showed any sign of attrition, however, we couldn't make proper ISK to replace our lost bombers. Not to mention that our bombers were worth as much as 3-4 ships we bombed. Not exactly wearing. And now imagine a small sov holder, who has to pay sov bills and make money in camped systems, fighting against an entity with system independent income (renting), larger numbers and vast replacement capabilties. That's not exactly the attrition I think you are talking about.

*me thinks the topic is drifting off-grid*

Heres a solution stop playing in giant idiot blobs. I assure you the game is alot more fun when you don't have to listen to 1 guy tell you what to do.

Fights under 20 are where its at. Anything above are usually full of morons who can't think for themself.

Us morons hold half of EVE and bring high sec to its knees whenever we feel like it.

50 suicide blaster raxes should be able to cause a good deal of damage when dumped on a baltec fleet at 0. Sure you probably won't win the grid but you will have caused a lot of damage and in a war of attrition causing more damage to the enemy has won many wars in the past in this game before logistics became a big thing.

I would LOVE to see something like this used as a tactic. Sadly, though, I don't think we'll ever see it happen. The variety of viable tactics and ships on all scales needs to be looked at in detail by the developers.

Edit: I'd just like to clarify and say that I'm glad that most of the changes have taken place recently have gone through, but I feel like they're half done. Anything larger than a cruiser, though, feels like it's been left in the dust by the recent changes and battleships in particular just feel kind of useless in pvp. I know goonswarm has made good use of the Baltec fleet megathron, but everytime I've seen battleships land on grid in a fleet fight, they're massacred. Kiters and snipers are fun, but good old brawling is a hoot sometimes. The sad thing though is that brawlers just feel left in the dust.

I don't know exactly how this turned into "nerf logi", but seriously, nerf logi. And this is coming from someone who has Logistics trained to five.

Every Ship will alpha you when you got the right mass of players. It-¦s not a question of the ship type its a question of the amount of players. And why is it op when 200 players shoot at you and you die, its okay because there are 199 player more than you.

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This is kind of ridiculous: evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4628&b=6197490&e=1680&t=bfbberf

The only real counter to tengus in blob warfare (as in can take them with even numbers) is more tengus. Their tank is completely silly.

Sooo...the side with fewer tengus held the field and did it in part by using damps on the tengus....they also won the isk war and got an R64.

But somehow a tengu fleet is beaten only by a bigger tengu fleet....

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