Two words; Fire Wall.

Firewalling doesn't stop rails.

That said, anything attacking in the hundreds seems overpowered. And railgus are some of the few ships that can be totally disabled by void bombers.

This is kind of ridiculous: evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4628&b=6197490&e=1680&t=bfbberf

The only real counter to tengus in blob warfare (as in can take them with even numbers) is more tengus. Their tank is completely silly.

ROFLMAO.

Now, that people don't use Ishtars anymore

If you're able to land void bombs on railgus you're able to land normal bombs on railgus. At which point you're killing an entire fleet with a single bomb run + they lose skill points. If this happens several times a week you severly cripple the effectiveness of the tengu fleet.

Wait what?

Not in my neck of the woods.

As someone who regularly solo blitzes lvl 5s in a tengu, I can attest to the veracity of the statement that the tengu is indeed, 'OP'.

Simple solution.
Reduce max fleet size to around 120 people.

With the right fits and a lot of money tengus are hard to kill but dang it, if I drop 2.5 billion on mods and even more on implants I expect it to be hard to kill.

Everything is op.

Blasters op
Tengus op
Ishtar op
Drones op
Falcon op
Logi op
FCs with more than half brain op
Friends op
Legion not op. Buff the Legion.

Every Ship will alpha you when you got the right mass of players. It-¦s not a question of the ship type its a question of the amount of players. And why is it op when 200 players shoot at you and you die, its okay because there are 199 player more than you.

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Instead of shoving 8 fleet in a system you'd shove 16.

Its the fact that its a cruiser with a bigger buffer than most battleships and comes with hac firepower, cap stability, perma prop mod and a rather small sig. Its only a question of time before t3 are nerfed now, we all know it is on the way.

I am not looking forward to this day. Because, while you can counter massive BS fleets with fewer Tengus, you cannot counter massive BS fleets with fewer BS.

If CCP nerf logistics (they have to if they want smaller groups in null to stand any chance) then smaller gangs of high DPS close range cruisers can be a thing for dealing with big BS blobs.

That does not matter at all. If you want to keep your claimed system as a smaller sov entity without blue to bigger entities, it does not matter to you if you can kill one or two BS of the attacker through their logi rep. One or two killed BS are not even a consolation prize if you lose your system or important towers or structures.

Hence the need to nerf logi so they can actually hurt us.

Hence the need to nerf logi so they can actually hurt us.

If by "hurt us" you mean that they can wipe out your fleet and keep their claimed system for which they fought hard, nerfed logi could help. If by "hurt us" you mean "you killed a couple of BS/Cruiser/Battlecruiser/Bomber/T3, we take the system anyways because we can just replace them with more", nerfed logi are completely irrelevant.

How many BS worth of DPS do you envision should be enough to break through "nerfed" logi reps?

50 suicide blaster raxes should be able to cause a good deal of damage when dumped on a baltec fleet at 0. Sure you probably won't win the grid but you will have caused a lot of damage and in a war of attrition causing more damage to the enemy has won many wars in the past in this game before logistics became a big thing.

I wonder who's suffering from attrition here. I remember the days in Curse in G-0 when we day in/day out Bomber Bombed TEST and later CFC during their stay there. None of them left or showed any sign of attrition, however, we couldn't make proper ISK to replace our lost bombers. Not to mention that our bombers were worth as much as 3-4 ships we bombed. Not exactly wearing. And now imagine a small sov holder, who has to pay sov bills and make money in camped systems, fighting against an entity with system independent income (renting), larger numbers and vast replacement capabilties. That's not exactly the attrition I think you are talking about.

*me thinks the topic is drifting off-grid*

Heres a solution stop playing in giant idiot blobs. I assure you the game is alot more fun when you don't have to listen to 1 guy tell you what to do.

Fights under 20 are where its at. Anything above are usually full of morons who can't think for themself.

Us morons hold half of EVE and bring high sec to its knees whenever we feel like it.

50 suicide blaster raxes should be able to cause a good deal of damage when dumped on a baltec fleet at 0. Sure you probably won't win the grid but you will have caused a lot of damage and in a war of attrition causing more damage to the enemy has won many wars in the past in this game before logistics became a big thing.

I would LOVE to see something like this used as a tactic. Sadly, though, I don't think we'll ever see it happen. The variety of viable tactics and ships on all scales needs to be looked at in detail by the developers.

Edit: I'd just like to clarify and say that I'm glad that most of the changes have taken place recently have gone through, but I feel like they're half done. Anything larger than a cruiser, though, feels like it's been left in the dust by the recent changes and battleships in particular just feel kind of useless in pvp. I know goonswarm has made good use of the Baltec fleet megathron, but everytime I've seen battleships land on grid in a fleet fight, they're massacred. Kiters and snipers are fun, but good old brawling is a hoot sometimes. The sad thing though is that brawlers just feel left in the dust.

I don't know exactly how this turned into "nerf logi", but seriously, nerf logi. And this is coming from someone who has Logistics trained to five.

Every Ship will alpha you when you got the right mass of players. It-¦s not a question of the ship type its a question of the amount of players. And why is it op when 200 players shoot at you and you die, its okay because there are 199 player more than you.

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This is kind of ridiculous: evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4628&b=6197490&e=1680&t=bfbberf

The only real counter to tengus in blob warfare (as in can take them with even numbers) is more tengus. Their tank is completely silly.

Sooo...the side with fewer tengus held the field and did it in part by using damps on the tengus....they also won the isk war and got an R64.

But somehow a tengu fleet is beaten only by a bigger tengu fleet....

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