All the community is asking for is either a way to prevent people from going AFK all day or empowering people who get stuck in their home system to be able to go out and do something about it. No matter how tedious it might be.

So while he is AFK, he's using dscan to create fear and interact? Did I read you right?

What can they do? Of course if he is AFK, then you're safe anyway, but....

Move systems, rat in PvP fit ships, have gangs setup even though you maybe in different systems, put up cyno jammers to removed a great swath of hot drop possibilities, gather as much intel as possible on the enemy, use any intel gathered to fight back, bait, etc. etc.

OK I'll ask again.......

What mechanic are they using, to interact with you and create fear whilst AFK?

Let me rephrase my answer then. He can use dscan and or probes to figure out your location, thus interacting with you. While seem to be afk. The fear factor is his presence alone.

How can I force pvp onto him, at times when he don't want to?

Just considering the stealth bomber (SB), where cargo space is a premium for effective use with bombs and torps. How can it be expected that these ships also carry cloak fuel? OP wants to make SB's redundant perhaps?

What difference does it make, pound for pound, dedicated cloaking ships are penalised on the PvP scale. Their main advantage is intelligence (not suprisingly something they are designed for) and having a "choice" about engagement. Cloaking technology also adds penalties to "suprise" tactics with targeting having a sensor recalibration delay. This penalty combined with other significant penalties for anything other than the dedicated cloak type craft removes problems associated with suprise tactics. The exception being a stealth bomber.

As a suggestion to help with "your" cloaking problem, use the suggested helpfull counters like cyno jammers and your own intelligence operatives to alleviate anxieties and manage your cloaking visitors rather than become terrified of them.

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Just considering the stealth bomber (SB), where cargo space is a premium for effective use with bombs and torps. How can it be expected that these ships also carry cloak fuel? OP wants to make SB's redundant perhaps?

I don't like that players claim that EVE is sutch a gritty and unfirgiving game, that whenever you undock you basicly consent to pvp and that you should not fly what you can't afford to loose. It seems to me then that its is very hypocritical to equip a cloak and be basicly excemt from that rule.

He is AFK so he can't hurt you!! Cloak is not broken HTFU L2P!!

Just to note. This is an example of lack of imagination and knowledge of the game. The mechanic is already being used and has been introduced. Fuel bay. Cargo space could go unaffected.

I do not support or reject the suggestion of fuel, I am purely pointing out that this is an example pointing fingers and accusing people rather than finding solutions. This type of behavior wont get us very far.

Woah. Hold up here. Im purely trying to avoid arguments and aim for solutions.

I posed the question of why is it ok for someone to go AFK and change the way an entire alliance operates and have that constantly security threat with them not being able to do anything about?

No one has answered this question yet other than "You dont do anything other than worry about it"

I never requested a nerf. Not once. I posed suggestions for solutions to the idea. Do -not- group me with my alliance only because I didnt decide to make a character purely for the need to post on this forum. Unlike other individuals.

I already said as politely as I could that my corpmate was poorly stating the arguement and I stepped in. I'm not taking sides here. He wasn't being fair in the way that he was suggesting things, and on that same note, I stepped in when I saw people focusing more on attacking him as a person rather then coming up with solutions.

I posed the very specific request for a solution to the problem of having AFK cloaks in your system for weeks on end (Which has happened several times)

There is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

So I posed a two part question. Why is it ok for the game to operate that way? I can understand if someone is actually there and doing something or actively stalking. But other than the fact that it has been around for so long and has become culture to us to do this, Why is it ok?

And the second part of this question is how can we solve this? Again, a solution that is fair and reasonable is what Im requesting. Not just something that is based off of "This is how its always been done".

We are striving for change and improvement in the game for EVERYONE. Having another client logged in purely to have it afk and shut down a lot of possible alliance ops doesnt seem very fair, when that person is likely off playing on their own client having fun and doing whatever it is he or she wishes and not even having to have a second thought about the cloaked person.

If you are effecting others, I feel that you should have something on the line. Something to worry about, something to actively watch and have to handle. Every other aspect of Eve is like this. You cant just drop and forget it. (Unless of course you paid isk for it, and if you forget it, you often lose it)

AFK cloaking has become one of the key issues with EVE

Let me rephrase my answer then. He can use dscan and or probes to figure out your location, thus interacting with you. While seem to be afk. The fear factor is his presence alone.

How can I force pvp onto him, at times when he don't want to?

Somebody suggested a simple solution by periodically checking for a presence with an interactive message for any extended cloak useage, KISS engineering that could work to remove the assumed afk issue without the need to introduce any serious nerfing to cloaking. Answered the problem, but still doesn't quite seem sufficient, wonder why?

When at any point in my idea did i say i wanted all cloaking to be nerfed?

one scrub in a recon can keep 20 faction bs's docked?

Nor am i trying to nerf psychological warfar or income denial

[This] would stop the masses being pissed over the few with NOTHING they can do about it

Tippia I get that you are a grief lover

but may i ask how local can be removed and still make it even possible to rat?

sounds more like your trying to nerf pve than i'm trying to nerf cloaking

come up with a solution that fixes botters and afk's without nerfing cloaks then im all ears

Then you don't get it.
Ask the people living in w-space.
No, I'm trying to buff intel.
Activating a cloak disconnects you from the local channel.

Oh, and it's funny how you want to nerf the one thing that really shuts down botters, and then claim that you do it to combat bottingGǪ

also every1 refering to "00 carebears" are you implying null sec should have no pve? whats the point of holding that space then?

Woah. Hold up here. Im purely trying to avoid arguments and aim for solutions.

I posed the question of why is it ok for someone to go AFK and change the way an entire alliance operates and have that constantly security threat with them not being able to do anything about?

No one has answered this question yet other than "You dont do anything other than worry about it"

I never requested a nerf. Not once. I posed suggestions for solutions to the idea.

Do -not- group me with my alliance only because I didnt decide to make a character purely for the need to post on this forum. Unlike other individuals.

I already said as politely as I could that my corpmate was poorly stating the arguement and I stepped in. I'm not taking sides here. He wasn't being fair in the way that he was suggesting things, and on that same note, I stepped in when I saw people focusing more on attacking him as a person rather then coming up with solutions.

I posed the very specific request for a solution to the problem of having AFK cloaks in your system for weeks on end (Which has happened several times)

There is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

So I posed a two part question. Why is it ok for the game to operate that way? I can understand if someone is actually there and doing something or actively stalking. But other than the fact that it has been around for so long and has become culture to us to do this, Why is it ok?

And the second part of this question is how can we solve this? Again, a solution that is fair and reasonable is what Im requesting. Not just something that is based off of "This is how its always been done".

We are striving for change and improvement in the game for EVERYONE. Having another client logged in purely to have it afk and shut down a lot of possible alliance ops doesnt seem very fair, when that person is likely off playing on their own client having fun and doing whatever it is he or she wishes and not even having to have a second thought about the cloaked person.

If you are effecting others, I feel that you should have something on the line. Something to worry about, something to actively watch and have to handle. Every other aspect of Eve is like this. You cant just drop and forget it. (Unless of course you paid isk for it, and if you forget it, you often lose it)

and ZOMG having to put 200k isk of isotopes in cargo and only get 4-5 hours of cloak would be TERRIBLE...so terrible we shouldnt give a way to stop afk cloakers or botters i just don't agree...come up with a solution that fixes botters and afk's without nerfing cloaks then im all ears

what you think im on a personal vendetta to nerf cloaks? lol a message would be fine i just dont see any way to impliment it without it being an oddity, maybe after 2 hours afk you get decloaked with warning messages coming up prior, this still has the downside of macros will be made and botters still can't be killed

I dont want to nerf cloaks, i don't want to nerf pvp, I want something that can be done vs afk cloakers and botters while not effecting much else, with the truesec system in place now you can't just upgrade mulitple systems and afk cloaking has become imbalanced and has no counter

Activating a cloak disconnects you from the local channel.