You should have to actively play the game and use teamwork to disrupt an Sov economy. It's time we stop rewarding people not playing the game 95% of the time (getting rewards from being afk sounds similar to a bot).

You want to disrupt someone's sov ecnonomy, fine get a gang together harass their ratting/mining and actually play the game.

Tired of the trolls whining that they won't be able to stop people from making isk with almost no effort on their part if afk cloaking is fixed.

Here are some of your ridiculous one-sided arguments and my answers.

Argument- "Null sec shouldn't be 100% safe."
Completely hypocritical argument, you want it to be 100% safe for that lone idiot sitting cloaked in a system 23.5 hours a day. You want him to have every advantage - surprise, ability to choose all his fights, invulnerability whenever he wants.

How's it different from sitting in a station? People sitting in a station are completely invulnerable. They can't act unless they undock. A cloaker can't act unless he uncloaks.

Here are some of your ridiculous one-sided arguments and my answers.

Argument- "Null sec shouldn't be 100% safe."
Completely hypocritical argument, you want it to be 100% safe for that lone idiot sitting cloaked in a system 23.5 hours a day. You want him to have every advantage - surprise, ability to choose all his fights, invulnerability whenever he wants.

Argument- "There would be no way to kill those indy's and easy targets if we didn't have every advantage." Sorry but that's the way eve works, people can evade you. If you want to suppress an alliance system you should have to put some time, effort, and teamwork into it, not park an alt there month after month with complete impunity.

Your idea of using a gang to disrupt ratting/mining is pretty special. Ever tried killing ratters/miners in a deep sov null sec pocket?

You jump in, they're either already docked because they saw you coming on intel or they dock when they see a neut in local. Your gang might be able to stop them from ratting in one or two systems, but you'd need to stay there, with a fully formed fleet, indefinitely in order to do it. On top of that you very likely won't get any kills, except the odd idiot not watching local.

This is why AFK cloaking is necessary, until some alternate method is thought up that allows players to attack an alliance, it will always be necessary. There is little enough risk in null as it is, lessening it even more is a horrendous idea. As much as I hate AFK cloaking it is a necessity, as such any suggestions made with the aim of removing it as a valid tactic should start by providing an alternative tactic to replace it with.

And if you're still going to argue that a roaming gang can catch ratters, this is an example* of an RA renter system I was in a few weeks back. If a neut is in local, they dock up or log off in space, there is no possible way to burn through those bubbles and reach a target before they align, warp and dock. Your argument to end AFK cloaking, since it proposes no alternative, is merely an argument to make null sec 100% safe.

*http://i.imgur.com/AjjLJ.jpg apparently "url=" BB code doesn't work for images Nice one CCP.

I could poke more holes in your argument but my fingers are getting tired.

Quit using a bunch of straw man arguments, try actually responding to the genuine issue of null sec being too safe instead.

This is why AFK cloaking is necessary, until some alternate method is thought up that allows players to attack an alliance, it will always be necessary.

until some alternate method is thought up that allows players to attack an alliance

You jump in, they're either already docked because they saw you coming on intel or they dock when they see a neut in local. Your gang might be able to stop them from ratting in one or two systems, but you'd need to stay there, with a fully formed fleet, indefinitely in order to do it. On top of that you very likely won't get any kills, except the odd idiot not watching local.

try actually responding to the genuine issue of null sec being too safe instead.

+1 for the "oh its this thread again" crowd.

Feel free to implement, I'll just have 2 of my characters in your system then, one actually cloaking, and the other cloaked in a hauler full of cloaky fuel, JUST TO SPITE YOU

Tards.

Yes, null sec in the hands of an organized intelligent and prepared alliance should be safe from lone goon pirate twits like you. An entire alliance is safe from one person, HEAVEN FORBID!!! However, null sec is not safe, nor should it be, from big pirate alliances who actually coordinate and steal sov space from others.

Your idea of using a gang to disrupt ratting/mining is pretty special. Ever tried killing ratters/miners in a deep sov null sec pocket?

You jump in, they're either already docked because they saw you coming on intel or they dock when they see a neut in local. Your gang might be able to stop them from ratting in one or two systems, but you'd need to stay there, with a fully formed fleet, indefinitely in order to do it. On top of that you very likely won't get any kills, except the odd idiot not watching local.

This is why AFK cloaking is necessary, until some alternate method is thought up that allows players to attack an alliance, it will always be necessary. There is little enough risk in null as it is, lessening it even more is a horrendous idea. As much as I hate AFK cloaking it is a necessity, as such any suggestions made with the aim of removing it as a valid tactic should start by providing an alternative tactic to replace it with.

And if you're still going to argue that a roaming gang can catch ratters, this is an example* of an RA renter system I was in a few weeks back. If a neut is in local, they dock up or log off in space, there is no possible way to burn through those bubbles and reach a target before they align, warp and dock. Your argument to end AFK cloaking, since it proposes no alternative, is merely an argument to make null sec 100% safe.

*http://i.imgur.com/AjjLJ.jpg apparently "url=" BB code doesn't work for images Nice one CCP.

You just made my argument, then you wouldn't be afk, you'd need to be at keys constantly refueling your cloaky wouldn't you. And you'd have to bring that hauler through our gates to restock your hold full of fuel Nice try at trolling.

Except you assume that everyone who stays in one system cloaked for hours on end is AFK, and ever heard of transport ships? And it depends on your fuel requirements for the cloak in the first place, for instance if the cloak could only be active 3 hours at a time I could (who has a life, amirite?) cloak for 3 hours, refuel and then go afk for the next 2 hours and 59 minutes, you'd then have to make sure you were spamming d-scan for the next 3 hours to see when I decloaked for more fuel, like I said, idea generated which was ill thought out

Herpin your derp, calling someone in an extremely large sov holding alliance a lone pirate is probably not the best way to show us how intelligent you are. Now how about you quit with the straw man arguments and reply to the post?

That hurts you know...I do have feelings !

So how long could one of these cloak?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Prowler

If you're in a large sov holding alliance why do you want the ability for one person to lock down an economy?

There really is no arguing with trolls. I've responded to the block of text you posted several times. Stop spitting phrases like "straw man" when you don't understand them.

You're such a ridiculous troll. "I dislike afk cloaking"..... yet you spend hours tonight trolling this post to whine about how it shouldn't be changed.

Trolls in this post have made all of the arguments i summarized, none were straw.

You're such a ridiculous troll. "I dislike afk cloaking"..... yet you spend hours tonight trolling this post to whine about how it shouldn't be changed.

Trolls in this post have made all of the arguments i summarized, none were straw.

The easy solution to this is to implement an afk timer and simply log everyone out who has been afk for an hour or two.