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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.02.18 18:36:00 -
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Ares Renton wrote:
You could always go to high sec.
you too. In high sec afk cloaking doesnt make sense.
Ares Renton wrote:The developers constantly put the best stuff in nullsec because it's supposed to be a dangerous area.
yes, and cloakers are part of the risk. Its all fine. |
Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects
Scelus Sceleris.
84
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Posted - 2012.02.18 23:35:00 -
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GuRasta wrote:AFK cloaking has become one of the key issues with EVE, 1 person can shut down an entire alliances PVE for as long as they wish. Faction battleships people have worked hard on sit in hanger and don't get used, and how many do you think log on to play, notice and afk cloaker and no pvp ops atm and just change skills and log off instead of actually playing the game?
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If one person in system can shut down your entire alliance's PvE activities, it sounds like you should switch alliances because the guys you're flying with are all big pussies. Worried about that one guy you don't know about? Bring some defense!
Cloaking is working as intended. An AFK cloaker cannot harm you, and you cannot find him. Get over it and grow a pair, or move back to hisec. Your call. |
L'Acuto
Old Timers Guild Inc.
Fusion Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 00:58:00 -
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Cloak fuel is an interesting idea. I didn't read a lot of this thread because there seemed to be a lot of unentertaining flaming going on. So If these suggestions have been mentioned before, forgive me for reinventing the wheel.
Cloaks could have a cycle time on the order of 5 minutes, like the siege or triage cycle does now.
I suggest liquid ozone as the cloak fuel.
A cloak's fuel consumption could be based on the module type, the pilot's skill with cloaking, and the mass or class of the ship. Ships designed to be used with cloaks, like blops, coverts and recons would receive substantial bonuses to fuel consumption.
New ship class specific (frigate, cruiser, battleship, capital) cloaks could be introduced, perhaps even the recon cloaks and the black ops cloak modules to handle those special cases.
As a consolation to such changes, other bonuses for skill with cloaking could be introduced, like the reduction of the ship velocity and scan res penalties - yeah more numbers for the servers to crunch.
Removing a cloaked ship from local sounds interesting but I can imagine the lag caused by a squad of stealth bombers decloaking on a fleet. How about just getting rid of local? It might cure some lag.
I have no opinion about AFK cloakers |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.02.19 04:51:00 -
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Who necro'd this, it needed to stay dead and needs to die again |
Tikhon Fedorov
Castle Kingside
5
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Posted - 2012.02.19 14:30:00 -
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There should be a requirement to play sudoku while cloaked and you must complete each puzzle one after the other at an increasing rate, and if you fail to complete it before clicking uncloak, your cloaking module gets fried.
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
15
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Posted - 2012.02.19 16:40:00 -
[186] - Quote
Cloaking works fine.
If there is a suspected cloaked ship in system use a normal BS to do pve, not a pirate faction BS. Have an alt on standby in a Falcon or do pve in a group with most having pvp fits. Think around the problem.
If an enemy corp keeps bring in a cloaked ship to hot drop you with make an alt and play somewhere else when that cloaky is in system. If you deny them kills they will eventually go away.
If it's a genuine AFK cloaker it will become pretty apparent after doing a couple of hours ratting in the system without them reacting to it.
The whole point here is that if you're not playing eve because you're too afraid to then you shouldn't be in nullsec. If you've graduated to nullsec you should be bright enough to think around the problem rather than deciding that your current way of playing is the ONLY way of playing. Yelling NERF only shows a lack of adaptability. |
Lady 21
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 21:26:00 -
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Let me add to this thread real quick. I have and still am living in HOT DROP CENTRAL STAIN. Anyone who lives in stain knows you do nothing if certain people are around and there are systems you do not fly through.
The only way to counter the afk cloaking if you want to make money in stain with reds in local, is to actually communicate with your alliance and corporation and get a "standing fleet" going to counter any second. Also, you have to have spies everywhere and have your own characters in known titan bridgeing systems of the people camping you. You have to stay informed at all times.
I am a mission runner in stain. I make a good amount of money. Am I safe? Absolutely. I never do anything unless i am well informed of what is going on in stain. |
Probebly Afk Cloaking
No Self Esteem
Imperius Legio Victrix
2
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Posted - 2012.02.19 23:13:00 -
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Afk cloaking working as intended |
Katalci
D.I.R.T
37
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Posted - 2012.02.20 08:25:00 -
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Remove local, problem solved |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
19
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Posted - 2012.02.20 10:06:00 -
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Katalci wrote:Remove local, problem solved
I've read this from a few people. I don't understand it though. How does removing local help with AFK cloakers?
All that will do is give you a false sense of security and then you'll get people whining that they're being hot dropped whilst not having any idea anyone else is in their system.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
7352
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Posted - 2012.02.20 10:19:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Katalci wrote:Remove local, problem solved I've read this from a few people. I don't understand it though. How does removing local help with AFK cloakers? All that will do is give you a false sense of security and then you'll get people whining that they're being hot dropped whilst not having any idea anyone else is in their system. You have to ask yourself, what mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK?
You see local gives you instant, 100% risk free, intel 23.5/7. So that covert ops cloak, is not so covert.
So then you ask, how do you subvert that intel and use it against people? Well you go AFK and thus try to subvert it's readability.
The difference is that the local's intel is a guarantee, but the psychological effects from AFKing are not. Therefore this method only really works on a select few. From what I've seen, that select few are more often than not from renter Alliances.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
89
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Posted - 2012.02.20 10:21:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Tchulen wrote:Katalci wrote:Remove local, problem solved I've read this from a few people. I don't understand it though. How does removing local help with AFK cloakers? All that will do is give you a false sense of security and then you'll get people whining that they're being hot dropped whilst not having any idea anyone else is in their system. You have to ask yourself, what mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK? You see local gives you instant, 100% risk free, intel 23.5/7. So that covert ops cloak, is not so covert. So then you ask, how do you subvert that intel and use it against people? Well you go AFK and thus try to subvert it's readability. The difference is that the local's intel is a guarantee, but the psychological effects from AFKing are not. Therefore this method only really works on a select few. From what I've seen, that select few are more often than not from renter Alliances.
QFT |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.02.20 10:35:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Katalci wrote:Remove local, problem solved I've read this from a few people. I don't understand it though. How does removing local help with AFK cloakers? All that will do is give you a false sense of security and then you'll get people whining that they're being hot dropped whilst not having any idea anyone else is in their system.
Changing local to a delayed chat system like it is in W-Space will actually remove the reason that people afk cloak in the first place, and that reason is to lull the enemy into a false sense of security. An enemy that is always present is easily ignored.
I personally hate the fact that local is used as a 100% accurate intel tool. I have ratted for days on end with an afk cloaker in system, while he was active and ambushing the unsuspecting drake, I always showed up a little to late to help. Do you want to know my secret, I had a really good friend that I really enjoyed playing with and we ratted in two tengu's and you know what our isk/hr went up not down . Oh well I didn't lose a ship and I increased my payout, afk cloakers are the best thing to happen in a system I am ratting in.
On the opposite side I have been the AFK cloaker, I was active a lot more than I thought I would be. I was constantly checking up and watching the locals move around in there POS's or undock and redock trying to bait me out. It was funny to see how they smacked me in local only to recieve silence. I watched as they planned coordinated ambushes for me waiting to strike at a moments notice, all the while wearing down there will to stay vigilant. Then when they are sure that I'm not there, when they think they are safe, I strike!
Wrecking havoc I watch my d-scan as more and more pvp ship undock from the station wanting to kill me, counting down the seconds to see them land on grid. Heart pounding weapons overheated come on just a little more, BOOM the ship pops and I engage my warp drive as the ships meant to save there comrade land just moments to late, the flash from the explosion still disapating into space. I start bouncing safes as I repair my weapons with nanite paste and reload my launchers, cloaking back up, settling in for another long wait to the next kill.
Removing instant local will take away the need for me to stay constantly logged on to achieve the same effect, now I'm not one to want a complete imbalance. I would like to somehow modify the cloaking systems so that active pilots are easier to detect and see that they are hunting. Activity should mean vulnerability, scanning and moving and warp should all leave hints an clues as to where I am and what I could be doing. I am totally opposed to cloak detecting probes to identify and kill safed up cloakers, after all they are in deep space and should blend in perfectly with the background as per there cloaking system.
I hope that this answers your question and maybe provided a little bit of insight into the other side of things. Nullsec is not supposed to be safe, it was never intended to be safe. PVP should be a requirement not an afterthought. This change will see a lot of people leave nullsec, this is true, but if you cannot handle the risk of losing your ship to gain a higher reward, what are you doing in Nullsec in the first place.
Respectfully,
Gerrick Palivorn
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Bubanni
SniggWaffe
EVE Corporation 123566322353
84
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Posted - 2012.02.20 11:11:00 -
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I understand the reason people have problems with "AFK" cloakers, because you can't know if they are afk or not. and you don't know if the guy has a covert cyno ready to hotdrop 10-50 bombers on you
I never been hotdropped myself because back when I was a mega jew, I simply went to another system when one or more systems were camped by a cloaker, but after 0.0 anomaly nerf, that became impossible, as there were suddenly very very few systems worth even ratting in so I simply stopped jewing completly and now my isk is in a downward spiral since I only pvp and don't jew at all :) i'm not affected by afk cloakers at all lol since I live in a nomadic pvp alliance now.
but thats besides the point, I agree that you shouldn't be able to sit in a system idle for 23 hours cloaked, without anyway to prevent the guy from doing so. and if you do, at least make the number of days the guy can do this limited in some way.
so a cloaking fuel block would be one solution, something where you can up to 24+ hours worth of cloaking on a bomber without a lossing much cargo for ammo and maybe cyno fuel. that way the bomber has to return for extra fuel after a few days or get someone to bring it for him, if the alliance he is camping is unable to prevent that, then he can continue staying as long as he wants
also, it should be noted that the problem is only really there with covert cloaks since they can warp cloaked, so I think normal cloaks shouldn't be affected, and should be able to cloak as long as they want.
TL;DR
(maybe make a cloak fuel bay on covert ops ships that are able to fit covert cloaks and make enough room for 24+ hours worth of cloaking fuel *what ever this fuel should be*)
edit: also... removing local or making chat delay would ruin 0.0 as we know it, removeing the ability to chase people through several systems, it's not a fix to cloaking in any way... if you really want that, then go live in a ****ing hole and stfu :3
I could agree that removeing local in 0.0 could be interresting, but before that should be done, other ways of intel should be greatly improved, such as the directional scanner. |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.02.20 11:30:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:I understand the reason people have problems with "AFK" cloakers, because you can't know if they are afk or not. and you don't know if the guy has a covert cyno ready to hotdrop 10-50 bombers on you
I never been hotdropped myself because back when I was a mega jew, I simply went to another system when one or more systems were camped by a cloaker, but after 0.0 anomaly nerf, that became impossible, as there were suddenly very very few systems worth even ratting in so I simply stopped jewing completly and now my isk is in a downward spiral since I only pvp and don't jew at all :) i'm not affected by afk cloakers at all lol since I live in a nomadic pvp alliance now.
but thats besides the point, I agree that you shouldn't be able to sit in a system idle for 23 hours cloaked, without anyway to prevent the guy from doing so. and if you do, at least make the number of days the guy can do this limited in some way.
so a cloaking fuel block would be one solution, something where you can up to 24+ hours worth of cloaking on a bomber without a lossing much cargo for ammo and maybe cyno fuel. that way the bomber has to return for extra fuel after a few days or get someone to bring it for him, if the alliance he is camping is unable to prevent that, then he can continue staying as long as he wants
also, it should be noted that the problem is only really there with covert cloaks since they can warp cloaked, so I think normal cloaks shouldn't be affected, and should be able to cloak as long as they want.
TL;DR
(maybe make a cloak fuel bay on covert ops ships that are able to fit covert cloaks and make enough room for 24+ hours worth of cloaking fuel *what ever this fuel should be*)
edit: also... removing local or making chat delay would ruin 0.0 as we know it, removeing the ability to chase people through several systems, it's not a fix to cloaking in any way... if you really want that, then go live in a ****ing hole and stfu :3
I could agree that removeing local in 0.0 could be interresting, but before that should be done, other ways of intel should be greatly improved, such as the directional scanner.
U Mad Bro?
Protip: Pro's don't get mad, they adapt. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
EVE Corporation 123566322353
84
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Posted - 2012.02.20 11:34:00 -
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Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
U Mad Bro?
Protip: Pro's don't get mad, they adapt.
<--I'm the devils advocate, personly I am unaffected since I don't live in 0.0 or rat/plex/jew, I just understand why all the carebears are whining :3 (back when I did live in 0.0, I was one of those who tried to get the cloakers to attack me, so I could kill them lol)
ended up with them being told to avoid attacking me, and me eventually joining them :D |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
89
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Posted - 2012.02.20 12:06:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
U Mad Bro?
Protip: Pro's don't get mad, they adapt.
<--I'm the devils advocate, personly I am unaffected since I don't live in 0.0 or rat/plex/jew, I just understand why all the carebears are whining :3 (back when I did live in 0.0, I was one of those who tried to get the cloakers to attack me, so I could kill them lol) ended up with them being told to avoid attacking me, and me eventually joining them :D
Did you even read the previous pages..?
INB4TRANSPORTSHIPSFULLOFCLOAKFUEL |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
20
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Posted - 2012.02.20 12:34:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Tchulen wrote:Katalci wrote:Remove local, problem solved I've read this from a few people. I don't understand it though. How does removing local help with AFK cloakers? All that will do is give you a false sense of security and then you'll get people whining that they're being hot dropped whilst not having any idea anyone else is in their system. You have to ask yourself, what mechanic are they using to interact with you, whilst they are AFK? You see local gives you instant, 100% risk free, intel 23.5/7. So that covert ops cloak, is not so covert. So then you ask, how do you subvert that intel and use it against people? Well you go AFK and thus try to subvert it's readability. The difference is that the local's intel is a guarantee, but the psychological effects from AFKing are not. Therefore this method only really works on a select few. From what I've seen, that select few are more often than not from renter Alliances.
Thanks. I think I understand now. Those complaining about real AFK cloakers are merely more frightened than my cat (and my cat is REALLY frightened of everything). Those complaining about "AFK cloakers" hot dropping them aren't talking about AFK cloaking at all and those who are talking about removing local being the solution are just people who want local to be removed and are using this thread as an excuse to promote their agenda.
Well, from what I can tell cloaking is fine and works as intended for those with at least a smidgen of common sense. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
EVE Corporation 123566322353
84
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Posted - 2012.02.20 13:06:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Bubanni wrote:Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
U Mad Bro?
Protip: Pro's don't get mad, they adapt.
<--I'm the devils advocate, personly I am unaffected since I don't live in 0.0 or rat/plex/jew, I just understand why all the carebears are whining :3 (back when I did live in 0.0, I was one of those who tried to get the cloakers to attack me, so I could kill them lol) ended up with them being told to avoid attacking me, and me eventually joining them :D Did you even read the previous pages..? INB4TRANSPORTSHIPSFULLOFCLOAKFUEL
actually I didn't, but thats fine too even if they bring a transportshipfullofcloakfuel :) |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
19
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Posted - 2012.02.20 13:15:00 -
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You do understand, that by making AFK cloaking impossible, you're making 0.0 sec less dangerous than low sec, I can't realy believe that is what you want.
because in low sec you can just wait in a station looking at who is entering the system lull them in to sleep undock and hot drop on them anyway.
So by doing something as simple as putting a time limit on Cloaking you would shift the balance of the game enourmously.
Not that I'm a regular in 0.0 but it player owned 0.0 already suffers from a lack suspence, flying within your alliance souvrinity is usualy safer than low sec, and by removing the possibility to anoy people with a cloaker you would make it more safe then flying in Jita.
If that is what you want, the goodies should be moved to the more dangerous places as well.
Flying outside high sec should be dangerous, lets keep is that way. |
L'Acuto
Old Timers Guild Inc.
Fusion Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.02.20 14:33:00 -
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A cloak fuel rule change might create a momentary spike in fuel prices. Place your bets on Stront, racial topes, coolant, and/or liquid O. |
TurAmarth ElRandir
Helix Pulse
Rolling Thunder.
17
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
OK, the basic issue is not that cloaking as a mechanic is 'broken',
it's not that having a pilot in a system who cannot be 'found' is scary;
It is the use of cloaking AND cyno together that is the core issue. A pilot in a cloaked ship at a well made safespot is COMPLETELY SAFE from attack by defending pilots until he decides to uncloak. If he then uses a cyno, the ships that come in, can avoid using defendable gates or closable wormholes in order to enter and leave the system anywhere in that system... this is, of course, the EVE famous "hotdrop". When the cloaky/cyno pilot hotdrops a PvP fleet onto PvE ships or mining shps, the aggressors have an unbalanced advantage.
OK, so change the cloak & cyno mechanic so that NO SHIP IN EVE CAN FIT A CLOAK AND A CYNO AT THE SAME TIME.
This is the simplest solution... CPU needs for a cloak are extreme and require a special ship type... ok, a slight change to the Cynosaural Field Generator module and if any cloak is fitted, active or not, a cyno CANNOT ever have enough CPU to be onlined even with a full set of CPU mods in the low slots.
Cloaks and cloaking is totally unaffected in W-space.
In null, AFK Cloakers are not affected in thier intel gathering and safety while cloaked... they just can't be the focal point of an indefensable incursion by a fleet into a system anymoar.
You want to open a cyno? Have your cloaky make a BM or sit on the desired warp in point and your cyno ship has to risk the run through the gate/hole then risk the run to the cloaky or BM and THEN you can light off your cyno and make with the violencing of boats... and the people in the system have a chance to organize a response.... fight back or dock up. Don't like em docking up? Fine... keep your fleet in there and you can risk that to carry out your Income Denial Op instead of ONE lone AFK char...
Who knows? Mebbe the ability of the defenders to actuallly fight back in PvP fitted ships instead of being hotdropped in PvE ships might just stir up a response and get you some PvP... only on moar balanced terms for all....
Go ahead, rage and cry about how unfair this would be... and how I suc at life because I want to fight back in a ship that stands a chance of winning.
TurAmarth ElRandir
HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director
Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)=
http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
Kitt JT
Crimson Empire.
Nulli Secunda
16
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:22:00 -
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Here's the thing. I hate afk cloakers as much as the next guy (i really do).
But this system has some problems
First of all, a cloakey hauler with a cyno could still stay cloaked for an entire day
Second, it would limit bomber ops by fuel as well.
Standard procedure for a bomber fleet is to get to a system well in advance of hostiles, and have bombing runs set up. It would become a logistical nightmare for bombers to have to carry fuel on top of their already tight cargo requirements (only 4 bombs with 2 in a t1 launcher, and a couple hundred torps as it is).
Although I do agree, a solution to afk cloakers would be nice, none of the proposed solutions are suitable. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1143
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:26:00 -
[204] - Quote
This idea has never been posted before!
No...sorry...it has. Still a good idea but still going the same way every thread before this one has. +1
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
68
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:47:00 -
[205] - Quote
Fuel? too boring... CCP will probably bring a Cloak hunting ship... that will bb a good fix...
Afk cloakers ruins the game of small alliances, while does almost no harm to big ones... this is unfair... |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
153
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:56:00 -
[206] - Quote
Alx Warlord wrote:Fuel? too boring... CCP will probably bring a Cloak hunting ship... that will bb a good fix...
Afk cloakers ruins the game of small alliances, while does almost no harm to big ones... this is unfair...
which "small alliance" are you talking about??
afk cloaking actually hurts pet alliances living in some other alliances space because they cant go ratting somewhere else but the only system they rent. But this is the problem of being pet, not of cloaking, (afk)cloaking is working fine. |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:17:00 -
[207] - Quote
Twice Necro'd, just let it die in peace guys, this has been discussed to death in many forums over many threads.
Fact: Cloaking has been part of the game for a long time
Fact: Cloaking is used in every part of Eve, infact it is a requirement for many WH Corps
Personal Thoery: Null-bears and botters are the only ones that are complaining about AFK Cloakers
Personal Opinion: None of the ideas presented in any of the anti-afk cloaking threads even take into account the effects of how their idea's would change Wormholes
Fact: Instant Intel that is 100% accurate is a serious problem and should be addressed so that no more of these threads will ever be made
Fact: My best ratting is done while AFK Cloakers are in the system I rat in
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Asudem
Asen of Asgard
5
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:53:00 -
[208] - Quote
[sarcasm]
Oh and while you change the cloaking system, how about changing the war decing system as well? I mean, griefers shouldnt keep indus away from their belt by wardecing their corp. Indu people quit the game 'cause of that!
[/sarcasm]
There is always someone who will complain about griefing. I just say, no risk no isk. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.01 11:44:00 -
[209] - Quote
Quote:Who knows? Mebbe the ability of the defenders to actuallly fight back in PvP fitted ships instead of being hotdropped in PvE ships might just stir up a response and get you some PvP... only on moar balanced terms for all....
Go ahead, rage and cry about how unfair this would be... and how I suc at life because I want to fight back in a ship that stands a chance of winning.
When I pass a gate camp I would like a fighting chance and not being swarmed.
When mining in high-sec I'd like to ganker to pronouce them self long upfront.
When fighting a frigate with my frigate I would like to attacker not to use the skill points he has more than me.
Even better I want people only to fire up on me when I say I'm ready.
The fact that you can't control everything is what makes EVE dangerous, and the hotdrop one of the few mechanisms that can be used against large alliances.
All solutions I've seen to this so called problem only solve this for 0.0 sec. WH Space, Low Sec, and even in high Sec, your solution wouldn't chance anything to the chance of being jumped up on, so technicly the only thing you do is making 0.0 sec a saferplace for the people living in it, in comparisation to all other parts of New Eden.
Personly I think your solution would remove even more people from 0.0 instead of gaining people. PvP will be reduced to gate camping and large battles. doesn't make it more appealing to me.
And I'm not a person that does a lot of PvP, but if I wanted to play a game in which every encounter would be on my own terms I would never have stayed playing EVE.
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
110
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:14:00 -
[210] - Quote
I've said it before, and I'm saying it again: WHY do cloaks need to be changed? I've only used cloaks for the last year or so, and I don't think there's anything wrong with cloaks. I use cloaks whenever I probe, because I know my Covert Ops Frigate is an easy target for gankers, and I don't want to lose it if I can avoid it. I cloak when I need to move BPs around, because I know someone out there wants to kill me and loot them. I cloak when I'm moving through low-sec systems in hopes I won't be spotted. But I don't warp to a "safe"-spot and cloak. People should feel free to cloak up when they want to, regardless of what others may say.
Or, if you prefer the short version:
No. |
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