Ok: activating a cloak disconnects you from the local channel.

The point of holding nullsec space is PVE

This is the only idea I've seen over the past half year or so which is remotely acceptable.
Ship cloaks up, any form of transponder is off, communications are cut. If they want to gather intelligence, they have to do it at a gate/belt/station/etc.

You shouldn't have immunity to sit for hours on end (one its boring, and two your not looking for a fight your looking for a gank). That again shows that your looking for grief kills and not pvp which is the Covert OP's main point, warp on top of the target, drop cloak no delay and kill, then haul ass out of town, with hell on your heels.

Todays best Nuclear subs will be found eventually just a matter of time.

Simply put if you need to stay cloaked for more then 10 minutes at a time your not using the cloak correctly.

More Fights = More Kills = More Ships needing to be built - you want to fight bring your ship and give us a shot at killing it, if you don't want to fight well then i would guess your a griefer rather then a PvPer and your ruining the experience for the PVE /PVP guys

And generally I take offence that you are being heavily prescriptive that we need to pander to your needs in satisfying a PvP role, another example of we must play the game your way, but in essence just a blinkered view that you want to improve your situation to such a favourable extent as you can't possibly cope with someone else having anything remotely useful, hence the need to use a inacurate derogatory term that cloaking is "griefing". So no I don't support your need for a better "I win all the time" button and I must elimanate anything from the game that potentially has an edge on my style of game play that you think your entitled to.

There's enough supporting evidence in this thread, to suggest from numerous individuals that cloaking does not support your claims that it ruins things, others see it more of a tactical challenge to manage and overcome and is in the bounds of feasibility, it's only people like yourselves too lazy and expectant of CCP to eliminate your need to think more tactically about the game. If anything your narrow minded illusion that we should all play a certain way is more likley to cripple the enjoyment of EvE. But I guess you want or need it to be always predictable?

actually ratting in groups or pvp ships turns 25 mil ticks into 8-10, pve becomes better in high sec when afk camped, theres obviously still risk to faction bs if some1 is activ e cloaking system for 4-5 hrs and sitll shuts down some pve

Again only unintelligent responses to support their Pro Docking position showing your inability to adapt and overcome, change the Docking system and see if there is a benefit - to date there is more that like it then dislike it, Ship spinning, CQ etc if you have a station and your afraid of someone not even at there computer. Docking needs some type of control and before you get all high on yourself the thread is about how unfair it is to always dock up with reds in system and if its a benefit drawback and other solutions possible moving forward.

And generally I take offence that you are being heavily prescriptive that we need to pander to your needs in satisfying a PvP role, another example of we must play the game your way, but in essence just a blinkered view that you want to improve your situation to such a favourable extent as you can't possibly cope with someone else having anything remotely useful, hence the need to use a inacurate derogatory term that cloaking is "griefing". So no I don't support your need for a better "I win all the time" button and I must elimanate anything from the game that potentially has an edge on my style of game play that you think your entitled to.

There's enough supporting evidence in this thread, to suggest from numerous individuals that cloaking does not support your claims that it ruins things, others see it more of a tactical challenge to manage and overcome and is in the bounds of feasibility, it's only people like yourselves too lazy and expectant of CCP to eliminate your need to think more tactically about the game. If anything your narrow minded illusion that we should all play a certain way is more likley to cripple the enjoyment of EvE. But I guess you want or need it to be always predictable?

There I fixed it for you :)

Are you really that unable to adjust to change?

With regards to Grumpy Owly's hate/cryragequit/rant

...hell this isn't even fun there's no active engagement nor tactical planning...

Just a heads up. When they say "rat in groups" to "defeat" AFK cloaking. They really want you to group together so they can hotdrop you. Not only is it not a solution to AFK cloaking (My idea is BTW) it is a setup for more hotdrops disguised as advise.

Lol and there you go for proving the point - contribute something, cloaking has only been running like this since what 2006 are you really that unable to adjust to change?

Hate ***** and whine all you like guys, by far this is one of the more realistic suggestions to date, as to dealing with Botting and cloaks that is a completely other matter, to date other then when someone is SCREAMING on the forums about it, or blabbing on another website very little is done about it by ccp as these guys continue to keep their accounts in good standings. Botting is prohibited in eve and if they want to gamble their accounts like that so be it.

Lets focus on the problem at hand that's being discussed. In short cloak fuel although a great idea, at this stage I think is needlessly complex component to add to the game (btw fuel bay for it), as to a general cap failure with a cooldown on the cloak, the idea is brilliant. As a Recon/Blackop pilot i welcome this change, being able to cloak indefinitely in a system with 8 accounts scattered around is a game breaking mechanic, how many times have you jumped into system dropped probes and presto the guy cloaks up, if my probes are deployed and i'm patient i should get a shot at getting him, they've got a pos/station they can haul ass to if they need the womb, otherwise when the cap drains down be ready for combat, btw, if you use a cloak, you should have an aggression timer (this is needed immediately) so no more cloak and dc, cycle finish's and we have time to find you - anothe nice way of us dealing with AFK cloakers when they do periodically disconnect, the Sig Bloom is BRILLIANT as well helping to mitigate time to scan down. You cloaky killers claim to want PVP here's a valid solution that Im sure would satisfy both parties.

if you need to be gone that long players should be forced to log off

Activating a cloak disconnects you from the local channel.

When you made a suggestion that nerfs all cloaking.
No, he can't. Only the BS pilots can do that.
Yes you are, by expressly wanting to remove the uncertainty of the situation and ensure that local is a 100% accurate intel tool. AFK cloaking is the one thing that lets other players disrupt that tool GÇö until local goes, AFK cloaking stays.
There are plenty of things they can do about it GÇö they just don't want to because that would mean thinking and effort.

AFK cloaking is not a problem GÇö people's reliance on an overpowered intel tool, and them getting their panties in a knot when that tools is being subverted is. The GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ to AFK cloaking has nothing to do with AFKness or cloaking, but lies entirely within that intel tool. Trying to do it any other way will only end up doing the wrong thing, usually by nerfing cloaking for no good reason.

Or you could grow some balls and realise nullsec isnt a 100% safe place for all you pathetic carebears

Okay, so say we eliminate AFK cloaking.

Now I get a dram, fit it out to go 5-6k m/s cap stable, and leave that flying into space. Sure, you can probe it down, but by the time you warp to it it's off grid. AFK cloaking v2.0, nothing changes.

I can really get on board with this. Cloaking disconnects you from local, so they can't see you, but you can't see them either.

It would legitamize the black ops fleets and hunters moving in the same time as the fleets they'll be dropping.

EDIT: Fun fact, I'm afk cloaking your system right now...

Wormholes are like that and they make you fraking paranoid!