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CobaltSixty
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:54:00 -
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I would agree with 1MN microwarpdrives getting their sig bloom toned down like Hirana's post, but not having the same applied as a bonus to all ships. If the module change happened, the only necessary fix is to tone down the bonus Interceptors get so they more or less stay where they are now but the rest of 1MN-using hulls come down a bit.
What about, as a role bonus for Assault Ships: -80% to powergrid requirements of 10MN afterburners. I know it sounds silly at first but consider it for a moment.
- This would allow AFs to fit 10MN afterburners (only) for the cpu requirements of a 1MN MWD, yet with identical powergrid as a 1MN AB.
- Capacitor usage should be left unchanged so the module's demand is felt.
- The mass addition from the 10MN module means they're not very agile and would feel sluggish and cruiser-like with it activated. The module would mainly be used for depositing oneself into an orbit against a larger target and egressing from a threat.
- This gives the Assault Ship a unique approach to the tackle-above-itself role in boosted afterburner speed if you're willing to accept the drawbacks, such as conceding a significant edge in agility to T1 frigates and Interceptors.
- 1MN modules would still be preferred for hunting other frigates but are more dangerous against larger targets.
Assault Ships - Retribution Fix and Balancing Proposal for Upcoming 4th Bonus |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.12.29 07:15:00 -
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Except it would widen the gap between good/bad within the class in the same way the AB boost did, ships with enough range/tracking or agility/speed could care less about extra mass for the most part (ref: 100Mn Tengu). You also have to contend with the problem of having frigs running around at MWD+ speeds with no way other than the now weaker webs to slow them down .. scrams represent a pretty hefty balancing measure when it comes to MWD use. Basically a repeat of all the "evil" from the AB boost attempt, only with oversizing as the tool that gives them the insane speed with no sig bloom rather than a bonus.
For a scheme like that to work "as intended" you'd need to increase the mass added by the drives substantially which negatively impacts their legitimate users (cruisers/BCs) and that is a bit hamfisted I think you agree.
It is just insanely hard to come up with a bonus that is combat oriented without slamming ones head into the familiar walls of intra-/extra-class balance. |
Major Kim
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:32:00 -
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I think Cobalt has the right idea, Focus on ship bonni not role bonni. Not all of the ships have these role bonuses, (the force recon for instance only has the role bonus to cyno`s). Even though the chaos info is pre-sisi in house testing, it scares me to think they would give them a reduction to sig bloom, and i sincerely hope that it doesn`t go live. BTW, the reduction they propose only reduces the sig bloom by 100m on these frigates. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.31 03:20:00 -
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This stuff just makes my head spin, and I tend to feel a certain empathy for CCP Tallest everytime I see one of these threads.
I think the main reason for this, is that I see the tiers and tech levels as being limited by an inability to create a true role for each ship class. Calling it an Assault frigate doesn't really make it so, and people just tend to fit willy nilly until they find something that works.
Often, the most effective fit is something that was never intended in design. Adding bonuses and slots just makes matters worse, as the ships become exponentially more prone to breakage with every modification, and you may inadvertantly wreck a favorite wtflol fit in the process, or worse: make it better. |
tankus2
Endless Destruction Imperial Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:53:00 -
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Despite the fact that most people see frigates and only see a warp scram and/or web (or torpedos), Assault Frigates are meant to break out of this mold with firepower that would frighten most cruisers and, with a few numbers, scare battlecruisers. Drones? they'll get taken care of too. Random 300% damage? fine, be my guest.
These are supposed to be frigates that put 'combat' in 'combat frigate'. Changing them in the manner that Cobalt has conveniently listed out in two replies highlights this role, their intended role. Where the science gets done |
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