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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:51:00 -
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Did I just hear that correctly?
what's next.. dark midget frigrates??? |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1219
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:53:00 -
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I think they were joking. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:56:00 -
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It's the new trial account: Indefinite trial but permadeath. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1305
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:11:00 -
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First thought was when did they take the straitjacket off, but then he talked about these accounts would have no skill training, he got a bit conflicted then and talked about earning at double speed.
There's some idea here where you have disposable characters that can get going, doing stuff right away, and the account gets reset if you die, it seems.
Well, that's an option, one could get instantly useful alts, but the devil is in the detail, if I sub for a year and get podded, is all that subscription lost? Or do I have a character who is never able to do anything, sort of brain dead? Or do I reapply xmillion skill points again and roll a new set of skills and start again?
I wonder if he is talking more of a pheonix character rather than permadeath? Just lose your reputation. That has potential.
Or maybe they should put the straitjacket back on?
we will know when we see where this goes............. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23162
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:20:00 -
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not to mention the huge scalability of multiboxing plug-and-play utility characters. why maintain the character when you can just spawn one. 20 million SP is a very dangerous figure--it strikes me as a basic figure for an across the board level IV character, which compared to an all-V character is pretty close in most cases.
what do I think? a move toward Free to Play. just kidding. but a second sticking point was the part about limiting the uses for these easy bake characters. there's just one way they'll be used: the most exploitive and beneficial. everyone can count on that. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Twitter | mk.III | Imgur-á | Evening Games Club: the EVE casino concept redefined | |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4924
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:44:00 -
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With 20 million you could create a infinite army of market, science and datacore alts that never leave the station. Unless they have harsh restrictions on their skills, that concept will be very devastating to the account infrastructure of EVE. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:51:00 -
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Why don't they just run a special and run with the "pay to win" theme?
10Aurum and you get a shiny new alt, fully skilled for flying the T2 Neutron blaster fit Catalyst that comes with the account |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:58:00 -
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Was this at Eve Vegas? What did they say exactly? |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2168
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Posted - 2014.10.19 00:02:00 -
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I am intrigued and would like to know more from someone who actually saw the stream. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. Phoebe: Remember remember the fourth of november. |
Hong WeiLoh
Hong's Harriers
25
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Posted - 2014.10.19 00:46:00 -
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I was there (quite literally, up in my room working on blog entries right now), and I'm not even sure I "got it". First, he started talking about skilling twice as fast. Then, it was "implants" that "granted SP" that could be allocated, but only to certain skills (specific mention of NO trading/manufacturing/research skills).
Either way, permadeath pilots would be perma-suspect. The whole thing just made me sit and go "But, why??" Apparently after talking about it for 30 mins, you're supposed to buy into it, that's how long Rise said it took him to convince his team.
I'll have more when I actually make out the chicken-scratched notes and compose them into a shitpoast in my blog. :-D |
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
10080
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:04:00 -
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Hong WeiLoh wrote:I was there (quite literally, up in my room working on blog entries right now), and I'm not even sure I "got it". First, he started talking about skilling twice as fast. Then, it was "implants" that "granted SP" that could be allocated, but only to certain skills (specific mention of NO trading/manufacturing/research skills).
Either way, permadeath pilots would be perma-suspect. The whole thing just made me sit and go "But, why??" Apparently after talking about it for 30 mins, you're supposed to buy into it, that's how long Rise said it took him to convince his team.
I'll have more when I actually make out the chicken-scratched notes and compose them into a shitpoast in my blog. :-D Seems like a great way to have new players get a permadeath character so they can run missions without waiting for weeks and then get ganked and leave Eve. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10098
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:11:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote: Seems like a great way to have new players get a permadeath character so they can run missions without waiting for weeks and then get ganked and leave Eve.
That'd be hilarious. It would turn the game into a roguelike. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
60
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:32:00 -
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Hong WeiLoh wrote:I was there (quite literally, up in my room working on blog entries right now), and I'm not even sure I "got it". First, he started talking about skilling twice as fast. Then, it was "implants" that "granted SP" that could be allocated, but only to certain skills (specific mention of NO trading/manufacturing/research skills).
Either way, permadeath pilots would be perma-suspect. The whole thing just made me sit and go "But, why??" Apparently after talking about it for 30 mins, you're supposed to buy into it, that's how long Rise said it took him to convince his team.
I'll have more when I actually make out the chicken-scratched notes and compose them into a shitpoast in my blog. :-D
I did the exact same thing the moment he said it.. but why? huh? what?? |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:49:00 -
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Jump into PvP without any real loss yet balanced with permadeath alts while my main's now unlimited skill queue means I don't have to log him in for a couple of years?
Sure why not.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.19 02:30:00 -
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This would be an interesting idea. So I can create a new account with 3 permadeath characters and just have at it? O.O
I suppose the idea here must be to get newer players acquainted with the game and to see what they like about each type of ship plus fittings. That way they can then make a better choice regarding their nonpermadeath characters and focus skills toward exactly what they want. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17199
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Posted - 2014.10.19 02:33:00 -
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Soon we can roll a night elf, have pvp flags, and forests full of boars that we can hunt in 100% safety, as well as a store that will sell 30-day SP boosters.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen The Bastion
179
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Posted - 2014.10.19 03:10:00 -
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Yay for unlimited free station alts. |
Balrog Valarauko
Occupational Hazzard The Bastion
7
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Posted - 2014.10.19 03:20:00 -
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Anything that brings in loads of fresh meat and doesn't break the game for the existing player-base would be a good idea at this point.
IF they are smart about the limitations they place on free accounts and have real benefits for players that continue to subscribe, then F2P may be a great way to extend the life of this game. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
926
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Posted - 2014.10.19 03:23:00 -
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wtfisthisidonteven Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2379
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Posted - 2014.10.19 03:24:00 -
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dafuq are you all going on about? |
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2014.10.19 03:30:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:dafuq are you all going on about? Rise's new pet project, announced at Eve Vegas |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.19 04:53:00 -
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Restrictions were mentioned, including the obvious ones like high sec ganking, and station dweller roles. But really, removing applications for the characters also removes appeal. That leaves "whatever they will be best for," and that's fine.
I'm wondering if anyone else noticed an overarching theme between Seagull and Rise. It had to do with opening features to discussion in F&I, versus releasing them on TQ unannounced.
Seagull mentioned possible cases where changes will reach TQ unannounced and untested. Later, Rise also touched on the topic by saying some issues were not apparent until TQ, despite being on Sisi. He attributed this to a player's isolation on Sisi, which limits the thoroughness of testing.
By the way, player feedback is not as valid as you thought, because you know how to play this game. What's best is un-player feedback, from people (possibly children) who kinda know what EVE is maybe.
Then there's this scary permadeath... thing. Basically the holy grail of things that EVE players could hear from a dev. With other ambiguous changes predicted as unannounced, followed by an explanation why they maybe should be anyway sometimes not put on Sisi at all, there's this.
That convention hall looked pretty big, but so is the elephant Rise just placed in the middle of it. Without so much as a F&I thread.
Makes me wonder what announcements are planned for day 2. How is anyone supposed to follow that?
Also, Rise forgot to say whether the kids had a chance to provide permadeath feedback. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Twitter | mk.III | Imgur-á | Evening Games Club: the EVE casino concept redefined | |
Ria Nieyli
21893
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Posted - 2014.10.19 05:27:00 -
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This is... subpar.
Introducing a way to do consequence-free things on free alts in a game that's based on a persistant universe and the effects player actions is rather contrarian to the whole idea of EvE. Mirrored eyes |
Serene Repose
1548
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Posted - 2014.10.19 05:34:00 -
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I feel very uncomfortable speaking about these people using their avatar names. It smacks of testifying at an abuse trial using initials instead of names. Or, role playing at a tree-hugger convention. Or, attending a Hell's Angels convention. Or....
It's just weird. Does CCP have any employees that deal with reality?
Oh...the OP. I'm for it, until I'm against it. You can bank on that, but don't quote me on that. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1219
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Posted - 2014.10.19 05:52:00 -
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I think we need an official dev blog to explain this because i can totally see this getting out of hand. But remember this is a pet project, the player base still has the decision to say if its a good idea or not. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
526
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Posted - 2014.10.19 06:09:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGXayHeZO6o R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
828
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Posted - 2014.10.19 06:35:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Soon we can roll a night elf, have pvp flags, and forests full of boars that we can hunt in 100% safety, as well as a store that will sell 80 million SP characters.
/Fixed.
Blizzard store sells level 90 for Gé¼ 50.- now. Remove insurance. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4928
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Posted - 2014.10.19 07:42:00 -
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When a concept requires so many restrictions placed on top of it to become functional, one could question the validity of the concept itself. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
965
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Posted - 2014.10.19 08:15:00 -
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http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/01/winter-summit-day-two.html
Session Twelve: Discussion Hotel. The third of four NDA'ed sessions, this is a speculative idea that CCP has been throwing around the office that they wanted impartial feedback on. The idea itself (and therefore the session minutes) may never see the light of day. It's safe to say that the CSM was of mixed opinions on the idea, with some being hugely enthusiastic and others being hugely not so much. I'm really pleased that the devs in question felt that they could trust us to listen to a speculative idea and provide feedback without expectations. It's the very thing we promised them we would do when we took office. What they say they're gonna do? Fair game for follow-up. What they say they're just thinking about? We'll leave 'em alone.
---snip---
I've handed off the minutes I wrote for this session to a couple of reelected members of CSM8, who can publish them if they see fit to do so. I will say that I was one of the people who was unenthusiastic about this idea. aka Jester, who apparently was once entrusted to Wield The Banhammer to good effect. |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2014.10.19 08:20:00 -
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I too think permadeath is a dumb idea.
someone please gank the person who came up with it. (ingame only of course) |
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