Meh. Let me brainstorm some stuff.

Not capsuleers but mortal elite captains. Don't train skills. Skillset defined by chosen class. Restricted to one ship size/class. Mandatory membership in factional warfare. no wallet, no market ability. Earns LPs through FW. Can buy equipment with LPs. Capsuleers can offer LPs for equipment. When ship dies not in capsule but in escape pod. No warp in escape pod. Will get moved to the designated FW station after a timer expires should the pod survive. LP store offers skill implants to improve the ship crew.

Bah. Still no good. A game has to be designed around this concept. It just doesn't work right with EVE.

Oh how people fear change.

Just so that everyone is as informed as they can be, Rise discusses current thinking on perma death in EVE towards the end of his presentation called The New Player Experience, which can be found here.

The New Player Experience

Yes, the title of the presentation "is" slightly ironic as it pertains to this topic.

Just so that everyone is as informed as they can be, Rise discusses current thinking on perma death in EVE towards the end of his presentation called The New Player Experience, which can be found here.

The New Player Experience

Yes, the title of the presentation "is" slightly ironic as it pertains to this topic.

First thought was when did they take the straitjacket off, but then he talked about these accounts would have no skill training, he got a bit conflicted then and talked about earning at double speed.

There's some idea here where you have disposable characters that can get going, doing stuff right away, and the account gets reset if you die, it seems.

Well, that's an option, one could get instantly useful alts, but the devil is in the detail, if I sub for a year and get podded, is all that subscription lost? Or do I have a character who is never able to do anything, sort of brain dead?
Or do I reapply xmillion skill points again and roll a new set of skills and start again?

I wonder if he is talking more of a pheonix character rather than permadeath? Just lose your reputation. That has potential.

Or maybe they should put the straitjacket back on?

we will know when we see where this goes.............

Either way having free SP / XP / lvl's from the get go is never a good idea, no matter how smart for the business.

Just so that everyone is as informed as they can be, Rise discusses current thinking on perma death in EVE towards the end of his presentation called The New Player Experience, which can be found here.

The New Player Experience

Yes, the title of the presentation "is" slightly ironic as it pertains to this topic.

Everybody know trial account like that would be used massively more by vets who know how to optimise the training limit to get a "perfect" character for a specific job.

If they want to keep newbies, they have to find a way to make those newbies see what can be done in EVE during the trial time, not give them even more options which they have no idea are there or how to use them not to mention the complete reset of their progress even if they intend to sub because some people will make a career out of ganking these player because they can be veteran while the new player will again suffer from this. You don't keep customer by reseting their progress during the time they tried your game.

If you want more new player or to retain new player, stop building god damn alt functions. The new guy don't want an alt, he want to know if you game is worth his time and his :fifteenbux: . Teach him what he will be able to do in your game instead of piling more and more option on his plate knowing full well he can't even look through one fully before his time is out. Making him a potential perma death target is also a ****** idea because he most likely don't want to lose his 100% of his progress even if you promise he can get it back.

Would you throw money CCP's way if you were knew during the time you try to get a feel of their game, they let everybody in the game permanently reset any progress you have done if they choose to and there is nothing you can do about it beside pay before it happen?

It's the next logical step from allowing people to buy their way into the game with PLEX for character trading. Everyone who supported that mechanic implicitly supported this coming along.

Both buying this type of character and the permadeath is against the fundamental nature of Eve. When people start complaining and asking for their money back from CCP after losing money when someone pops them, hopefully this bad idea will be removed and the creator of it will be fired for being drunk on the job.

There's this trend of people thinking "it doesnt affect me, I don't have to use it if I dont like it, etc", its an MMO, it always affects you what goes into the game even if you choose not to use it. That's part of the package deal of MMOs and even real life. You cant avoid the affects of things that happen by not participating. They'll hit you anyways. People keep forgetting this simple rule even if they've run into it numerous times.

Did I just hear that correctly?


what's next.. dark midget frigrates???

Why don't they just run a special and run with the "pay to win" theme?

10Aurum and you get a shiny new alt, fully skilled for flying the T2 Neutron blaster fit Catalyst that comes with the account

It's the next logical step from allowing people to buy their way into the game with PLEX for character trading. Everyone who supported that mechanic implicitly supported this coming along.

Both buying this type of character and the permadeath is against the fundamental nature of Eve. When people start complaining and asking for their money back from CCP after losing money when someone pops them, hopefully this bad idea will be removed and the creator of it will be fired for being drunk on the job.

There's this trend of people thinking "it doesnt affect me, I don't have to use it if I dont like it, etc", its an MMO, it always affects you what goes into the game even if you choose not to use it. That's part of the package deal of MMOs and even real life. You cant avoid the affects of things that happen by not participating. They'll hit you anyways. People keep forgetting this simple rule even if they've run into it numerous times.

I like permadeath generally, but the amount of possible abuse in EVE is gigantic (Trader alts, manufacturing alts, supercap alts, ganking, awoxing...the list is probably endless).

I can-¦t think of a proper solution to that problem right now but if there is one: yes, permadeath please!