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Selena 001	Posted - 2006.08.20 13:26:00 - [31] I'm not defending the tactic, but I've lost a tanked Apoc to 2 camping BS in 2 cycles of a large armor repairer. All I'm saying is it can be done, and if you want a defence against the logging out, refit your ship for the purpose. ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Donna Heywood Amarr Celtic industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.20 13:36:00 - [32] Edited by: Donna Heywood on 20/08/2006 13:36:33 Again, if you have ever seen these guys in action a solo mach wouldn`t last long ...
Thor Payne ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.20 16:11:00 - [33] Edited by: Thor Payne on 20/08/2006 16:12:09 Accordingly to the Macherial pilot the 1st post of this tread in incorrect. He did not jump into the system. He had been there for 30 minutes before 6 hostile "Blood of the Innocents" came into system. 5 minutes later they brought in a covert ops pilot and he decided to log before they were able to find him. He had a cloak device on and was cloaked when he logged.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Fluffy wing Fangs	Posted - 2006.08.20 16:18:00 - [34] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 20/08/2006 16:18:41 Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 20/08/2006 16:17:51 Yes, this is a well-known bug and exploited lots by BS / Freighter pilots that jump into small camps. For some reason, if you're not agressed when you log, the PvP timer won't kick in when you are logged off and getting shot at / scrambled / etc. That Mach should've been there for the full 15 minutes and dead. He could've probably just MWDed to the gate and jumped out if he had any kind of decent setup on that thing :) Petition it btw, it can be seen as "using game mechanics in an inappropriate way to get an advantage", although the GM response will probably be: "People can log whenever they feel like". ------------------------------------------ A lapdance is always better when the exotic dancer is crying..
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.20 17:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Selena 001 I'm not defending the tactic, but I've lost a tanked Apoc to 2 camping BS in 2 cycles of a large armor repairer. All I'm saying is it can be done, and if you want a defence against the logging out, refit your ship for the purpose. I swear to God I've seen posts where you whine about gankers. If they'd set up max dmg ships they'd be lamers for doing that too wouldn't they? Seems the attacker will never get your backup since you can always throw the flipside of the argument back at them. It's a sploit and it would be nice if it got fixed.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:23:00 - [36] Oh ok I see, it's all clear now, he logged off while cloaked to... Oh yes, avoid 'being found' by a covert ops ship, right......I get it now... I quite frankly don't give a monkey's what the explanation is for the lameness involved, the fact of the matter is a ship appeared 15km from a gate, was warp scrambled and disappeared, and the same tactic is being used time and again, to make ships with large amounts of hitpoints nigh on invulnerable to all but large fleets by exploiting a flaw in the PvP timer - THAT is the crux of the matter. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:01:00 - [37] OLLI from SERAPHIM TECHNOLOGIES did this to me in MB-NKE He was in an Astarte, he logged in and jumped through the gate. He saw my sleipnir and logged off while cloaked. Noticing I wasn't taking damage on my Sleipnir OR Pilgrim I was worried why he wasn't shooting back... but I did have an ECM II on him. Took him into low armor/struct and the rest of the gang arrived... he vanished. $$$$%%Q@#$%Q$#%Q#$%#$O^%TO$#Q JKOFDSJTGLASFDJGLSFDJG:FDSAGLFDSJGL DFKDLSFGLSFD JGLSFD GK That is basically the reaction I have at this time. FIX THIS BULLCRAP NOW! Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
N Solarz Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:16:00 - [38] i was there for the mb incident. was complete bs. we had him tackled to the point that no amount of wcs' could have helped. fix this.
Minerdog	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:12:00 - [39] People really need to stop being the biggest whining carebears in the world. 2nd of all, in reply to this: Quote: Again, if you have ever seen these guys in action a solo mach wouldn`t last long ... From my personal experience, all 'these guys' do is run around smacktalking in local, and once they're cornered, THEY LOG OFF. "Oh crap, i have to go eat supper, cya guys!". Nice one.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Minerdog People really need to stop being the biggest whining carebears in the world. 2nd of all, in reply to this: Quote: Again, if you have ever seen these guys in action a solo mach wouldn`t last long ... From my personal experience, all 'these guys' do is run around smacktalking in local, and once they're cornered, THEY LOG OFF. "Oh crap, i have to go eat supper, cya guys!". Nice one. And some people need to learn not to run their mouths when they don't know what they are talking about... There is a FLAW here that allows a work around of the 15 minute PvP timer. As to your 'personal experience' I don't know you, and you probably don't know me. The general tone of conversation I've had in local have been of the form "good fight" or "awesome fight mate", so I'll leave it to the pilots IÆve fought against/alongside to decide on my abilities not some random alt posting flame-bait. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:38:00 - [41] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 21/08/2006 18:38:49 i've posted about this many times already. For anybody who doesn't think this issue is a problem...you're wrong. It makes capitol ships nearly unkillable, particularly freighters. The solution is to have aggro timer take affect if the ship is aggro'd at any time before it disappears. Supposedly CCP will add this in one of the fabled patches.
Kage Getsu Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:44:00 - [42] I'd be happy with the random warpoff if probes didn't suck amazing amounts of Amarr. _________________________________________________________
Lord Spidey Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:46:00 - [43] I bet this was some ISSN guy named Jester or something like that in or around Curse/Catch. I say this cuz he did the same thing to us 2 nights ago. I just watched him log in and out on my address book and he logged when he jumped into our camp the first time.
Akira Kaneshiro Caldari Associated Press	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:57:00 - [44] ---- sig ---- Stop whining. Deal with it or quit the game.
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.08.21 19:09:00 - [45] I understand your frustration and feel you completely. However at this time, most if not all the times Eve becomes unstable leading to a crash is during a session change, especialy when jumping and might be even switching node... There's gonna be a lot of grief if they don't sort that out as well... and I'm usualy on the hunter side so I can sympathize
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 19:23:00 - [46] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... In any event, I'm not sure there is much CCP can do. Many of the CTD's or "stuck lag" I have are when I hit the "Jump" button on a gate. CCP may well know that a large percentage of crashes occur with this action, and this would mean an assload more reimbursement petitions for them... As I stated in another thread, you have to abolish logging off along with log on traps by making ships NEVER disappear from space. If you can't get to a station to logoff in, then your ship remains in space, with your POD in it as well, with all your implants too... Logon traps are just as ghey as logging off... And something tells me the whiners in this thread would not hesitate to logon to gank someone, but will whine their head off for losing a kill to a logger... Persistent universe should mean what it says... No quit button of any kind... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 19:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... Does the phrase "why don't you go play hide and go ** yourself you piece of **" ring any bells with you? no? ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Tentacles Out	Posted - 2006.08.21 20:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... Does the phrase "why don't you go play hide and go ** yourself you piece of **" ring any bells with you? no? LOL someone forgot to take their prozak
Arkanor Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.21 20:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Or you could just exploit faulty game mechanics giving you a 'get out of jail free' card.... Eve is all about playing hardcore and winning, so what do you think 99.998% of people would do if they were flying a faction battleship? If something is implemented in eve that gives one an advantage, it will be exploited to its fullest potential, therefore, in this case, it must be removed. Originally by: Ghosthowl WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face. Originally by: HippoKing I just cried, you know that?
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.21 21:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Masu'di yeh, this happened to us when we caught a Knights of the Southerncross freighter. I hear this is quite a common tactic of freighter pilots without honour in general, logging after they jump through a gate and only getting 45secs before they dissapear It is, Count tassesine or whatever his name is logged on my corp a while back while he was cloaked, and they do dissapear very quickly. Timer should start when you fire at them even after they have logged. That works for me. PvP only, though. Disconnects in PvE should be more forgiving. And I don't get why logging from a dictor bubble isn't considered an exploit tbh.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 21:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... Does the phrase "why don't you go play hide and go ** yourself you piece of **" ring any bells with you? no? You seem very excitable... Excitable children normally tend to exaggerate, like I feel you may have done so with your "story". ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Elaine Threepwood Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 21:39:00 - [52] Edited by: Elaine Threepwood on 21/08/2006 21:40:31 Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... In any event, I'm not sure there is much CCP can do. Many of the CTD's or "stuck lag" I have are when I hit the "Jump" button on a gate. CCP may well know that a large percentage of crashes occur with this action, and this would mean an assload more reimbursement petitions for them... As I stated in another thread, you have to abolish logging off along with log on traps by making ships NEVER disappear from space. If you can't get to a station to logoff in, then your ship remains in space, with your POD in it as well, with all your implants too... Logon traps are just as ghey as logging off... And something tells me the whiners in this thread would not hesitate to logon to gank someone, but will whine their head off for losing a kill to a logger... Persistent universe should mean what it says... No quit button of any kind... I can assure you the OP isn't lying. Lord Spidey maybe onto something with the name he mentioned btw . I can also assure you that we're not the type to exploit logon traps either - I play this game for fun, and sitting on TS waiting for a corpmate to tell us all to log on to gank someone isn't my idea of fun. I know what you are saying about the crashing while jumping thing, IMO losing a ship occasionally to this is worth not having people log off in combat intentionally. EDIT: Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Masu'di yeh, this happened to us when we caught a Knights of the Southerncross freighter. I hear this is quite a common tactic of freighter pilots without honour in general, logging after they jump through a gate and only getting 45secs before they dissapear It is, Count tassesine or whatever his name is logged on my corp a while back while he was cloaked, and they do dissapear very quickly. Timer should start when you fire at them even after they have logged. That works for me. PvP only, though. Disconnects in PvE should be more forgiving. And I don't get why logging from a dictor bubble isn't considered an exploit tbh. QFT. Team Minmatar forums
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 21:40:00 - [53] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 21/08/2006 21:41:36 Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... Does the phrase "why don't you go play hide and go ** yourself you piece of " ring any bells with you? no? You seem very excitable... Excitable children normally tend to exaggerate, like I feel you may have done so with your "story". I'm sorry you expect me to be nice to you when you attack my character? you, you arrogant **e. Oh, do you actually have something to contribute other than personal attacks and trolling? or shall we just let this become a flame-fest? ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 21:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 21/08/2006 21:41:36 Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 19:25:21 Someone in this thread seems to be lying, quite possibly the OP IMO... Does the phrase "why don't you go play hide and go ** yourself you piece of " ring any bells with you? no? You seem very excitable... Excitable children normally tend to exaggerate, like I feel you may have done so with your "story". I'm sorry you expect me to be nice to you when you attack my character? you, you arrogant e. Oh, do you actually have something to contribute other than personal attacks and trolling? or shall we just let this become a flame-fest? You never got past my first sentence in my original post, your anus was too tight or something... What I said is logoff is bad, but it's understandable why CCP has not acted upon the current situation... Quote:** In any event, I'm not sure there is much CCP can do. Many of the CTD's or "stuck lag" I have are when I hit the "Jump" button on a gate. CCP may well know that a large percentage of crashes occur with this action, and this would mean an assload more reimbursement petitions for them... As I stated in another thread, you have to abolish logging off along with log on traps by making ships NEVER disappear from space. If you can't get to a station to logoff in, then your ship remains in space, with your POD in it as well, with all your implants too... Logon traps are just as ghey as logging off... And something tells me the whiners in this thread would not hesitate to logon to gank someone, but will whine their head off for losing a kill to a logger... Persistent universe should mean what it says... No quit button of any kind... BTW, you do need to work on your anger issues... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 21:54:00 - [55] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 21/08/2006 21:54:15 Lets get one thing straight here, you waltz in here and call me a liar, what do you expect? ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 22:06:00 - [56] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 21/08/2006 21:54:15 Lets get one thing straight here, you waltz in here and call me a liar, what do you expect? And you come to the forums crying "PvP timer nonsense - Fix it please!" What do you expect? You think youÆre the first braniac to point this out to CCP? You came here balling because you, the all important Gabriel Karade fell "victim" to a pilot who may or may not have logged out on you if you believe the story... As if CCP needs to fix this for your killboard stats... And to make YOU happy... OBVIOUSLY CCP sees more harm in changing the logoff timer right now than any good that can come of it, like making whiners like you happy. There are many more ppl CTD'ing and getting stuck after jumping than ppl like you crying about losing a kill... If you can't handle getting hammered for a stupid thread, don't post... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 22:08:00 - [57] Either: 1/ Back up your assertion I'm somehow lying. 2/ Apologise ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 22:12:00 - [58] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 22:12:32 Originally by: Gabriel Karade Either: 1/ Back up your assertion I'm somehow lying. 2/ Apologise Why? I don't believe you're telling the truth, and your subsequent tantrum is only strengthening my opinion... I tend to believe ISS's version of the story. You have brought up nothing new with your thread, seems to me you just want attention at the expense of ISS... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.21 22:14:00 - [59] Originally by: RobW1 Everyone has bugreported this, right? With the appropriate log files? I sent a bug report regarding this issue when Oveur asked for information regarding how people were in some cases able to avoid the pvp timer. At the time, I really believed that they would do something about it.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.21 22:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/08/2006 22:12:32 Originally by: Gabriel Karade Either: 1/ Back up your assertion I'm somehow lying. 2/ Apologise Why? I don't believe you're telling the truth, and your subsequent tantrum is only strengthening my opinion... I tend to believe ISS's version of the story. You have brought up nothing new with your thread, seems to me you just want attention at the expense of ISS... If you assert something back it up, it's quite simple. If you're going to attack someone's character you had better have good reason to... The pilot's name is now in this thread, his previous actions also noted. Do you really believe someone would log off to avoid being detected by a covert ops while cloaked? ---------- - Office Linebacker -

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