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Irrilian
Eve University
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brundle Fish I understand that this was a test but really, you keep your valuables in a cardboard box gaurded by a crippled hamster and someone is going to take them. You don't need to test that.
ThatÆs the same crippled hamster that successfully repulsed BOB on their Easter roadtrip.
Another misconception that NAGA is loaded with isk:
NAGA started with a tech2 co-op, people pooling their blueprints to provide one another with items. Such evolved into the Stepstone project where BPO holders could lodge their techII blueprints with NAGA whom handle all the production and sale, in return for a regular dividend of something like 90% of the profit. A partnership where those fortunate enough to get BPOs get a very nice regular income without the hastle and NAGA gets to advance their cause of providing cheap techII to the masses.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 20/08/2006 22:54:58
IMHO, the Big Blue's big mistake was to go for a neutral's policy which always encourages pilots in the area, wether in Big Blue or not, to see the facilities provided as a free ride.
Neutrals in 0.0, specially where conquerable stations are concerned, does not work. CFS proved that pretty conclusively back in the day.
I still don't understand why an entity like EVE-Univerity would forego a fantastic recruitment opportunity like providing 0.0 access to new players, in order to satisfy the unworkable idealistic notion of free access to 0.0
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hangovur
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.21 04:37:00 -
[33]
:-(
sad to see. i have the utmost respect for the NAGA and EVE-uni guys who worked so hard to serve others. most people dont understand how selfless the big blue project was, but those who worked to build and maintain it always will. TBB was great during its short life. GL in your future endevours to all TBB corps.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.08.21 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 20/08/2006 22:54:58
IMHO, the Big Blue's big mistake was to go for a neutral's policy which always encourages pilots in the area, wether in Big Blue or not, to see the facilities provided as a free ride.
Neutrals in 0.0, specially where conquerable stations are concerned, does not work. CFS proved that pretty conclusively back in the day.
I still don't understand why an entity like EVE-Univerity would forego a fantastic recruitment opportunity like providing 0.0 access to new players, in order to satisfy the unworkable idealistic notion of free access to 0.0
goonfleet did alright until they decided to go invade elsewhere in terms of access to 0.0 and recruitment.
Im sure NAGA and co will continue to operate heck there may be another move with kali to go forward time will tell - that region tho is now up for grabs can see a few alliances going in for it.
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Romble
Eve University
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Posted - 2006.08.21 07:23:00 -
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Yes, it's sad to see. We put a lot of effort into the project and a lot of people, neutrals, allies, new players, and corp members truly appreciated their time in IPS. It was a unique space in Eve.
Yes, now E-R have sov of the system and now "the red pill" as they have named it. 
My MMORPG History: Ac->AO->DAOC->SWG->COH->WoW->Eve |

Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.21 07:47:00 -
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The only thing MC really did was ***** the aura of invincibility that the IPS constellation seemed to posses due to its abundance of POS defenses. TBB made the error of attempting to get into the super capital ship "market". It is common knowledge that there are one hell of a lot of people in this game who do not want to see twenty more corps like The Establishment running wild through their territory with nigh-unstoppable, fleet spawning monstrosities.
If people wish to place blame for TBBÆs ultimate fall, they might want to look at the continued efforts of corps like SAS over the past couple months. Even with the number of people in this and previous posts who have pointed out the two months of near constant siege the constellation has been under after the MC left, there are still those who wish to lay the blame at our feet for the fall of Big Blue. 
By their own admission on more than one occasion, TBB has no one to blame but themselves for failing to put their foot down and hold their own space. Of key note in all of this is that they failed to create and fund a dedicated military force, such as what ISS has done with the ISS Navy, to drive off the riffraff and opportunists that plague any 0.0 resident. Depending on the good will of the community goes only so far because, eventually, someone is going to come pounding on your door looking for a fight.
It was a bold and ultimately doomed experiment. Maybe another consortium will try it again in the future with a bit more firepower backing the idea up. I have nothing but respect for EVE University and the role they played in TBB and wish all of the former TBB corps well in the future.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.21 08:28:00 -
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It's a shame to see this endeavour fail. I speak from experience when I say I know how hard it is to build something in EVE. There's just so many who want to tear it apart.
Best wishes guys, and may your next venture be more successful. (And hey, if you're looking for another alliance, maybe consider having a word with ISS :))
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.21 08:36:00 -
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BLUE did the same mistakes CFS did back in the day.
There are no neutrals in 0.0, only blues and not-blues..
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Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.21 09:12:00 -
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Sad New today
I wish you good luck Eve University, Naga and all other corps in TBB
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Chai N'Dorr
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.21 09:32:00 -
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Always a sad day when something more neutral to Neutrals kicks the bucket. _
Short Story: Planetside |

Gwarnina
Minmatar Eve University
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Posted - 2006.08.21 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa At least their members learned pvp the hard way in bwf while it lasted 
That which does not kill you makes you stronger.
Burn Eden made us stronger. SAS and E-R eventually killed us. We awoke in our empire cloning stations, but our skills and experiences stayed intact. Thank you all for doing your bit, regardless of which side of the gun you were on. It was fun while it lasted (though understandably less fun in the last two months).
PS: Where is Chandoi when the world needs him? .
Dedicated to helping newcomers to EVE - join ingame channel EVE UNIVERSITY and ask your question!
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Sable Schroedinger
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.21 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming BLUE did the same mistakes CFS did back in the day.
There are no neutrals in 0.0, only blues and not-blues..
this is only the case because you believe it the case. You're in a very small box, tied down by thoughts of the past, freedom is but a lid away... --------------------------------------------
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Ange1
Gallente The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.21 10:50:00 -
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The Establishment will always remember The Big Blue for what they did for us. It is regrettable that we may have indirectly began their demise when we got our Motherhsip, but such is life.
The Establishment is at your service...
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Amarria Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.21 11:20:00 -
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Well it was fun while it lasted, but all good things must come to an end, and so did IPS. At least for the time being :) Now it's back to empire and take all our efforts back into the corp again. Wish all blue corps the best of luck :)
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Hermia
HIVE
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Posted - 2006.08.21 12:00:00 -
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hopefully in the future NAGA can find another military and perfect nation security for a longer stint.
Its unfortunate, but this game (as a political experiment) favors the formation of fasict states and xenophobic ideas. The tools for liberal nations dont exist, atleast not formally, but that is a problem.
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Cadman Weyland
Millennium E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.21 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 21/08/2006 13:58:44
Originally by: Seleene stuff
Zz might kill me for saying this given his ties with U, but its awefully convinent that with Naga/Blues outposts and ship yards gone, one of the MCs prime competitors in Capitals Building goes bye bye.
A shame to see their enterprise go under.
Edited for mass typos 
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.21 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cadman Weyland Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 21/08/2006 13:58:44
Originally by: Seleene stuff
Zz might kill me for saying this given his ties with U, but its awefully convinent that with Naga/Blues outposts and ship yards gone, one of the MCs prime competitors in Capitals Building goes bye bye.
A shame to see their enterprise go under.
Edited for mass typos 
Tinfoil hat time again 
However most of the cap ship stuff goes back into the MC.
But theres plenty of people out there that wouldn't want cap ship yards built.
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Michuh
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene It is common knowledge that there are one hell of a lot of people in this game who do not want to see twenty more corps like The Establishment running wild through their territory with nigh-unstoppable, fleet spawning monstrosities.
That alone is reason enough to remove an alliance, at this stage of the game.. Perhaps in a year or so, when Motherships are beginning to replace the carriers in the large alliance capital front, perhaps then, there may be room enough for alliances such as Trust, and The Big Blue to start rolling motherships etc off the production lines..
Maelstrom Recruitment
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Ange1
Gallente The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.21 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Michuh
That alone is reason enough to remove an alliance, at this stage of the game.. Perhaps in a year or so, when Motherships are beginning to replace the carriers in the large alliance capital front, perhaps then, there may be room enough for alliances such as Trust, and The Big Blue to start rolling motherships etc off the production lines..
I believe their problem with people like us having Motherships in our possession is the amount of power it gives us. Usually a small group like us can be chased away by a fleet that will typically outnumber/outgun us heavily. With the Nyx though, we can simply up the ante by jumping it in, and we do use the Nyx in a very unrestricted way. Will most likely be our undoing, but we see no reason to hide it because it *might* get blown up one day to a trap.
The Establishment is at your service...
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Ronan Teisdari
Eve University
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Posted - 2006.08.21 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene If people wish to place blame for TBBÆs ultimate fall, they might want to look at the continued efforts of corps like SAS over the past couple months. Even with the number of people in this and previous posts who have pointed out the two months of near constant siege the constellation has been under after the MC left, there are still those who wish to lay the blame at our feet for the fall of Big Blue. 
By their own admission on more than one occasion, TBB has no one to blame but themselves for failing to put their foot down and hold their own space. Of key note in all of this is that they failed to create and fund a dedicated military force, such as what ISS has done with the ISS Navy, to drive off the riffraff and opportunists that plague any 0.0 resident. Depending on the good will of the community goes only so far because, eventually, someone is going to come pounding on your door looking for a fight.
As Seleene said, it wasn't MC who killed BLUE.
After MC left, BLUE went through some reorganization. We were in the process of rebuilding the POS networking for defenses. We were in the process of establishing a ship replacement fund for the PvP'rs who wanted to protect IPS. We were rebuilding a stronger BLUE.
SAS came in... and ganked away with all T2 ships and equipment. Most people in IPS at this time were E-UNI, who used T1 frigs / cruisers and equipment, with the few T2 fitted ships.
SAS enlisted help from F-E, A HOY, PURE, TEAM1, and finally Euphoria Unleashed. There were 20+ dreads and carriers in system taking out POS's on some days.
As of now, E-R controls both stations IPS and the surrounding areas. All though there is only about 15 people in system now at any given time, as E-R has engaged else where.
It wasn't MC, but SAS and friend who got the final kill BLUE.
BLUE has run a great course, and will be missed.
Best of luck to all current and past members of BLUE in the future.
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Nyssa Dakalsai
Cosmic Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.21 16:42:00 -
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Best of luck to the remnants of Blue, maybe one day your dream will become a reality
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Michuh
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.21 17:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ange1
..... With the Nyx though, we can simply up the ante by jumping it in, and we do use the Nyx in a very unrestricted way. Will most likely be our undoing, but we see no reason to hide it because it *might* get blown up one day to a trap.
I admire your corps courage, for the simple reason.. that the ship isnt sitting there in a POS bubble.. Its being used.. Sure wish I could get the final blow on it tho 
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Poundrock
Eve University
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Posted - 2006.08.21 17:40:00 -
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Forever Blue... :( Was a great time. Thanks to everyone involved, including all the baddies that turned a lot of us miners into harderned fighters, hehe. :) Good luck NAGA and friends, maybe someday this can happen again ...
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Rick Thwaites
DarkVengeance Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.21 17:50:00 -
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From the ex-CEO of NEMP. Sorry to see you guys go. I had a lot of fun, and BLUE taught me almost everything I know. -- Max sig dimensions are 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected])
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.21 17:54:00 -
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It was a nice experiment.
Many groups and corps have been interested in capturing space. Most of them never get a chance. You need the right combination of pvp ability and circumstance in order to capture and hold those player conquerable stations.
The Big Blue certainly didn't have the military to capture some already existing conquerable station, so they just built their own. They lasted a lot longer than I would have expected if I bothered to think about it at the beginning. They didn't have the military to conquer; they don't have the military to hold.
This is a good case study for industrialists who are contemplating different ways of entering 0.0.
Good luck in the future, BB.
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Marcus Thrawn
Caldari Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.21 18:44:00 -
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On behalf of Fatalix Inc, I would like to thank the other ex-corporations in TBB for your help and support during the IPS experiment. Good luck to all other ex-TBB corporations. -----
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Gunship
Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.21 18:59:00 -
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better to try and fail, than newer try at all 
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John Blackthorn
Foundation Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:29:00 -
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I really liked the ideas of big blue and there efforts to allow people from empire to explore 0.0 space. It gave them the taste of what it was like and thus would want to move futher out into 0.0 were all people would have more targets and more fun... Instead groups decided to destroy big blue and what they stood for. Sad really...
Thanks for your support and your efforts Big Blue! You will be missed.
-John Blackthorn
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Great Guardian
Minmatar Supremacy
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:01:00 -
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Sad moment for EVE indeed.
Shame on those who started it (MC and their ôsecretö BoB employers) and those who finished that dirty job.
GG
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kuolematon on 21/08/2006 20:44:44 Yesh! Another worthless carebear project bites the dust.
Now BoB needs to kill ISS and we will have cleared 0.0 from carebears that dosen't understand that EVE is all about killing and destroying - not creating. Goons are already dead, Blue now following .. ISS is left. Go BoB, save PvP EVE! STOP CAREBEARS!  
Unnerf Amarr! "Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
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