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FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.20 18:36:00 - [61] I think what he meant was: Shame on you all for continuing to whine, even when the devs give apologies. Many other MMO's have little/no response from the devs when unexpected downtime/bugs come into play. What I do the rest of the time.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.20 18:48:00 - [62] Quote: Stop coding now and improve on performance. You do realize that a graphics artist or AI programmer would have no clue how to fix network problems right? That's why they can work on content while optimizing performance, not everyone at CCP has the same skills and job description. The new BFG.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Cattie Bri I'm interested in anybody who is leaving because of all the server crashes that have been happening. Stories of losses... Stories of "hurry up and wait" on petitions... GM "excuses"... How fed up are you about the customer service (or lack of)... I loled ,good joke.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 20/08/2006 18:37:46 The OP was rather civil compared to the problems eve is currently facing. Server crashes + GM situation + lag + bugs. For a rant to be inapropriate in this situation, it would have to include death threats to the devs. There is a relationship between devs and customers - without them no eve, without us noone who would share their vision (or pay for it). I am part of it, as is the OP, and every whiner here. I and many others feel that the service right now (on many levels, not just server crashes as i they dont really affect me much) is terrible enough to warrant angry complaints. Without them, how are the devs going to know for sure that people dont think "its a problem, like stabs and instas" but "its a problem, fix it NOW, or its no longer worth it at all". Without preasure, no improvement. And the devs dont exactly look like whiney psychos who jump of a bridge when you say that wow is better then eve. If you really want to help them, do something useful. So stop anti-whining, and go do something useful, like bughunting on the testserver. There is no need for a whip when the slaves are working. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Damfoose FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 20:14:00 - [65] Well ive been playing almost a year, I will agree its been laggy and crashed more in recent times but on a whole its damn good and im not even thinking of cancelling, to be honest im thinkng of starting another account to set of in another direction. I love eve its my mistress and you can ask my other half she calls it my mistress as well, Me hugs eve
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:06:00 - [66] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers I and many others feel that the service right now (on many levels, not just server crashes as i they dont really affect me much) is terrible enough to warrant angry complaints. Without them, how are the devs going to know for sure that people dont think "its a problem, like stabs and instas" but "its a problem, fix it NOW, or its no longer worth it at all". Without preasure, no improvement. But pressure will also not make the problem fundamentally easier to solve. From the posts of several dev's on the subject, it should already be obvious that they consider the current situation a Grade A Critical problem. There's no extra priority to push it to, more angry complaints are not going to create more hours in the day for them to work. Valar has posted to state that he'd identified causes of the server troubles, and put fixes into the patch on Tuesday. Yet people still complain loudly. The Dragon patch has been stated to contain many fixes and optimisations to server and client, yet people still complain that nothing is being done to improve matters. Dev claims are dismissed as PR, or outright lies, to allow them to continue their ranting. Originally by: Argenton Sayvers And the devs dont exactly look like whiney psychos who jump of a bridge when you say that wow is better then eve. No, but if the noise coming from the community is incessent whining about things they've already fixed, are in the process of fixing, or have already explained why it can't be fixed, then they're inevitably going to start tuning out the community. In the end, it'll just result in the really important complaints being drowned in the mass of whines. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:10:00 - [67] I hope you realize whining because you can't play means you care, making any threats to quit sound empty. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:19:00 - [68] mmmm i just paid for another account - ah well im happy
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:33:00 - [69] Originally by: Onmarr Shan I'm happy. I'm first. If you are leaving, can I have your stuff please? :) +1 The one who tell me which multiplayer game have no bugs win a cookie.
Chrisb6122 Gallente Slaves to humanity	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Matthew was stuff /me wonders why u don't talk ingame anymore
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Seduceress This is not a "revenge" issue... This is a "why pay for a service when it only gets worse by the day"... This is a "why work you butt off to pay for something and then loose it all because their server crashes and they just tell you to wait until THEY decide THEY are gonna get off their a** and do something about it" ALL FOR A MONTHLY FEE... first, who is they? second if you are working your butt off to pay for this game or to make isk ingame to aquire things you shouldnt be playing, let alone posting. this is a game, with games come problems, if you are so wrapped up in the eve world you need to cancel and enjoy real life 24/7 for a few years to regain your perspective. what was the point of your post?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.20 23:09:00 - [72] Yeah, I'm quitting and taking my 19,423 accounts with me! Auctioning a rare item, the only remote HULL repairers in the game. Don't miss out, this chance won't come again.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.08.20 23:15:00 - [73] well, most ppl whineing here have no clue how computers and servers work... if they did.. theyd understand why they crash sometimes....like overload on some systems or the server didnt boot up whit full recourses and stuff. server admin can be a hell of a job sometimes... im glad im not.. i just make stupid programs that dont work and crash the servers :P
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.08.20 23:19:00 - [74] Edited by: Riho on 20/08/2006 23:19:18 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Onmarr Shan I'm happy. I'm first. If you are leaving, can I have your stuff please? :) +1 The one who tell me which multiplayer game have no bugs win a cookie. ill give a freaking PIE if someone points to a perfect mmo whit no bugs, no server issues, no downtime couse of crashes, gms as good as EVE ones.
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.20 23:43:00 - [75] Hmmmm, most MMO's are incredibly complex software systems with millions of lines of code. Most of them are developed using tools which, themselves, are designed with millions of lines of code. Most of them are also run atop operating systems which, you guessed it, are composed of millions of lines of code and built using those same development tools. Oh yes, don't forget that the firmware that's embedded in the hardware which runs the operating system is ALSO a few hundred thousand lines of code... probably written using those same development tools. A bug in the OS might cause a crash. A bug in the hardware might cause the OS to crash, which will crash the game. A bug in the development tool might produce a bug in the game, OS, or firmware. Of course, there's plent of room for bugs in the game itself. Ok, so EVE has a good sized collection of bugs. So does every other MMO I've played. So do most of the single player games I've played. Even console games, which are written for KNOWN hardware configurations, have the occasional bug (GTA3 on the PS2 crashes if you explode while crossing a zone boundry). Long story short, will you quit writing because every now and then, your pencil lead breaks? Stop driving a car because the wheels spin on ice every once in a while? Maybe you'll quit using electricity because the power company can't give you five nine's of uptime a year... In any case, can I have your stuff? <=----=> *Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion. Kerr Avon*: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
Laekon Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.20 23:46:00 - [76] still better sever performance than WoW. CCP is still the best!
WildAmishRose Caldari Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:54:00 - [77] Luckily I work nights, and I never have to worry about server crashes or lag. I <3 CCP, all you day shift people can continue to suffer! In all seriousness though, It's server hiccups, It'll all work out.
Stephen HB Mystical Knights	Posted - 2006.08.21 01:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Cattie Bri Are you leaving because of the server crashes? No. Next question. ---------- Signature core stabiliser II activated. This sig is immune to mod tampering! Rawr! EVE Tracking Guide
Sabishii	Posted - 2006.08.21 02:25:00 - [79] To the OP, and to those who complain about apologies: Obviously, you've not bothered to read the server issues thread. ad you chosen to you would realize that the faults have been identified and workarounds are in place. Further, the faults will be patched out of existence on Tuesday. Now quit wasting your time on the forums and get back to playing.
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.08.21 02:29:00 - [80] Originally by: Jim McGregor Leaving as "revenge" is pretty stupid.. the only one losing out is you. :) Soon Eve will be back to normal im sure. Has EVE EVER been back to normal since the deployment of any content patch? Unless your refering to normal as what we've gotten used to as its progressivly gotten worse? Nah, I'm just kidding. Eve is great. just look a the forums. ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!

Sharkbait	Posted - 2006.08.21 02:39:00 - [81] Originally by: hendo001 Hopefully with the dragon patch it might help with the server crashes....... Dragon has a lot of stuff in it to help pervent the issues we have been having lately. Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Angry Alt Stop coding now and improve on performance. You don't think that maybe they might need to do a bit of coding to improve performance? while this is true. there is fixes, improvements and content being programed all the time. there are quite a few programmers and they all do different jobs. some code fixes, some code content and some code improvements/optimizations i was going to lock this topic also, but i read a lot of good things and positive support and decided not to. thx peeps

Selena 001	Posted - 2006.08.21 02:44:00 - [82] Originally by: Sharkbait Originally by: hendo001 Hopefully with the dragon patch it might help with the server crashes....... Dragon has a lot of stuff in it to help pervent the issues we have been having lately. I'm not doing this because I'm looking for trouble, but when you login the news item says that the cause hasn't been identified. How can you fix something that hasn't been identified as the problem? Sorry... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Kai Jyokoroi 133rd Ghost Wing R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.21 02:56:00 - [83] Edited by: Kai Jyokoroi on 21/08/2006 02:56:59 Angry Alt, tell me - how much experience do you have of running the largest concurrent internet gaming database there is? Do you know the technical difficulties inherent in dealing with 25,000 concurrent users on the single largest multiplayer shard in the world, whilst all the while developing fresh content? Unless you have, then seriously man, shut UP. You sound like a child. Occasional 30 minute outages are the price you pay for being in a totally unique environment such as this one. You don't have to pay them those 15 euros a month, you know. Just stop paying for your account. The lag decreases because of less users online, you get to make your grand toys-out-of-the-pram gesture - everyone is happy. Eve would be better off without you. _____________ The day I receive my first moderator forum-sig hijack is the day I realise I have won Eve.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.08.21 05:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi Edited by: Kai Jyokoroi on 21/08/2006 02:56:59 Angry Alt, tell me - how much experience do you have of running the largest concurrent internet gaming database there is? Do you know the technical difficulties inherent in dealing with 25,000 concurrent users on the single largest multiplayer shard in the world, whilst all the while developing fresh content? Unless you have, then seriously man, shut UP. You sound like a child. Occasional 30 minute outages are the price you pay for being in a totally unique environment such as this one. You don't have to pay them those 15 euros a month, you know. Just stop paying for your account. The lag decreases because of less users online, you get to make your grand toys-out-of-the-pram gesture - everyone is happy. Eve would be better off without you. "Occasional 30 minute outages are the price you pay for being in a totally unique environment such as this one." Ever played SWG? try 3-4 hours.... Eve is easily the most stable MMORPG I have played. As to the OP, you think this customer service is bad? Ackehece, the last Rifle(wo)man corrospondent for SWG, had a reply about Flamethrower petition right before the NGE, that was sent in before pub 2...... that's years, not months fellas.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:48:00 - [85] Originally by: Chrisb6122 Originally by: Matthew was stuff /me wonders why u don't talk ingame anymore I do, just haven't seen you in any of the same channels as me for ages Originally by: Selena 001 I'm not doing this because I'm looking for trouble, but when you login the news item says that the cause hasn't been identified. How can you fix something that hasn't been identified as the problem? Timing is all-important here. I assume you're referring to this news article, 2006.08.20 12:21:23. There is then this post by valar, 2006.08.20 01:49:00, where the majority of the problems have had their causes and fixes identified. The only outstanding issue from that post is why the Polaris node died, and I'm sure solving that is high on Valar's list of things to do. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Vladimir Ilych TMA-1	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:54:00 - [86] no
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.21 07:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Cattie Bri Are you leaving because of server crashes? I have considered quitting Eve several times for different reasons and this, or any other supposed 'customer support' issue, was never one of them. ----------
31i73 BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 08:07:00 - [88] I agree, that server hiccups are annoying, and even more so, if you lose ingame assets/training because of it, and further because there apparently is no more petition system. (Judging from all the ppl competing how long ago they posted theirs) But: Life ( = EVE) goes on, and from what I hear, its not like its better on the other sandboxes out there. For the "go away already" -guys here, get a grip. Seems its a new player that is unfamilliar with how online games work, and venting makes you feel better about it
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.08.21 08:16:00 - [89] Well I would not quit EVE because of the issues they have had, that is things that have affected my gameplay very little. However I where considering quitting the game bacause of the issues of macrominers and the lack of dealings with those. Infact I changed the paymentmethods to 1 months at a time instead of 6 months because that way I could quit any time. The issue of macrominers did affect my gameplay very much as I used to like being a miner and a producer... and ofcourse a missionrunner. Anyway for now I will continue and have been playing for 2 years and 5 months now ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.21 08:25:00 - [90] Edited by: Peter Stuyvesant on 21/08/2006 08:27:11 Edited by: Peter Stuyvesant on 21/08/2006 08:26:45 This is one of the most retarded threads ever. Made me laugh a bit, but also makes me sad. Seriously, if you get this upset about a little instability of an online game, I seriously wonder how you're going to cope in the future with some of the terrribly cruel twists that life takes. Anyway, I think this was my favourite: Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Reading this thread, i decided that i have been wasting my live. I should really be coding bugged messes of MMORPGs. People seem to actually enjoy getting kicked in the face. I really start to understand why WoW is such a success now. People on drugs lose all self-respect. I just cannot believe that in a thread were a dev had the courage to apologize for unacceptable level of service, there is still so much slime. Thanks for letting me know that world domination is still possible - there are more then enough people willing to sell their soul and their dignity ;) Ok, let me get this straight. Because we dont get our knickers in a twist, cry and spam the forum every time there's a server outage, we're 'slime', on drugs, with no soul or dignity? Riiiight.... Edit: ano no of course I'm not ******* leaving. Don't judge others by your own standards. Edit 2: typo

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