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Alexander Kiernov
Minmatar
The Movement
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Posted - 2006.08.23 11:29:00 -
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Hmmm... Seems like there's a problem posting with the right character atm, the poster above is actually me.
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HippoKing
Caldari
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.23 11:54:00 -
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I just can't see a group that lost a falcon when attacking a 6 stabbed megathron 5v1 (3 BSs, 1 recon, 1 HAC) having any right to laugh at the setup involved.
If I tooled my falcon with 4 strength 2 scrams, a web and only 2 racial ECMs (or maybe TDs), with that gang support
ing me, it would take god knows how many failed cycles for that megathron to get near killing me. On the other hand, that gang should remove a megathron with zero tank is seconds. Don't even ask me to point at the warp scrambler on Ginger's setup.
As for "if they have a falcon BPO", that doesn't mean jack in terms of amounts of lost ISK. They could have sold that falcon for market price, so that's what the loss is worth. A decently fitted falcon costs more to lose than an insured t2ed megathron.
Sure, Ginger deserves everything he gets, and that setup is truly disgusting, but having lost the falcon to kill it, I'm sorry to say the attackers lose any gloating rights over it.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:05:00 -
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Kinda of agreeed as to the Op Hippo, It was a gank.. nothing more. And they took losses.
But considering Ginger likes to believe he's Eve's best PvP'er... (I'm sorry but 6 stabbed Bs's dont go down well in my book) I find it kinda funny 
That being said he IS Eve's most notorious pirate without a dought, Got to give him credit for that.
Alliaanna
I personally would like to see a 1 V 1...
Daniel Jackson V Ginger Magician   With Wubba recording fraps 
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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HippoKing
Caldari
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:16:00 -
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I think I need to meet this wubbaa guy. Everyone seems to talk about him, but I've never actually been able to laugh at him personally in the same way I have with DJ and Ginger.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:19:00 -
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 Originally by: HippoKing
I think I need to meet this wubbaa guy. Everyone seems to talk about him, but I've never actually been able to laugh at him personally in the same way I have with DJ and Ginger.
Well DJ is clearly insane,
so you'd think he was crap at PvP right... you know how it is. Halfway through a fight an insane guy decides.. "He doesn't need weapons, I'm going to use my jedi powers to make that ship explode" (or is that just me ? )
Well.... He beat Wubbaa 
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Apollo Balthar
Minmatar
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Actually I lost this ship deliberately in order to destroy the falcon which decloaked on top of me and which I knew was there.This ship is the capsule u see on the killmail and it lost a lot of mods as well as the covert ops device which is around a 160mill loss for those involved so I hope it was worht it for u.
And I was not scrambled but I was not in alignment becuse i stayed to kill the falcon and then could not warp in time due to being webbed.
The reason I fit so many wcs should be obvious from the killmail.To be honest these antipirates are even worse than pirates themselves hanging in system for hours at a time cloaked using many noob corp alts and other exploits and only ever willing to acutally leave jump range of the gate when 10-1 odds in their favour.
And then they moan on forums that their targets fit some stabs.It really is pathetic.
Still hurry back and bring some more 160mill ships for me to pop.
Lol I cant believe I actually commended a few of your posts recently.
So you stayed in a situation to get a kill of a ship knowing full well that you would be unable to collect the loot, Theres 100% risk for 0% possible reward. And i'm sorry but your story doesn't wash anyway and i'm guessing as are many others that its just a pathetic excuse to justify your death.
ffs just take it like a man and accept you got jumped, No one would laugh at you for dieing to all those ships on the killmail ! They will laugh at you for....
#Using 6 bloody stabs on a battleship.
#Making up bull**** as to why you died.
#Being arrogant
This is how i'd guesse the story really went...
Recon uncloaks on top of Ginger, Ginger decides to try and kill it thinking he's safe with his lows filled with stabs. Ginger then finds his dmg output is bloody ridiculous due to his setup and the rest of gang has time to land on him.
Ginger is dead...
Sound about right ? 
Alliaanna
Yeh, I find this version much easier on my common sense muscle
This post represent my own, my Corporation's, my mother's and my father's, my mates' and the royal families'point of view.
Now shut up and be happy!
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:31:00 -
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Why a number of you are slamming Ginger, I will never understand. Most of you can't fight so you must gank. If WCS's are gone, what new excuse will you have to blame you're poor skills on when having to gank 24-7? There is a reason people fit WCS's on battleships. Mainly, it's to stop a number of popular corps/alliances/factions from ganking them in 2 seconds. If you want to nerf WCS's then that's cool, maybe I would get more kills from the people who slam me for wearing WCS's (V, KOS, and ETC).
Until then, the only thing maybe helping kill pvp in EVE is the number of new pilots who can't fight that will never fight you solo that fly always in a squad, gang, and fleet. On top of that, they wont fight unless they out number you all together.
I support WCS's. So I guess I support Ginger. I still kill any of you solo :)
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Why a number of you are slamming Ginger, I will never understand. Most of you can't fight so you must gank. If WCS's are gone, what new excuse will you have to blame you're poor skills on when having to gank 24-7? There is a reason people fit WCS's on battleships. Mainly, it's to stop a number of popular corps/alliances/factions from ganking them in 2 seconds. If you want to nerf WCS's then that's cool, maybe I would get more kills from the people who slam me for wearing WCS's (V, KOS, and ETC).
Until then, the only thing maybe helping kill pvp in EVE is the number of new pilots who can't fight that will never fight you solo that fly always in a squad, gang, and fleet. On top of that, they wont fight unless they out number you all together.
I support WCS's. So I guess I support Ginger. I still kill any of you solo :)
Your logic is flawed. Ginger is the ganker who wont fight, people know he packs stabs, hence the blob to hold him.
As the for the rest of your post, what bull****.
Especially the last bit, I know dozens of people that have an at least even shot of beating you solo.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Why a number of you are slamming Ginger, I will never understand. Most of you can't fight so you must gank. If WCS's are gone, what new excuse will you have to blame you're poor skills on when having to gank 24-7? There is a reason people fit WCS's on battleships. Mainly, it's to stop a number of popular corps/alliances/factions from ganking them in 2 seconds. If you want to nerf WCS's then that's cool, maybe I would get more kills from the people who slam me for wearing WCS's (V, KOS, and ETC).
Until then, the only thing maybe helping kill pvp in EVE is the number of new pilots who can't fight that will never fight you solo that fly always in a squad, gang, and fleet. On top of that, they wont fight unless they out number you all together.
I support WCS's. So I guess I support Ginger. I still kill any of you solo :)
Your logic is flawed. Ginger is the ganker who wont fight, people know he packs stabs, hence the blob to hold him.
As the for the rest of your post, what bull****.
Especially the last bit, I know dozens of people that have an at least even shot of beating you solo.
I'm not immortal, obviously you got I was immortal out of my post. Yes, I have been beaten solo, but yeah I AM solo. My logic however is not flawed, it's just above your level.
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Lienzo
Minmatar
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.23 15:32:00 -
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Scramblers are old school.
It's all webbers and bubbles now.
Republic Fleet phases out obsolete Vigils.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.23 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
My logic however is not flawed, it's just above your level.
Presumptuous slave
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.23 16:26:00 -
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I somehow managed to jump my domi through ec-p8r the other day, there was a 15 or so man gate camp, and I was packing 7 stabs. They're indispensible for travel setups, but *** as anything when you're fighting a vagabond with 3 of them.
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Gabriel Sword
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Posted - 2006.08.24 08:42:00 -
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Your all missing the point.
Ginger had 6 stabs on sat out at 240k ish
1 The noobs had no chance of shooting back or defending against this so called PvPer.
2 He had 6 stabs fitted. This is stupid can any PvPer tell me they would fit 6 stabs. And I said PVPer not alt noob you know who you are!!!.
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Zibun Ionic
Minmatar
Cloaca Maxima
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:14:00 -
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I laugh at whole thread.
Why in seven hells someones wants WCS's to be nerfed or removed? People can fit them as many as they want, it is all off from ships combat capability.
Fit more scrammers you idiots.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Raven DeBlade
Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 21/08/2006 21:35:44
Here is the reason why Warp Core Stabs need to be nerfed, its just pathetic, you should be ashamed Ginger. i mean... not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5... but 6 (SIX) Warp Core Stabs fitted... Maybe get a Geddon, they have 8 low slots for all your WCS needs...
*snip* Please donŠt link to killboards - Cortes
So your reason for nerfing stabs is that everyone who has more stab points than you have scram points - eventhough they entirely bork their setup - is somehow not playing fair? Pleeeease.
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Actually I lost this ship deliberately in order to destroy the falcon which decloaked on top of me and which I knew was there.This ship is the capsule u see on the killmail and it lost a lot of mods as well as the covert ops device which is around a 160mill loss for those involved so I hope it was worht it for u.
And I was not scrambled but I was not in alignment becuse i stayed to kill the falcon and then could not warp in time due to being webbed.
The reason I fit so many wcs should be obvious from the killmail.To be honest these antipirates are even worse than pirates themselves hanging in system for hours at a time cloaked using many noob corp alts and other exploits and only ever willing to acutally leave jump range of the gate when 10-1 odds in their favour.
And then they moan on forums that their targets fit some stabs.It really is pathetic.
Still hurry back and bring some more 160mill ships for me to pop.
Actually I agree with Ginger here, Anti-pirates are usually the lamest of the lame. Even Ginger in his stabbed-up sniperthron doesn't outlame them. Sure he used WCS, but he didn't warp and he managed a nice consolation kill in the process - good for him.
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Celeste Storm
Gallente
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.08.24 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Storm on 24/08/2006 14:19:58
Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Actually I lost this ship deliberately in order to destroy the falcon which decloaked on top of me and which I knew was there.This ship is the capsule u see on the killmail and it lost a lot of mods as well as the covert ops device which is around a 160mill loss for those involved so I hope it was worht it for u.
And I was not scrambled but I was not in alignment becuse i stayed to kill the falcon and then could not warp in time due to being webbed.
The reason I fit so many wcs should be obvious from the killmail.To be honest these antipirates are even worse than pirates themselves hanging in system for hours at a time cloaked using many noob corp alts and other exploits and only ever willing to acutally leave jump range of the gate when 10-1 odds in their favour.
And then they moan on forums that their targets fit some stabs.It really is pathetic.
Still hurry back and bring some more 160mill ships for me to pop.
Actually I agree with Ginger here, Anti-pirates are usually the lamest of the lame. Even Ginger in his stabbed-up sniperthron doesn't outlame them. Sure he used WCS, but he didn't warp and he managed a nice consolation kill in the process - good for him.
I hate to agree, but thats true. Damn Ginger might be an nubkiller and gate lamer but he didnt warped out and took a recon with him. I find it rather rediciolous when people start saying: "Its no loss... blabla... we got a bpo... bla...". The truth is, ur whole gank squad was not able to finish him off before he took out one of ur most expensive ships.
In this special case my sympathy goes to Ginger.
Cel.
whiners make m3 s!ck | Do you like farmers?
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Ryle
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Change the WCS so that if you engage they don't function for 30-60 seconds after aggression finishes (like docking/gate jumping).
This stops people shooting then running like a girl when they realise they're beat, but also means that people who are simply travelling about and aren't interested in fighting do not get hampered. Hopefully this'd change the focus on WCS to travel only setups.
This is the only post in this thread worth reading.
WCS on combat ships are for the cowardly or people without confidance in their own setups. WCS on travel ships are fine.
You should not be able to have a viable combat setup fitting any more than 1 WCS. Perhaps impose a stacking CPU penalty when using more than one? 2nd one uses 2x the CPU, third uses 4x, etc. This would place a solid limit on their use, and make combat ships unable to fit more than 1 without severely damaging their damage and tanking abilities.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dixon
Actually I agree with Ginger here, Anti-pirates are usually the lamest of the lame. Even Ginger in his stabbed-up sniperthron doesn't outlame them. Sure he used WCS, but he didn't warp and he managed a nice consolation kill in the process - good for him.
He didnt warp because he was scrambled (duh!)
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.08.24 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ryle
Originally by: Yarek Balear
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Change the WCS so that if you engage they don't function for 30-60 seconds after aggression finishes (like docking/gate jumping).
This stops people shooting then running like a girl when they realise they're beat, but also means that people who are simply travelling about and aren't interested in fighting do not get hampered. Hopefully this'd change the focus on WCS to travel only setups.
This is the only post in this thread worth reading.
WCS on combat ships are for the cowardly or people without confidance in their own setups. WCS on travel ships are fine.
I don't know, I tend to think people who don't fly solo are more of a coward than someone solo with 2xWCS's. Eve is about massive fleet combat, faction control, and all that good stuff. No love for the solo pilot. Then again, majority of the pilots in eve just hug gates/stations and use insta bookmarks. Then have the nerve to call a WCS user a coward when they're lone and yet you are on a gate holding hands with 4 other pilots who are just like you :)
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.24 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Dixon
Actually I agree with Ginger here, Anti-pirates are usually the lamest of the lame. Even Ginger in his stabbed-up sniperthron doesn't outlame them. Sure he used WCS, but he didn't warp and he managed a nice consolation kill in the process - good for him.
He didnt warp because he was scrambled (duh!)
Actually neither of us know if he actually was 'scrambled enough'.
But the fact that 'anti-pirates' ganked him and he still managed to take that falcon out isn't something for the gank-side to be proud of. Even if they justify their ganking with 'omg he's like worse and stuff'.
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xenodia
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.24 18:04:00 -
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I dont mind the concept of WCS, and as long as warp scramblers work the way they do you HAVE to have some form of counter, but there really should be a limit to how many you can fit, and it should be something other than the number of low slots you have.
Maybe a stacking penalty that makes them useless after 3 or 4. Youd still have a lot of people with 4 stab setups, but at least you can kill those with a reasonable amount of tackling.
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dixon
But the fact that 'anti-pirates' ganked him and he still managed to take that falcon out isn't something for the gank-side to be proud of. Even if they justify their ganking with 'omg he's like worse and stuff'.
non the less, falcon was ganked with *drumroooool* rails at close range!
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Raith Seinar
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Posted - 2006.08.24 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Raith Seinar on 24/08/2006 19:47:26
Originally by: xenodia
I dont mind the concept of WCS, and as long as warp scramblers work the way they do you HAVE to have some form of counter, but there really should be a limit to how many you can fit, and it should be something other than the number of low slots you have.
Maybe a stacking penalty that makes them useless after 3 or 4. Youd still have a lot of people with 4 stab setups, but at least you can kill those with a reasonable amount of tackling.
{edit} ffs, the forums are acting up again. Basically my long post I just lost was along the lines of "fair enough, but instead of nerfing let's make a note of that setup and next time come back with a better setup of our own." {/edit}
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Raven DeBlade
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.08.24 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne
Originally by: Dixon
But the fact that 'anti-pirates' ganked him and he still managed to take that falcon out isn't something for the gank-side to be proud of. Even if they justify their ganking with 'omg he's like worse and stuff'.
non the less, falcon was ganked with *drumroooool* rails at close range!
No, he had a friend in a Armageddon there also.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
WCS should be removed. If you don't want to risk dieing then it's simple, don't go into low sec.
Oh yes of course, EVE is a PVP game only. That's why all those other kinds of ships and modules and trading goods are in the game. All fun and giggles, just some passtime from the devs.
Ever thought about the fact some people don't want to PvP, but do want to play the game and see the whole place they're actually paying for ? I don't want to think how boring EVE would be if everyone would just zoom around low sec, killing off eachother, just because some people don't like mining/trading/building/just exploring EVE for the fun of it.
I can't even go take a look what it's like in 0.0, because I'll just get killed before I even get there. And I'm not willing to spend all that skill training, just to go take a look. Not atm, and not in the near future either
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Adoro
Reunited
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Posted - 2006.08.24 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Adoro on 24/08/2006 23:10:47
Rofl, reading his bio right now...pathetic guy...arrogant ****. People like that really annoy me. Best pvper Ginger? 1on1?
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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.08.25 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zwap Latte
Originally by: Murukan
WCS should be removed. If you don't want to risk dieing then it's simple, don't go into low sec.
Oh yes of course, EVE is a PVP game only. That's why all those other kinds of ships and modules and trading goods are in the game. All fun and giggles, just some passtime from the devs.
Ever thought about the fact some people don't want to PvP, but do want to play the game and see the whole place they're actually paying for ? I don't want to think how boring EVE would be if everyone would just zoom around low sec, killing off eachother, just because some people don't like mining/trading/building/just exploring EVE for the fun of it.
I can't even go take a look what it's like in 0.0, because I'll just get killed before I even get there. And I'm not willing to spend all that skill training, just to go take a look. Not atm, and not in the near future either
If you go 0.4 to 0.0 you are either looking for a fight or looking to evade a fight. If I'm in the mood to just go exploring in 0.0 I put a mwd in a t1 frig. Doesn't take much in the way of skills. Then again in one 0.4 system everyone docks and logs when I turn up, even if I'm in a hauler
I interpret all the whining about Ginger are people wanting him to improve his sniper set up. Fair enough. The so called anti pies are just whining because they have to fill their mid slots with enough scrams to lock him down and he makes it difficult for them to take him out. Ya whatever who cares about his setup.
Gate snipers are good at making people angry so it seems he's done his job.
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Core
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.25 01:22:00 -
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WCs need nerf badly
Im so sick of these noobs who think they are elite by sitting out 190km in low sec with 7 stabs on a macherial and you virtually have no chance of killing them.
on top of that dictors + mobile bubbles dont work in low sec...
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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.08.25 03:31:00 -
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I agree that wcs need to be changed. If wcs worked like jamming (but still as a passive unit). You put 2 points of scram on someone with 6 wcs you still have a chance of scramming rather than 0. Though only 2 points of scram should have a low probably of succeeding. Whereas 6 points of scram vs. 6 x wcs should have say 40-50% chance of working.
Thought if this happend then 2 points of scram vs. 1 x wcs should still have a chance of failing to scramble albeit a low probability. I'm tired of using 2-3 20 km disruptors and having no chance against an elite hauler.
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