It does matter as the rupture out damages your rax outside of antimatter on your fit and is firing into your ships resist hole. It has also been shooting at you from further out so it has done damage before you have started to damage it back.

Your rax's engagement envelope is less than 10km with null on paper, optimal is reduced by 40%. The rupture is going to overpower you if it is flown well.

New fits and tactics? Lol. We push the meta just like small gang and fleets. I make plenty of unique fits and have success at brawling frigs with artillery or large acs under 10km. Unlike you i dont have 10k F1 warriors to force into my fits and then imply im some kind of EVE god. You are so cool.

Yep, ignoring the solo pvp aspect still. Most of those hurricanes you quoted were in gangs or gate camps. Which are not relavent scenarios for discussing ac application at falloff, as per OP.

If they are so bad why are they the most popular weapon on nearly every matari turret ship?

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Raxes are normally fit with rails and will easilly out run ruppies, and keep pace with stabbers. and will out damage both with long range weapons vs close range weapons.

the ruppy can barely fit arty, and is slow with no tackle. and the NONE of the stabber hulls can fit arty, while rax, ENIs and Diemost can 5 rails with ease, and can keep pace with matari quick close range counterparts. plus pulse lasers are essentially snipers anyway.

just about all matari ships are quick glass cannons which got completely ****** by so many nerfs it is not even funny.

- PG cant fit arty or nuets......lol utility highs
- agility, cant kite or drop angular
- they already had a lot of drawbacks
-- ****** tank
-- less guns
-- bad fitting

Because what other f******* choice to Mini pilots have? Arty and no tank? Or should they just disregard ship bonuses entirely? Minimitar don't have resistance bonus' or drone damage bonus', more than half of them are double gun damage bonuses. IE The Rupture, Cane, Tempest.

So if they are so bad why are they ALL on par with the other ships out there or better?

If they are so bad why are they the most popular weapon on nearly every matari turret ship?

They are not.

According the the KM data they are. About the only cruiser that is doing poorly is the Agouror.Cynables using 425mm autos scored more kills alone than every single phantasm. 220mm vulcan cynables killed twice as many ships as every single orthrus. No other pirate faction cruiser even gets close to matching the cynable and here you are asking for it to be buffed.

According the the KM data they are. About the only cruiser that is doing poorly is the Agouror.Cynables using 425mm autos scored more kills alone than every single phantasm. 220mm vulcan cynables killed twice as many ships as every single orthrus. No other pirate faction cruiser even gets close to matching the cynable and here you are asking for it to be buffed.

Are you actually comparing a logi cruiser to the cynabal ... ?

Orthrus is far better than the cynabal, his only problem is his cost.

Phantasm is not an usual ship because almost nobody give it a try, too many time spent as a **** cruiser.

Then again, most of the ppl get cynabal because of it's past, his actual price and his mobility.

Actually, you can't effectively fly a kitting cynabal, that's a fact, try by yourself if you dont trust us.

Now actually analyze the data. What % are frigate kills? What % are solo vs gang? What % is fit as brawler? What % is flown as a kiter?

Without that information, the data is worthless. You are trying to manipulate the arguement to suit your agenda without providing a clear break down of your numbers. Also havent seen any links to the numbers you're quoting. You are the one posting this info, i would expect pasteing a web address isnt too difficult?

You are aware that the Cyna has been around for much longer than many of the other Pirate cruisers right? And that the Phantasm just recently had its bonus' reworked?


Baltec1, your a troll and you've dragged my thread down into this BS. Thanks.

The cynabal is just as old as the other pirate faction ships and it is out killing the vigilant too. Giving facts in a thread asking to undo the TE nerfs for autos is not trolling.

No, Im pointing out a ship that actually is underused.

Yeah those Orthrus' have been around forever right? They are less than 6 months old. Enough.

Btw cynabal was the go to ship during many years, and was pretty expensive for many players (over 250m).

Ofc that the augoror is used, but why the **** are you talking about KB stats of a LOGI ship... It's not supposed to get on KM ...

People have been saying a/c ships are not popular and dont get used. The agouror is an example of what an underused ship looks like.

How do you rank up on killboards ?

By appearing on KILLMAILS !

How are you supposed to appear on killmail while you are LOGI ?

I hope that you are not serious while saying this kind of things...

The cynable, Vigilant, phantasm, gila and ashimmu are all old ships. Most pirate faction ships are not new, what you said was a lie.

Yeah and you used the one Pirate Cruiser as your example that has not been around. Cynabals with a falloff of 40km and not 35km are not going to break the game Baltec1. You are out of you f****** mind.

The Scythe got 5,247 kills last month, the Exequror 3,750. Logi ships do get killmails, the agouror and osprey don't because they don't see much use.

I used two examples, three with the vigilant. Even the Gila came nowhere near the cynable.
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In NS blob ppl will prefer Scythe Exeq because of rep effectivness over cap chain, is that hard to understand ?

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I've already aswered to it earlier.

What part of "it is an example of an underused ship" do you not understand?
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Yet people will continue to say blasters overshadow autos.

It was the go to ship because it was horribly overpowered. This thread is asking to undo one of the big nerfs that were needed.

People have been saying a/c ships are not popular and dont get used.

Vigilant is situational their is only few ways were it will overshadow loki as webber.

-Dread Blap
-Gate camp
-Webbing a 100mn cruiser
-Webbing cap to make them warp fast (lol)

Blaster overshadow AC brawling ship while AC do not worth it as a kitting platform, do you understand thaaaat ?

So again you're saying that many alliance are using it, but ask to your CFC pilots how they use their cynabals, do they really kite with ? or just rush people like all of the cynabals pilots that i've seen in the last month ...

Actually no. 10-15% buff is not going to undue the TE nerf buff.