After using Barrage on a Loki and a Vaga, I have to say that is seems pretty lacking. I've tried to make it work but there really doesn't seem to be any reason to use it over Hail or RF Phased Plasma. The falloff increase is too little, and the damage decrease is way too much, kinda like Hams vs Heavies (not cause but effect).
How to fix it? I don't know. I think the best thing to do would be a significant (no piddly little 2-3% changes) increase in falloff with a corresponding decrease in falloff bonuses to hulls to prevent stupidity. Then give Barrage a slight damage increase (probably on the order of 5-10%) and drop it onto SiSi. That's just off the top of my head though.

As for the arty situation, all I have to say is good luck filling your turret slots with meaningful arty and having anything left something as inconsequential as tank, prop, tackle.... I'm not saying it can't be done, not saying it isn't being done, but it reminds me of fitting some of the smaller Caldari hulls.

Overall, I think medium projectiles in particular, and possibly arty overall, could use some looking at and love. Would be great if they did the same for missiles too, but that's just me wishing... I would like to see some of the, perceived, power creep in Gallente hulls reined back a bit while they bring the other weapons and races into Rhea. They made a big deal about Eve being in it's second decade, but some of the weapons still feel like first decade crud, I'm looking at you HML's and AC ammo.

As always, this is off the top of my head and is solely my opinion as of the last 5 minutes.

The strength of TEs has been one of the reasons for Minmatar dominance in recent years, as well as contributing to the relative strength of shield tanking over armor tanking by inflating the value of non-tank low slots.

Eleven pages and I still can't get any love from the devs... Thanks for the bumps guys.

just a thought, make them RLMLs of the turret world,

buff the absolute **** out of their DPS and falloff or tracking at the cost of a 30-40 second reload on a shallow mag.

ammunition selection has to be thought out in advance, if you fail to apply your damage before reload you're likely to die in a hilarious fire.

The only limiting factor to projectile being able to shoot is ammunition, it think that should play more of a balancing role instead of making them unfittable like arty or flat out **** like ACs

I don't know, I think this would give minmatar the hit and run skirmish aesthetic that is drowned out by ASB monster tanks ATM.

Give projectiles the 5 sec ammo change time (10 seconds is not just slow compared to blasters, but it's too long for current PVP meta, all ships are faster now), increase falloff slightly and improve the damage profiles of projectile ammo, make them more focused on one damage type, and get completely rid of the ones with 3 damage types. Meanwhile cut some range from Null.

Also, nerf links.

Give projectiles the 5 sec ammo change time (10 seconds is not just slow compared to blasters, but it's too long for current PVP meta, all ships are faster now)

seriously , we just need a bit more dps , more falloff (45-50km falloff with barage on vagabond will be correct and not op and will fill with his bonuses and on what he's intented to do) and maybe a bit of tracking

no need to re-transform all the projectile into a semi-hydrid whatever things

it's all we need

Ummm, you're going a bit overboard there. A 20-30% falloff increase tied in with a damage increase and a possible tracking increase would be completely broken. Right back to the Winmatar meta. Consider that most people in this thread are noting that a 10-15% falloff increase would likely be sufficient. Even a bottom end (by your post) increase of 20% falloff would be more than sufficient for the next patch, and would likely go a very long way (pretty much entirely) toward balancing medium ACs.

Yea im only talkin 10-15%. Anymore than that and you start getting into silly ranges with autocannons with barrage. There isnt anything acs need, other than falloff adjustments.

giving 10-15% give just 2km+ falloff in barrage in vaga/cyna , it's really nothing ... and we will still got anemic dps with that falloff range...

Bump!

And since we're on a matari issue:

- why amarr, caldari and gallente have a AF to both their weapons systems but minmatar is nailed on projective weapons in both? A missile based minmatar AF is missing.
- and adjust the artillary powergrid requirements, pls.

Works for me. Can we get that at the same time we get a Tier 3 BC that can use large missiles?

Meh

I think ABCs should just be guns.

right now a scam = death for a ABC missiles would break that.

and god knows no one wants a drone ABC in the game right now

Meh

I think ABCs should just be guns.

right now a scam = death for a ABC missiles would break that.

and god knows no one wants a drone ABC in the game right now

My bait nado laughs at your scram, and explodes frigs all the time at scram range.

Not to mention, if they are BS sized missiles, they will be doing jack **** to a frigate unless you have lots of painters/webs. I wouldn't be opposed to a drone ABC, as long as it had a big weakness. It could be interesting to add a few ABC variants

Minmatar: missiles
Caldari: missiles
Gal: drones
Amarr: Neuts/drones?

Suppose thats for a different thread though, more a/c fall-off plz?

Autos when compared to blastes already get more range, bigger clip sizes, selectable damage types, no cap use and better tracking in their engagement range