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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
11897
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:01:20 -
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Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here.
In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves.
As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency.
Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes.
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Theon Severasse
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:06:33 -
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While I can't in anyway claim to know whether this is a change that will have a significant impact, it's nice to see that a change has been made as a result of a completely player driven campaign. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises
Intrepid Crossing
297
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:08:22 -
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Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
1357
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:11:28 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Keep in mind that the :
1- The price of T3 never ceased to decrease for a while.
2- Lower end wormholes certainly don't make billions per person per hour.
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Theon Severasse
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:17:31 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Maybe in a C5 or C6, doing cap escalations, definitely wouldn't get that much in a C1 or C2. |
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Reckoning Star Alliance
183
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:19:25 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
By my calculations, C1 sites would be hitting at about 60M/hr for an average solo player running a site every 10 minutes in a system with a good number of sites to run. That's up from probably about 18-20M/hr now. And that's before any random ribbon drops which would add a bit to that total. |
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
Wormhole Clown Car
33
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:23:08 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Yes you can. Way more than those stupid DED sites so come on in and give them a shot! |
Random Interrupt
The Desolate Order
Brave Collective
13
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:26:56 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Oh how I wish that were true. |
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
220
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:40:58 -
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Given the number of abandoned POS's my former corp mates are reporting in lower holes, I am betting this is to try to entice people to return to lower holes after the WH changes a little while back. Especially when you combine this with the addition of Nullsec quality data/relic sites. But with out hard data that is just a guess. But it does seem to be a lot of carrot out of the blue so to speak. |
Arcturus Gallow
Three Stars Association
10
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:49:49 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
I see people thinking this everywhere and I think this is crazy. I live in C5 and cap escalations are hard to do, require heavy investment (at least 2 carriers, 2 dreadnought and 1 rapier/loki. If you want to generate income for everybody in the group, you have to let more people in. We make ~100m isk/hr/player, and cannot do this for more than 3 hours more than 4 times a week. Thats 1B2/player/week. Assuming we have the sites, we dont get dropped, and we spend 4evening just PVEing which does not happen.
Isk in C6 I dont know about it, just that its even harder and riskier. And not *that* much more.
Isk in C5+ is good, but it is far from crazy and certainly not in the billion per hour mark, except maybe for a handful of crazy multiboxer with insane starting capital and skillpoints. And even they lose a lot sometimes, look at the guy multiboclxing 2 carriers 2 dreads and 8 napocs who lost it all recently. Yes he was probably pulling 15bil per week out of his setup, but he lost a month of farming with one gank. And now he is on watchlist for a lot of dudes :)
And anyway this change will maybe buff highclas income by 5% |
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BerSerKer 13
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:53:07 -
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so will CONCORD relase the findings of the empires to us? or will capsuleers still have to make there own  |
Ridvanson
12
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:20:16 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
You have been lied to, I'm afraid |
Aladar Dangerface
Transcendent Sedition
Protean Concept
17
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:24:23 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Billions can be made daily however, if you are refering to high end (C5-C6) escalations then, this is done by a running in groups of usually 4-7 ppl, which when u split it does not make billions per day per person.
These sitee also need to be run with capital ships so you are risking alot also.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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Ridvanson
12
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:28:20 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Billions can be made daily however, if you are refering to high end (C5-C6) escalations then, this is done by a running in groups of usually 4-7 ppl, which when u split it does not make billions per day per person. These sitee also need to be run with capital ships so you are risking alot also.
That being said, If I'd put my group of escalation pilots into afk-tars and ran Nullsec anomalies for a couple hours, I'd make billions too |
corbexx
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
817
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:38:18 -
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This will mostly affect the lower class wh's sadly when I did all my pve testing I just recorded total blue book income per site not a break down.
I do have some pics of earlier tests with total loot and it goes for a C1 from 33m blue books 80m salvage to 96m blue books 80m salvage. so for C1 and C2 its a pretty huge
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
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Alundil
Isogen 5
738
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Posted - 2014.10.29 17:48:00 -
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This is great news for the lower class wormhole systems.
As to the "billion/pilot/per"..............
lol - Someone has been believing the tall tales told.
Only the true farmers will ever come close to this figure. In realistic sized escalation groups (4-6 pilots) the ISK is good but no where near THAT good. Only time this math begins to look accurate is if it's a multiboxing person or two and the calc is billion isk/person (regardless of alts)/hour. But that's not accurate and doesn't sound as exaggerated (and therefore not shouted from the rooftops every time someone talks about wh income).
I'm right behind you
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
133
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:21:47 -
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Do sleepless guardians drop Sleeper Data Libraries?
corbexx wrote:This will mostly affect the lower class wh's sadly when I did all my pve testing I just recorded total blue book income per site not a break down.
I am starting to think all those changes to WH PvE are just to mess with your little numbersproject. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1325
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:36:36 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here. In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves.
As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency.Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes.
Thank you, that really looks promising.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Wroxton Vee
EVE University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:38:33 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Wait, someone said "low risk" and "wormholes" in the same sentence... 
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Ridvanson
12
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:45:41 -
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That's what they teach the kids nowadays around k-space |
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Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
352
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:58:25 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Given the number of abandoned POS's my former corp mates are reporting in lower holes, I am betting this is to try to entice people to return to lower holes after the WH changes a little while back. Especially when you combine this with the addition of Nullsec quality data/relic sites. But with out hard data that is just a guess. But it does seem to be a lot of carrot out of the blue so to speak.
C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive... |
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
220
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:13:04 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:
C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive...
That's not an unattractive concept if the holes worked like I used to remember them and would be something for me to consider taking a stab at. But I hear with the introduction of the frig holes the number of entrances you have to try and watch makes the risk vs reward a bit skewed. *shrugs* |
Jovrix
Lazerhawks
2
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:23:08 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
low risk?
few things, Null is dangerous, right?
well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system.
add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time.
not exactly low risk. |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
799
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:26:45 -
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Ridvanson wrote:That's what they teach the kids nowadays around k-space
Wormholes are an isk fountain with little to no risk involved, please come and visit us at your leisure!
I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY
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The Anthology
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Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
352
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:27:51 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Catherine Laartii wrote:
C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive...
That's not an unattractive concept if the holes worked like I used to remember them and would be something for me to consider taking a stab at. But I hear with the introduction of the frig holes the number of entrances you have to try and watch makes the risk vs reward a bit skewed. *shrugs*
The trick is to find one with a null static. You can run combat and relic/hacking sites to supplement your w-space income, which gets cut sharply from others coming into your hole and blitzing sites anyway. So having a t3 or two on hand to run DED sites is a very profitable route to go as long as you're basing out of the c1. As long as you have a scan alt (even on the same account) on standby and refrain from unnecessary fights and lie low, you'll generally be left alone most of the time to make a tidy profit and kick back in your own personal slice of space. :) |
Aladar Dangerface
Transcendent Sedition
Protean Concept
17
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Posted - 2014.10.29 21:34:46 -
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Being lazy here but can someone me a before and after isk per hour rate for c1 to c3 please?
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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BKM Industries
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
32
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:54:46 -
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Jovrix wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. low risk? few things, Null is dangerous, right? well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system. add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time. not exactly low risk.
If you think null is dangerous you do not know how to play the game well. In null you have intel channels and know neuts are bad. In high sec you never know who will gank you and who wont and you do not have intel channels. Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad). Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises
Intrepid Crossing
297
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:42:04 -
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Wow. So many people are mad at me because I did not know how wormhole income works exactly.
And yes, I do view wormholes as safer locations because you can somewhat control the hostiles. in known space, we have to worry about anyone in the next system over and within 5-8 lightyears and we cannot control their points of entry.
But now that I think about the Item loots from sleepers, it is fair enough for NPC buy orders. Ratting gives us directly money, but sleepers have no bounties, right? |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
284
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:43:30 -
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BKM Industries wrote:Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad). Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something.
Are you drunk, or just stupid? |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons
Brothers of Tangra
1206
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:52:29 -
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BKM Industries wrote:Jovrix wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour.
Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders.
Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. low risk? few things, Null is dangerous, right? well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system. add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time. not exactly low risk. .... Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad).....
Null is not dangerous. Maybe once null fragments enough, it will become more dangerous, but as it currently stands, it is very safe, safer than highsec for some activities, especially if you arent on the edge of your alliances sov.
Wormholes safer than highsec as well as null? From having your research pos bashed, maybe. For any sort of pve activity you have got to be kidding me.
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