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CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11897	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:01:20 - [1] - Quote Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here. In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves. As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency. Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Theon Severasse Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 77	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:06:33 - [2] - Quote While I can't in anyway claim to know whether this is a change that will have a significant impact, it's nice to see that a change has been made as a result of a completely player driven campaign.
TheMercenaryKing StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing 297	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:08:22 - [3] - Quote Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk.
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1357	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:11:28 - [4] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Keep in mind that the : 1- The price of T3 never ceased to decrease for a while. 2- Lower end wormholes certainly don't make billions per person per hour. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
Theon Severasse Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 77	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:17:31 - [5] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Maybe in a C5 or C6, doing cap escalations, definitely wouldn't get that much in a C1 or C2.
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:19:25 - [6] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. By my calculations, C1 sites would be hitting at about 60M/hr for an average solo player running a site every 10 minutes in a system with a good number of sites to run. That's up from probably about 18-20M/hr now. And that's before any random ribbon drops which would add a bit to that total.
Ghenghis Kralj Big Johnson's Wormhole Clown Car 33	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:23:08 - [7] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Yes you can. Way more than those stupid DED sites so come on in and give them a shot!
Random Interrupt The Desolate Order Brave Collective 13	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:26:56 - [8] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Oh how I wish that were true.
Krell Kroenen The Devil's Shadow 220	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:40:58 - [9] - Quote Given the number of abandoned POS's my former corp mates are reporting in lower holes, I am betting this is to try to entice people to return to lower holes after the WH changes a little while back. Especially when you combine this with the addition of Nullsec quality data/relic sites. But with out hard data that is just a guess. But it does seem to be a lot of carrot out of the blue so to speak.
Arcturus Gallow Three Stars Association 10	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:49:49 - [10] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. I see people thinking this everywhere and I think this is crazy. I live in C5 and cap escalations are hard to do, require heavy investment (at least 2 carriers, 2 dreadnought and 1 rapier/loki. If you want to generate income for everybody in the group, you have to let more people in. We make ~100m isk/hr/player, and cannot do this for more than 3 hours more than 4 times a week. Thats 1B2/player/week. Assuming we have the sites, we dont get dropped, and we spend 4evening just PVEing which does not happen. Isk in C6 I dont know about it, just that its even harder and riskier. And not that much more. Isk in C5+ is good, but it is far from crazy and certainly not in the billion per hour mark, except maybe for a handful of crazy multiboxer with insane starting capital and skillpoints. And even they lose a lot sometimes, look at the guy multiboclxing 2 carriers 2 dreads and 8 napocs who lost it all recently. Yes he was probably pulling 15bil per week out of his setup, but he lost a month of farming with one gank. And now he is on watchlist for a lot of dudes :) And anyway this change will maybe buff highclas income by 5%
BerSerKer 13 Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore 10	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:53:07 - [11] - Quote so will CONCORD relase the findings of the empires to us? or will capsuleers still have to make there own
Ridvanson 12	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:20:16 - [12] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. You have been lied to, I'm afraid
Aladar Dangerface Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept 17	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:24:23 - [13] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Billions can be made daily however, if you are refering to high end (C5-C6) escalations then, this is done by a running in groups of usually 4-7 ppl, which when u split it does not make billions per day per person. These sitee also need to be run with capital ships so you are risking alot also. There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Ridvanson 12	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:28:20 - [14] - Quote Aladar Dangerface wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Billions can be made daily however, if you are refering to high end (C5-C6) escalations then, this is done by a running in groups of usually 4-7 ppl, which when u split it does not make billions per day per person. These sitee also need to be run with capital ships so you are risking alot also. That being said, If I'd put my group of escalation pilots into afk-tars and ran Nullsec anomalies for a couple hours, I'd make billions too
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 817	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:38:18 - [15] - Quote This will mostly affect the lower class wh's sadly when I did all my pve testing I just recorded total blue book income per site not a break down. I do have some pics of earlier tests with total loot and it goes for a C1 from 33m blue books 80m salvage to 96m blue books 80m salvage. so for C1 and C2 its a pretty huge Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
Alundil Isogen 5 738	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:48:00 - [16] - Quote This is great news for the lower class wormhole systems. As to the "billion/pilot/per".............. lol - Someone has been believing the tall tales told. Only the true farmers will ever come close to this figure. In realistic sized escalation groups (4-6 pilots) the ISK is good but no where near THAT good. Only time this math begins to look accurate is if it's a multiboxing person or two and the calc is billion isk/person (regardless of alts)/hour. But that's not accurate and doesn't sound as exaggerated (and therefore not shouted from the rooftops every time someone talks about wh income). I'm right behind you
Shilalasar Dead Sky Inc. 133	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:21:47 - [17] - Quote Do sleepless guardians drop Sleeper Data Libraries? corbexx wrote: This will mostly affect the lower class wh's sadly when I did all my pve testing I just recorded total blue book income per site not a break down. I am starting to think all those changes to WH PvE are just to mess with your little numbersproject.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1325	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:36:36 - [18] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here. In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves. As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency. Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes. Thank you, that really looks promising. [u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
Wroxton Vee EVE University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:38:33 - [19] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Wait, someone said "low risk" and "wormholes" in the same sentence...
Ridvanson 12	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:45:41 - [20] - Quote Wroxton Vee wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Wait, someone said "low risk" and "wormholes" in the same sentence... That's what they teach the kids nowadays around k-space
Catherine Laartii Providence Guard Templis CALSF 352	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:58:25 - [21] - Quote Krell Kroenen wrote: Given the number of abandoned POS's my former corp mates are reporting in lower holes, I am betting this is to try to entice people to return to lower holes after the WH changes a little while back. Especially when you combine this with the addition of Nullsec quality data/relic sites. But with out hard data that is just a guess. But it does seem to be a lot of carrot out of the blue so to speak. C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive...
Krell Kroenen The Devil's Shadow 220	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:13:04 - [22] - Quote Catherine Laartii wrote: C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive... That's not an unattractive concept if the holes worked like I used to remember them and would be something for me to consider taking a stab at. But I hear with the introduction of the frig holes the number of entrances you have to try and watch makes the risk vs reward a bit skewed. shrugs
Jovrix Lazerhawks 2	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:23:08 - [23] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. low risk? few things, Null is dangerous, right? well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system. add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time. not exactly low risk.
Asayanami Dei Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 799	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:26:45 - [24] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: Wroxton Vee wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Wait, someone said "low risk" and "wormholes" in the same sentence... That's what they teach the kids nowadays around k-space Wormholes are an isk fountain with little to no risk involved, please come and visit us at your leisure! I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY Youtube: /asayanami Twitter: @asayanami The Anthology
Catherine Laartii Providence Guard Templis CALSF 352	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:27:51 - [25] - Quote Krell Kroenen wrote: Catherine Laartii wrote: C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive... That's not an unattractive concept if the holes worked like I used to remember them and would be something for me to consider taking a stab at. But I hear with the introduction of the frig holes the number of entrances you have to try and watch makes the risk vs reward a bit skewed. shrugs The trick is to find one with a null static. You can run combat and relic/hacking sites to supplement your w-space income, which gets cut sharply from others coming into your hole and blitzing sites anyway. So having a t3 or two on hand to run DED sites is a very profitable route to go as long as you're basing out of the c1. As long as you have a scan alt (even on the same account) on standby and refrain from unnecessary fights and lie low, you'll generally be left alone most of the time to make a tidy profit and kick back in your own personal slice of space. :)
Aladar Dangerface Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept 17	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:34:46 - [26] - Quote Being lazy here but can someone me a before and after isk per hour rate for c1 to c3 please? There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
BKM Industries EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 32	Posted - 2014.10.29 23:54:46 - [27] - Quote Jovrix wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. low risk? few things, Null is dangerous, right? well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system. add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time. not exactly low risk. If you think null is dangerous you do not know how to play the game well. In null you have intel channels and know neuts are bad. In high sec you never know who will gank you and who wont and you do not have intel channels. Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad). Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something. `type something here to make a cool sig!!!`
TheMercenaryKing StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing 297	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:42:04 - [28] - Quote Wow. So many people are mad at me because I did not know how wormhole income works exactly. And yes, I do view wormholes as safer locations because you can somewhat control the hostiles. in known space, we have to worry about anyone in the next system over and within 5-8 lightyears and we cannot control their points of entry. But now that I think about the Item loots from sleepers, it is fair enough for NPC buy orders. Ratting gives us directly money, but sleepers have no bounties, right?
Jessica Duranin Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 284	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:43:30 - [29] - Quote BKM Industries wrote: Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad). Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something. Are you drunk, or just stupid?
Arronicus Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra 1206	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:52:29 - [30] - Quote BKM Industries wrote: Jovrix wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. low risk? few things, Null is dangerous, right? well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system. add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time. not exactly low risk. .... Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad)..... Null is not dangerous. Maybe once null fragments enough, it will become more dangerous, but as it currently stands, it is very safe, safer than highsec for some activities, especially if you arent on the edge of your alliances sov. Wormholes safer than highsec as well as null? From having your research pos bashed, maybe. For any sort of pve activity you have got to be kidding me.
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 114	Posted - 2014.10.30 06:46:41 - [31] - Quote Jessica Duranin wrote: BKM Industries wrote: Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad). Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something. Are you drunk, or just stupid? Why do you ask? He is from Marmite! BKM Industries wrote: . Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something. Unvalid Argument as this belongs to everywhere, HiSec, lowsec, 0.0 and WH space. @topic: Fozzie, Is it really that bad with low class wormholes? Oh my god ... but OK. Better than the nothing.
Leany Umangiar Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 1	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:35:57 - [32] - Quote Can't wait for all the influx of daytrippers thinking that w-space is a easy ISK Dont forget your d-scan
Niskin League of the Lost 16	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:11:42 - [33] - Quote I was already preparing to move into a low class WH in the next week or two, so this is great timing. I'll be able to cover the cost of POS fuel much quicker and the extra ISK can go towards ship replacements or better hulls.
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 678	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:13:49 - [34] - Quote My quick calculation is: Frigates in C1/2 gain 300k ISK in value (100k->400k) Cruisers in C1/2 gain 600k (400k->1m) BS in C2 gain 2.4m (1.5m->3.9m) That means that C2 should finally be significantly better than C1. For C3/4: Frigs gain 900k (500k->1.4m) Cruisers gain also 900k (2m->2.9m) BS gain 1.8m (7.5m->9.3m) (except Sleepless Safeguard that gains only 0.9m) For C4 anomalies, this should result in a net gain of blue loot per site of 19.8 million for Integrated Terminus and Sleeper Information Sanctum, 20.7m for Frontier Barracks and 28.8m for Frontier Command Post. .
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries Chelonaphobia 610	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:40:10 - [35] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. So to clear this up for some folks that are fuzzy on the wh isk faucet. Can you make a billion isk / hour running sleeper escallations? - yes. Can you make a billion isk / hour for more than an hour? - no How it works: A capital escallation is around 700mil isk. From the time you take to start the site until it's finished could be as little as 12 min. 1 miniute to land and get settled. 10 min for 2 siege cycles on the dreads. 1 minute to get in to warp to the next site. We'll just use round numbers and go with 15 min/ site. So 4 sites / hour at 700 mil / site. That's 2.8 bil / hour. Where do I sign up?? There is more to it. To get that 2.8 bil in an hour you need a minimum of 5 guys (2 dreads/2 carriers/1 webber). If you use less pilots it will take a lot more time as you shuffle caps to get the full escallation. The min to get the 2.8 bil in an hour is 5 pilots. So divide 2.8 bil by the minimum 5 guys you're down to just over 500 mil / hour. (which is less than the 1 bil / hour advertised). Other things to consider. The number of sites in the system. There are only so many. Many days you don't even have 4 sites. Sleeper sites aren't like null anoms. If you complete one, then it does re-appear, but not in your system - so it's gone. The practice is you run them for 3 days and then they pop by themselves. I've lived in 2 different C5 and a C6. I can't recall the average number of sites in the C6, but for a C5 I would say it would average 4 sites. So the average isk / hour is 2.8 billiion AND (because they don't instantly respawn) the average isk / day is also 2.8 bil. So, I can make 2.8 bil isk / hour, but I have to split that isk between at least 3 players (assuming you dual box the dreads and carriers) which is super, but the down side is that I can only do that once per day. So I would caution you about isk / hour and isk / day - they are quite often the same thing in a C5 and C6 wh. The other things to consider are you have to take time to scan the data and relic sites down, which is time invested into running those sites that I didn't calculate in to the isk/hour math. There are wh to scan out and guard, bubble or close before you run sites. That's more time to reduce the isk/hour number. If you want a reasonable number for a C5 wh running capital escallations - I would use 3 billiion isk / day and divide that by the number of humans in the wh. That's the income in a C5. The isk / hour is a skewed number in wh and the isk / day is a better way to go just based on the fact that sites respawn not in your system, which prevents 5 hour farming sessions. Farming is quick, dirty and over in a wh.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries Chelonaphobia 610	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:42:41 - [36] - Quote I don't think the increase in blue loots will pull that many folks back into wh. They left for non isk reasons, so adding isk isn't going to pull them back in. I base that on the null model where there are countless systems full of anoms and vacant of pilots due to blue donut dullery. Adding more better red plus signs only brings so many folks back. If you want that to work you would have to totally gut HS incursions.
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 35	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:12:14 - [37] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't think the increase in blue loots will pull that many folks back into wh. They left for non isk reasons, so adding isk isn't going to pull them back in. I base that on the null model where there are countless systems full of anoms and vacant of pilots due to blue donut dullery. Adding more better red plus signs only brings so many folks back. If you want that to work you would have to totally gut HS incursions. Many ppl left WH cause of Hyperion wich directly increased the risk vs reward ratio ergo lower ISK per hour so by increasing the ISK (reward), I think it is pretty good now.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries Chelonaphobia 610	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:59:06 - [38] - Quote Levina Windstar wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't think the increase in blue loots will pull that many folks back into wh. They left for non isk reasons, so adding isk isn't going to pull them back in. I base that on the null model where there are countless systems full of anoms and vacant of pilots due to blue donut dullery. Adding more better red plus signs only brings so many folks back. If you want that to work you would have to totally gut HS incursions. Many ppl left WH cause of Hyperion wich directly increased the risk vs reward ratio ergo lower ISK per hour so by increasing the ISK (reward), I think it is pretty good now. They left because rolling wh sux. It had nothing to do w/ risk vs reward. Wh folks mostly measure success in fun and the mass range thing pretty much sucked the ability to have fun out of w-space. Don't get me wrong, fun is still possible, but the kick in the junk was enough to make a lot of folks pack up and leave. As folks left chains w/ no activity got longer and longer and the game just sucked more and more. Getting day trippers into c1 and c2 isn't going to change a lot. It's the mechanics that suck not the isk vs risk.
Thomas Hurt Reaver Shipyards 335	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:04:07 - [39] - Quote lmao no one left WHs because rolling holes is too hard. Even if they did, Higgs rigs will now put battleship roundtrips at 500m kg. If a C5 corp can't get 6 people together in battleships to roll their static, I don't know what to say.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries Chelonaphobia 610	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:32:00 - [40] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: lmao no one left WHs because rolling holes is too hard. Even if they did, Higgs rigs will now put battleship roundtrips at 500m kg. If a C5 corp can't get 6 people together in battleships to roll their static, I don't know what to say. It's almost like the many conversations I've had with many different players over different corps that I've gotten to know over the past 4 years never happened. Thanks for lmao clearing that up for me.
Brutus Crendraven Stryker Industries 65	Posted - 2014.10.31 05:11:43 - [41] - Quote Leany Umangiar wrote: Can't wait for all the influx of daytrippers thinking that w-space is a easy ISK Dont forget your d-scan I'm more that happy to sell DSCAN T2s.
Brutus Crendraven Stryker Industries 65	Posted - 2014.10.31 05:13:55 - [42] - Quote Niskin wrote: I was already preparing to move into a low class WH in the next week or two, so this is great timing. I'll be able to cover the cost of POS fuel much quicker and the extra ISK can go towards ship replacements or better hulls. Hi, If you need an escort while you setup your pos or need help getting ships in let me know the K entrance and time and I'll get someone over to help you in. But if you do need some guidance on wormholes, POS setups etc message me in game.
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 114	Posted - 2014.10.31 09:35:24 - [43] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Can you make a billion isk / hour running sleeper escallations? - yes. Now all the trolls and noobs just read this and stopped. Serendipity and Thomas, you both are somehow right I tink. Yes a significant share left (quite sure about that) because of the changes sucked and because risk was getting to hi. The remaining share left because CCP i.e. Fozzie just didn't gave any feedback and left us alone. I personally shut down some POSs due to that reason as well. And I agree. The possible, but very limited (!) ISK increase will not bring the old ones back into low-class wormholes, but maybe some new visitors, who may settle. It sounds like a lot of ISK, bu tlike Serendipity wrote in one of his Posts above: The number of available anoms is limited. It's not like Null where you have more anoms and signatures than you often can do (depending on size of your corp). It's the opposite. Taking the nubmer of 2 new anoms per day (which from my experience is realistic in low-class wormholes) we are talking about an possible extra of 10-15M ISK / day in many cases as low-class wormholes often have statics to K-Space, so you can not "roll" your static to farm it. That's it. Only C2 may be viable for this, but C2 has more incoming wormholes as well since Hyperion and rolling your C1 or C2 statics is a pain in the ass, especially C1 statics. It's not like higher class wormholes, where you jump 1-2 times and the static is down. And to roll C2 statics much fast is not worth the effort of haveing the number of People in your wormhole to do so. I could give some furhter reasons / explainations, but that shouldn't be necessary. So please don't freak out because of just some ISK! It will not change much! That's why they have to increase the buy orders so much, because even that "big" step is just a very small one in reality.
Faren Shalni Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 77	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:02:30 - [44] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: lmao no one left WHs because rolling holes is too hard. Even if they did, Higgs rigs will now put battleship roundtrips at 500m kg. If a C5 corp can't get 6 people together in battleships to roll their static, I don't know what to say. If your rolling a C5 with only battleships then you are dumb. you need two guys to roll a C5 connection (assuming average mass on the hole) The issue is the time needed to roll a hole (its not much more than before but its enough to make you wonder why your doing it) then the time needed to scan the chain which now, thanks to Hyperion, contains far more empty WH's than ever before. Quite frankly it feels like a job as opposed to a game. Our corp has gotten to the point where we are looking for K-space connections just to go PvPing over looking for WH entities. So Much Space
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries Chelonaphobia 612	Posted - 2014.10.31 11:39:27 - [45] - Quote Faren Shalni wrote: Thomas Hurt wrote: lmao no one left WHs because rolling holes is too hard. Even if they did, Higgs rigs will now put battleship roundtrips at 500m kg. If a C5 corp can't get 6 people together in battleships to roll their static, I don't know what to say. If your rolling a C5 with only battleships then you are dumb. you need two guys to roll a C5 connection (assuming average mass on the hole) The issue is the time needed to roll a hole (its not much more than before but its enough to make you wonder why your doing it) then the time needed to scan the chain which now, thanks to Hyperion, contains far more empty WH's than ever before. Quite frankly it feels like a job as opposed to a game. Our corp has gotten to the point where we are looking for K-space connections just to go PvPing over looking for WH entities. Good news! They will be introducing a rig into the game to help you! Now that they have tripled the time to roll a wh w/ the mas/range change they are giving you the ability to re-approach the wh at 25% of your normal speed. I'm no math expert but I think 3 X 4 = 12, so it will take roughly 12 times as long to get back to the wh w/ this wonderful new rig. I'm sure the fanboys will point out you are virtually immune to bumping (giggle) and that you can simply and quickly warp away and back and close the wh in record time. You just have to assume no one uncloaks and puts up a bubble at any time during the whole evolution. OMG... I just solved the mass/range thing.... stay with me on this.... When jumping through wh the distance isn't far enough. If you came out 200km off the wh it would be perfect. You could simply warp back immediately and close the wh. Jump mechanics aren't really about having interesting pvp on wh anymore, so let's stretch this jump range out to a reasonable distance and get that wh rolled.
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 199	Posted - 2014.10.31 11:54:33 - [46] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: It sounds like a lot of ISK, bu tlike Serendipity wrote in one of his Posts above: The number of available anoms is limited. It's not like Null where you have more anoms and signatures than you often can do (depending on size of your corp). It's the opposite. Taking the nubmer of 2 new anoms per day (which from my experience is realistic in low-class wormholes) we are talking about an possible extra of 10-15M ISK / day in many cases as low-class wormholes often have statics to K-Space, so you can not "roll" your static to farm it. That's it. Only C2 may be viable for this, but C2 has more incoming wormholes as well since Hyperion (i.e. as a small (1-5man) corp you will not run anoms / gravimetrics when you expect intruders) and rolling your C1 or C2 statics is a pain in the ass, especially C1 statics. It's not like higher class wormholes, where you jump 1-2 times and the static is down. And to roll C2 statics much faster is not worth the effort of haveing the number of People in your wormhole to do so, because you can not feed them. I could give some furhter reasons / explainations, but that shouldn't be necessary. So please don't freak out because of just some ISK! It will not change much! That's why they have to increase the buy orders so much, because even that "big" step is just a very small one in reality. Can't believe you can whine so much when our income just got a major buff, which is also exactly what the community has been asking for. C4 and C2 are both at the receiving end of this, and practically it means that both these dual static paradises (in my eperience the most populated w-space) are even better capable of supporting active corporations and alliances. This is a really ******* awesome move from CCP and once people realize that low-class wormholes will once again be better than hisec farming, we will indeed see a new influx of people, both new and returning players. If you find an empty C4 with C4 and C2 statics, grab it while you can
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 114	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:08:10 - [47] - Quote @King Fu Hostile: Wormhole farming is already today much better than HiSec farming if you are an active corp and if you know how to do it the right way. It's not a Problem at all to get more than 100M ISK / hour doesn't matter which wormhole you live in, so the C4 with C2 and C4 statics are already nowaday a dream if you are an active (!) corp with enough members. Anything else I have explained (not whined!) above. We will see who was right with his assumption and I honestly hope it will be you! I have nothing against more Population. I would love to Exchange todays >90% time wormhole pve content for pvp content! I am not whining, just trying to get some guys like you back down to earth, who do not look on the numbers / reality and just see a gross increase and scream like little fanboys, but when it comes to the net increase you have to realise it is not a "major buff". Go check the figures I posted above! It is not, that I am not welcoming this change, BIUT this is defenitely NOT a ******* awesome move from CCP, this is just a CONFESSION!!!
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1326	Posted - 2014.10.31 17:51:49 - [48] - Quote There are a whole raft if improvements coming in phoebe with what is looking like part of an overall rebalance and re evaluation of wormhole incomes. Each of these in isolation look nice but underwhelming if you want to look at it that way, but taken as a whole, combine to make a significant possibility of regenerating wormhole space better than it has been for a long time, or even ever. Hyperion was a massive shock to the system, all stick and no carrot, and wormhole life was already fragile before it's arrival. It felt so unfair. As it turns out, It may mostly have been a blessing in disguise, as it appears that they suddenly realised that assumptions they had were significantly different to the life we know. Corbexx was invaluable, his efforts both in clearly submitting the truth, combined with the mass of work involved in providing hard data, has opened their eyes to the truth, and it is very clear that they are proceeding from this new viewpoint. We should welcome all their new efforts, and appreciate just how this will bring new life and vitality, we have all witnessed holes emptying, and people leaving, that is really sad, but there is the opportunity for those who stayed to be able to fund their existance within wormhole space, and replace their losses from combat, without having to do kS missions/anoms/incursions. They are not there yet, but it seems they realise that, and the improvements, all little, are coming thick and fast, and are all adding up. Whilst we need sufficient income to live, It is not all about isk per hour, we mainly want something to do, particuarly when it is quiet, or off peak timezone for any corp. I look forward to the day when one can see more life and vitality in wormhole space, a balance of hunters and those who choose other paths,and those that combine them all. something for everyone, individual, small and large group, always something else to do and discover. To CCP we may be loud sometimes, usually you hardly know we exist because we are so quiet, but Hyperion really hurt, and we cried out in pain and sometimes anger, please don't let that put your teams off changing wormholes for the better, be brave, but please consider us in the overall scheme of things, it is our home, as is EVE and we place great value on both. And we appreciate your latest efforts, please keep them up. [u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
Niskin League of the Lost 16	Posted - 2014.10.31 18:18:58 - [49] - Quote Brutus Crendraven wrote: Niskin wrote: I was already preparing to move into a low class WH in the next week or two, so this is great timing. I'll be able to cover the cost of POS fuel much quicker and the extra ISK can go towards ship replacements or better hulls. Hi, If you need an escort while you setup your pos or need help getting ships in let me know the K entrance and time and I'll get someone over to help you in. But if you do need some guidance on wormholes, POS setups etc message me in game. Thanks Brutus. I won't know the time ahead of time, as it will just be whatever night I find an empty C2 and can spend the hour or so setting up the POS and moving things in. I appreciate the offer though, and will keep you in mind if I have questions.
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 200	Posted - 2014.10.31 18:24:23 - [50] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: I am not whining, just trying to get some guys like you back down to earth, who do not look on the numbers / reality and just see a gross increase and scream like little fanboys, but when it comes to the net increase you have to realise it is not a "major buff". Go check the figures I posted above! Fanboy? Screaming? Dude, here's a little math task for you: I ran three C4 anoms today, 1hr 1 minute. One Barracks, two Command Posts. Total 174 units of Neural Network Analyzers and 174 Sleeper Data Libraries. Now calculate how much my net ISK income increases with Phoebe. How do you find these net numbers from reality? I could have ran the rest three Command Posts and the lesser sites, but that would ruin your gross theory. I could have also rolled a new hole to farm, but you seem to think that risk-averseness is a game mechanic, and not a mental condition. And besides they said on the forums that rolling holes is impossible now, so lets just leave it at that and say that +80mil/hr isn't an awesome move and will not change anything, if it makes you happy. (hint, it is actually awesome) (net)
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 532	Posted - 2014.10.31 21:58:21 - [51] - Quote While I really love that the change will most likely help low-class WH inhabitants and daytrippers, I feel that doing it via NPC buy orders should be the last resort. There shoud be some more creative and interactive way (I know they are not mutually exclusive). If anything I wish we could get rid of NPC buy orders for blue loot completely and have everything in wspace derive value from player driven market. W-Space Realtor
Gay Pornstar Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling 11	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:33:51 - [52] - Quote Axloth Okiah wrote: While I really love that the change will most likely help low-class WH inhabitants and daytrippers, I feel that doing it via NPC buy orders should be the last resort. There shoud be some more creative and interactive way (I know they are not mutually exclusive). If anything I wish we could get rid of NPC buy orders for blue loot completely and have everything in wspace derive value from player driven market. While I agree with you, you realize that blue loot is basically the bounties of WH space right? We just have to bring them to highsec instead of receiving money directly. There is an idea of a Gay Pornstar; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there.
Blake Nosferatu Phoenix of the Black Sun 8	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:21:01 - [53] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey everyone. This is the out of character counterpart to the in-character news report posted here. In-character, CONCORD has been troubled by the reports that capsuleers have been collecting Sleeper Blue Loot for their own purposes, especially that capsuleers attempted to compete with the four empires in the recent research race. They would much prefer that all Capsuleers pass their Blue Loot on to the qualified authorities instead of worrying their pretty little heads by investigating these items themselves. As such, CONCORD has been in discussion with all the corporations that are officially licensed to purchase Blue Loot, and they are going to increase their payments for Neural Network Analyzers and Sleeper Data Libraries to encourage Capsuleers to do the right thing and get their loot to their local authorized collection agency. Out of character, this means that as of Phoebe on November 4th, NPC buy orders for Neural Network Analyzers will pay out 200,000 isk and Sleeper Data Libraries will be purchased for 500,000 isk. This should provide a very significant effect on income in the lower class wormholes without having a very large percentage increase in the income of higher class wormholes. This is a good start, thank you ccp.
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 12	Posted - 2014.11.02 07:39:33 - [54] - Quote Niskin wrote: Brutus Crendraven wrote: Niskin wrote: I was already preparing to move into a low class WH in the next week or two, so this is great timing. I'll be able to cover the cost of POS fuel much quicker and the extra ISK can go towards ship replacements or better hulls. Hi, If you need an escort while you setup your pos or need help getting ships in let me know the K entrance and time and I'll get someone over to help you in. But if you do need some guidance on wormholes, POS setups etc message me in game. Thanks Brutus. I won't know the time ahead of time, as it will just be whatever night I find an empty C2 and can spend the hour or so setting up the POS and moving things in. I appreciate the offer though, and will keep you in mind if I have questions. Rather plan for several hours. Setting up the pos, flying in fuel, ships, alts, ammunition takes several round trips. Don't forget that the entrance to your new home is not necessarily in your starting system.
TurAmarth ElRandir H.E.L.P.e.R Astraeaus 65	Posted - 2014.11.02 18:21:26 - [55] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: Don't wormholers make enough already? I thought they pulled in like a billion per person per hour. Honestly, I would like to see the sleeper components be used to build T3s rather then NPC sell orders. Edit: So this is mainly for the smaller wormholes? I don't know enough of wormhole life - only that I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. (1) I don't know enough of wormhole life... well, that's obvious. (2) I have been told we could make billions daily with fairly low risk. Again, yer ignorance is showing. I have lived in holes for almost 4 years, ok? We do NOT make a bil ISK per hour per player... cripes what a thought, we CAN however make a few bil, IN FLEET, IN CAPITOLS and T3s, in C5 and C6s, in a few hours... which is 'shared' across all players. Is it good ISK? Hell yes, is it SAFE ISK? OH HELLS no! (1) Sleepers in C5 & 6 especially are HARD bro... you almost need capitols to run them, or at least very high skilled players in expensive ships with LOTS of hi skilled logi... and (2) it's Anoikis... NO LOCAL... getting hot dropped in sites is a permanent possibility... and an ugly and damned costly one... I've been on both sides of that equation.... and (3) one other thing you ignorance missed... In Anoikis, we live in POSes... POSes need FUEL... and one part of fuel can ONLY be acquired in Empire and therefor has to be shipped in with all attendant cost and risks... AND POSes are, unlike Empire stations, not INVULNERABLE... so ALL of our stuff is permanently at risk, 23/7/365... Again, a very expensive equation I have been on both sides of. So I care not for what YOU think our Lewt and Salvage 'should' be used for... One should not speak of that which one does not understand... It opens one up to ridicule. TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/\|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
umnikar Fishbone Industries 49	Posted - 2014.11.02 21:15:52 - [56] - Quote TurAmarth ElRandir wrote: I have lived in holes for almost 4 years, ok? We do NOT make a bil ISK per hour per player... you missed something over the past 4 years then
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1816	Posted - 2014.11.02 23:22:26 - [57] - Quote I think the recent changes to blue poo are good for C1-2-3 residents, and tangentially C4's as well to a lesser degree. Right now, I estimate that about 40% of C2's are empty. This means we regularly run across systems with +20 sites in our C2 static. Right now we don't run them (well, prior to this being announced) and certainly not in an organised fashion. however, I estimate I could make about 50-65M an hour soloing C2 sites when the blue poo buff comes through. Or, to clarify, i am already making 50-65M an hour, i just haven't sold the poo yet. This is good for me, my corp, my corpies and new recruits into corp who are 2M SP to 20M SP toons. They sudddenly, automagically, have the ability to generate reasonable incomes in one of our statics. it's risky, but so what? While someone is hunting, others idle their alts, and a couple of guys farm. Then we still have the C4 static to farm solo marauderville as well, for the "elite" guys with a lot more skills and a lot more ISK. Previous to this buff, our new bros were sort of stuck - a lucky few would farm the C4's and everyone else would get discouraged even thinking about wasting time doing the C2's. Secondly, do not forget thaat the changes to hull and subsystem consumption of sleeper salvage (MNR's especially) will have an impact on income, at least in the short term. MNR's jumped as high as 9M ISk this week as a supply squeeze hit, and manufacturers began banging out their 9currently) cheaper than pphoebe BPC's of the subs. Post Phoebe, the consumption increases will maintain prices higher than before. Thirdly, we have T3 Destroyers coming (soon tm). Stockpiling for those is already underway, and speculation that llesser-used components will be used, blah blah blah. All three of these things are good for low-end wormholes. But then, again, you have the nullsec relic and data coming to C1-2-3 space as well. Plenty of cloaky, stabbed herons will be hammering these sites for ISK, and dying to ppeople who can lock them down. I think that if CCP Fozzie had a brain he would have done Hyperion as a mixture of carrot and stick. Instead we got beaten down with hyperion, and now the abusive spouse is promising he's changed and is slinging us roses and chocolates to get us back. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 683	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:11:45 - [58] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: I think that if CCP Fozzie had a brain he would have done Hyperion as a mixture of carrot and stick. Instead we got beaten down with hyperion, and now the abusive spouse is promising he's changed and is slinging us roses and chocolates to get us back. Maybe that wasn't so bad in the end. All those people who left wspace on day 1 or even before Hyperion, without at least trying, obviously were already burnt out and just waiting for a tiny push to get out. No other way to explain such an exodus triggered by pretty minor actual changes to the game. Scaring some of the old blood out of wspace may have freed up space for new people who would otherwise have had difficulties to find unoccupied systems. Even a very inactive corp is difficult to remove from low-class space, especially for newer players. Btw, for C4 the buff is also pretty significant. Even just accounting for blue loot, site yield rises more than 30% for two of the anoms and even 46% for the command posts. Terminus even +55% but still the crappiest site. And on top of that we will get the increases in salvage prices. Add to that the new sites coming to wspace and I expect a c4 will have at least a +50% income increase without using the statics. As for ISK/hour, I easily ran slightly more than 3 anoms per hour solo, with the new values this should be close to 400m/hour. Pretty decent. .
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:17:40 - [59] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: however, I estimate I could make about 50-65M an hour soloing C2 sites when the blue poo buff comes through. Or, to clarify, i am already making 50-65M an hour, i just haven't sold the poo yet. This may be valid for somebody in a Drake with up to 10M SP. If your skill improve and you use a different ship (which doesn't Need to be a faction-modded-T3!) you can get easily gain more than 100M ISK / hour from soloing C2 class wormholes. Not that bad I think. Max skilled and if you know how to do the each of the anoms this shifts more and more to 140-150M ISK / hour. Yes, before Phoebe Patch and with current MNR Prices! So I am not talking about 2010. C1 is even better than C2, but I guess after the Phoebe it will be even with C2 more or less!
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 206	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:40:06 - [60] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: As for ISK/hour, I easily ran slightly more than 3 anoms per hour solo, with the new values this should be close to 400m/hour. Pretty decent. I'm interested in techniques and fits that clear Barracks/Commands solo in 15min after the RR fix.
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 683	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:11:31 - [61] - Quote Ah, I should probably have mentioned that that was for a Magnetar. Will be much much slower in a normal c4, with command posts maybe even impossible solo. .
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 207	Posted - 2014.11.03 12:57:16 - [62] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: Ah, I should probably have mentioned that that was for a Magnetar. Will be much much slower in a normal c4, with command posts maybe even impossible solo. That explains. Command Posts are still soloable, but can take 30 minutes.
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 396	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:09:52 - [63] - Quote I personally am hoping that these revisions to blue loot will allow me to finally launch my dream of an AU timezone wh/lowsec corp. I've tried every other mode of life barring npc nullsec. Wormholes is next on my checklist of things to do. Maybe I'll even get lucky. Or die horribly. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
Niskin League of the Lost 16	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:50:33 - [64] - Quote I ran a Frontier Checkpoint (or whatever it's called, the lowest combat anon in a C2) and got 21 Neural Network Analyzers and 12 Sleeper Data Libraries. The tooltips for these items list them at ~70k ISK and 240k ISK resepectively, I assume those are what the NPC buy orders are right now? If so the NNA's would be worth 1.5m ISK and the SDL's would be worth 2.8m ISK at current prices. Under the new prices that would be 4.2m ISK for the NNA's and 6m ISK for the SDL's. So I'm a happy camper.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2158	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:59:22 - [65] - Quote as disgruntled as i am over the additional ISK faucet this creates, i cannot deny that low-end wormhole income is ludicrously low at present. i can literally make more ISK/hr running hisec lvl4s than running C1, C2 and probably also C3 anoms, and that's not even considering the risk involved in the latter. I should buy an Ishtar.
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 684	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:04:01 - [66] - Quote Niskin wrote: I ran a Frontier Checkpoint (or whatever it's called, the lowest combat anon in a C2) and got 21 Neural Network Analyzers and 12 Sleeper Data Libraries. The tooltips for these items list them at ~70k ISK and 240k ISK resepectively, I assume those are what the NPC buy orders are right now? If so the NNA's would be worth 1.5m ISK and the SDL's would be worth 2.8m ISK at current prices. Under the new prices that would be 4.2m ISK for the NNA's and 6m ISK for the SDL's. So I'm a happy camper. The tooltip shows some kind of average market price, and prices for that stuff have already risen a little because people buy them over the current npc price. So the tooltip price is slightly higher than the actual current value (but still a lot lower than the actual value this stuff has after tomorrow's patch). .
Marsan 248	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:12:40 - [67] - Quote What about C4s? This is great for c1-3, but this doesn't give people a reason to go to a C4 over a C3. C4 sites require a pair of ships to run yet return only marginally more than C3s. (Less if you are calulating isk per hour.) Really the C4 site need a better reward level or need to be easier. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:21:31 - [68] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: as disgruntled as i am over the additional ISK faucet this creates, i cannot deny that low-end wormhole income is ludicrously low at present. i can literally make more ISK/hr running hisec lvl4s than running C1, C2 and probably also C3 anoms, and that's not even considering the risk involved in the latter. Then you are doing it horribly wrong or found a way to earn more than 100M ISK / hour from L4 Missionrunning in HiSec. As written on the last page C2 is worst wormhole class, but solo no Problem to reach 100M ISK / hour and possible to increase that if you start getting more efficent. My C1 statistic says currently 138M ISK and I was not very good at the beginning. Could reduce completion time for anoms from the beginning to now by 25-30% approximately. C3 anoms with a Paladin is far beyond that figure of C2 and C1s, so if you earn more by L4 missions, you found a secret way of doing them which was never disclosed before or you have no idea on how to do wormhole anoms the efficient way! Marsan wrote: What about C4s? This is great for c1-3, but this doesn't give people a reason to go to a C4 over a C3. C4 sites require a pair of ships to run yet return only marginally more than C3s. (Less if you are calulating isk per hour.) Really the C4 site need a better reward level or need to be easier. I have seen People who are familiar with C4 telling, that increase for C4 is as well somewhere around 20-30%, which is quite a lot. So I don't get your point?

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11916	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:03:54 - [69] - Quote Just a FYI: the affected NPC corporations are being a bit stubborn and resisting the Inner Circle's directive. They'll be brought in line soon enough. In other words the price changes didn't take effect over the patch downtime as expected, because the old NPC market orders didn't properly clear to make way for the new orders. We're working on getting this fixed as I type. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Agrippa Arkaral Revenge of the Liquidators The Marmite Collective 18	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:05:09 - [70] - Quote edit: ninja'd by above
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1364	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:07:31 - [71] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Just a FYI: the affected NPC corporations are being a bit stubborn and resisting the Inner Circle's directive. They'll be brought in line soon enough. In other words the price changes didn't take effect over the patch downtime as expected, because the old NPC market orders didn't properly clear to make way for the new orders. We're working on getting this fixed as I type. BRING DA HAMMER Signature Tanking - Best Tanking

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11917	Posted - 2014.11.04 13:02:56 - [72] - Quote Ok. We can't reset all of the orders completely without disrupting the market so we're going to do that over downtime tomorrow. In the meantime it appears that selling one item to one of the NPC buy orders causes the order to use the new price for all future transactions, but that workaround isn't available in regions that have higher priced regional orders. TL:DR is we're gonna fix this over downtime tomorrow. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 400	Posted - 2014.11.04 18:05:19 - [73] - Quote Awesome. Also love that the new patch was so small. Fozzie as a question indirectly about wormhole occupancy iirc you said in the minutes that spawn rates for sites in unpopulated/unvisoted jspace would become 3 days before they despawn? Is this change to facilitate a more moderated chance of consistent income long term or is the system asyet unchanged and the jspace with all those sigs still needs to be accessed to get the countdowns rolling? I'm trying to put together a corp and any kind of hint in regards to whether we want a buried hole or not would be great. I'm sure some of this is already documented by players but finding it through the sea of garbage google brings up has proven taxing. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 11944	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:48:26 - [74] - Quote All fixed. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:57:14 - [75] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: All fixed. All? Mass Spawn Distance? Frigate Holes? When will we see your blog about development in wormholes? At least all the Traders who had several heart attacks yesterday can now calm down again
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 209	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:44:26 - [76] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: All fixed. All? Mass Spawn Distance? Frigate Holes? When will we see your blog about development in wormholes? At least all the Traders who had several heart attacks yesterday can now calm down again Mass spawn distance mechanic and frigate holes were also already added in the last expansion and both work well. Try logging in?
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:44:43 - [77] - Quote NO? Don't say it has been introduced with Hyperion already? Honestly? Completely missed that jumping my Orca back and forth through wormholes. --> You seem to have problems with sarcasm, but I know it's difficult in a written form. And yes, sometimes I log in. Trust me. :) Again: Nothing personal, but please stop telling me everything is fine in wormholes. Maybe for you, as you are part of a quite big alliance. But as you can see from 104 pages many others don't think that way. I accept everything is fine for you, so please accept our Impression as well. PS: Waiting for your feedback on my reply on the statistics in the other thread.
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 209	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:59:30 - [78] - Quote Nothing personal either but stop whining here that there's something wrong with wormholes. Maybe for you, as you are part of an NPC corp. Back on topic, don't you think this change is good?
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:10:53 - [79] - Quote Yes, I think this one change (Phoebe & low-value-Blue-Loot increase) is good for wormholes. No doubt!
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 819	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:53:32 - [80] - Quote Rabble Rabble Yaay!!!!
umnikar Fishbone Industries 49	Posted - 2014.11.05 20:56:15 - [81] - Quote King Fu Hostile wrote: If you find an empty C4 with C4 and C2 statics, grab it while you can This is exactly what I abandoned on Hyperion incident - a Magnetar even...But still I would not be interested in any c2 chains.
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 210	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:43:10 - [82] - Quote umnikar wrote: King Fu Hostile wrote: If you find an empty C4 with C4 and C2 statics, grab it while you can This is exactly what I abandoned on Hyperion incident - a Magnetar even...But still I would not be interested in any c2 chains. C2 chains offer wonderful small scale pew that doesn't always require insane scheming and full logi-backed T2 comps, I really enjoy being able to grab whatever random ship I feel like flying tonight and go have a fight. Now they are also full of non-combat relic and data sites, and the C2 sleeper anoms are perfect for our lower-SP members now that the loot value is fixed. Hell, it's worth doing for older guys too.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1840	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:01:53 - [83] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Awesome. Also love that the new patch was so small. Fozzie as a question indirectly about wormhole occupancy iirc you said in the minutes that spawn rates for sites in unpopulated/unvisoted jspace would become 3 days before they despawn? Is this change to facilitate a more moderated chance of consistent income long term or is the system asyet unchanged and the jspace with all those sigs still needs to be accessed to get the countdowns rolling? I'm trying to put together a corp and any kind of hint in regards to whether we want a buried hole or not would be great. I'm sure some of this is already documented by players but finding it through the sea of garbage google brings up has proven taxing. yeah, he's really going to answer that question. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 411	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:31:04 - [84] - Quote Fozzie is a fickle god. It doesn't hurt to ask. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1275	Posted - 2014.11.21 13:22:06 - [85] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Awesome. Also love that the new patch was so small. Fozzie as a question indirectly about wormhole occupancy iirc you said in the minutes that spawn rates for sites in unpopulated/unvisoted jspace would become 3 days before they despawn? Is this change to facilitate a more moderated chance of consistent income long term or is the system asyet unchanged and the jspace with all those sigs still needs to be accessed to get the countdowns rolling? I'm trying to put together a corp and any kind of hint in regards to whether we want a buried hole or not would be great. I'm sure some of this is already documented by players but finding it through the sea of garbage google brings up has proven taxing. yeah, he's really going to answer that question. Unasked questions go unanswered the longest.

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