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Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:49:36 - [1] - Quote Session: Nullsec, Page 61 "CCP Fozzie - We have said in the past that we want there to be more interesting game play there. AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power. To me, it is the equivalent of posting on the forums until someone stops ratting. It has the same physical impact in many ways. ..." CAREBEAR BUFF #238 of 2014 When they finally make this game like WoW... peeps just gonna go play WoW instead
Nalha Saldana Shattered Void Spaceship Samurai 857	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:53:00 - [2] - Quote If you want to kill me come fight me, not sit and wait until you can kill me without consequences.
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:55:17 - [3] - Quote Nalha Saldana wrote: If you want to kill me come fight me, not sit and wait until you can kill me without consequences. I would buuuut... youd just auto warp to safe/log til your BLOP support comes. You really think a nullbear rater miner wants to fight? Lul NULLBEAR buuuuuffjob
Nalha Saldana Shattered Void Spaceship Samurai 857	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:01:18 - [4] - Quote "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" The same goes for afk cloaking, when we all cloak in each others systems and everyone is ratting in highsec will you be happy?
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 771	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:17:26 - [5] - Quote Well, it's a bit out of context since the further discussion went about covert cynos, which are only in one version of AFK cloaking. AFK cloaking per se doesn't look to be going anywhere in the near future. However, they have discussed (and only in a couple of sentences, so no real or serious feature discussion was involved) the potential hypothetical possibility of maybe taking a look at covert cynos and their use in combination of covert cloaks. o.0
Natural420 Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:23:29 - [6] - Quote Persifonne wrote: When they finally make this game like WoW... peeps just gonna go play WoW instead This
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13725	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:30:47 - [7] - Quote He didnt say they are removing it. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Almethea Trans Stellar Express 173	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:34:54 - [8] - Quote all form of AFK something should be quickly removed. remember the static ice belt? people cant no more 'camp' a belt. why not work on AFK cloaker asap? there's no reason to allow stay cloaked 23h/day and camp a system. after i hope they will work on AFK station and AFK ratting. there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it ! CCP Fozzie > AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 761	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:40:56 - [9] - Quote what does that mean? should someone be able to outsit me in station or POS when I'm cloaked? I demand autoeject from dock or pos ff after a certain time to prevent afk hiding. inb4 come siege pos argument: you know its bull****.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13726	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:56:42 - [10] - Quote Almethea wrote: all form of AFK something should be quickly removed. remember the static ice belt? people cant no more 'camp' a belt. why not work on AFK cloaker asap? there's no reason to allow stay cloaked 23h/day and camp a system. after i hope they will work on AFK station and AFK ratting. AFK cloaker. Cant move, cant lock, cant shoot and theres nobody at the controls. But apparently it can lock down systems for days at a time. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship

Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2876	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:02:09 - [11] - Quote Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay? To be honest I'm sure there are means that could be implemented to check if you really are at your keyboard. Usually if you are actively stalking somebody or you gather intel or set trap or anything else that is done under safety of cloak you chat or click d-scan or fly at some direction or warp around or check possible targets info (for ship and/or pilot), etc. There's no need to introduce fuel for cloak or anything like that, that would just make genuine cloaked hunters life more hassle. "Simple" set of UI interaction checks would probably get rid of 99% of AFK "activities" including miners, links, cloakies, ratters you left unattended. Wanna have a longer break? Dock or log off or your ship will deactivate all modules and recall drones to drone bay. Also AFK cloaking is not the same as AFK ratting or mining or autopiloted hauling. Those ships are exposed out in space and can be probed down, warped to, tackled and killed. You cannot do any of those things to AFK cloaky. Invalid signature format
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13726	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:15:20 - [12] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay? To be honest I'm sure there are means that could be implemented to check if you really are at your keyboard. Usually if you are actively stalking somebody or you gather intel or set trap or anything else that is done under safety of cloak you chat or click d-scan or fly at some direction or warp around or check possible targets info (for ship and/or pilot), etc. There's no need to introduce fuel for cloak or anything like that, that would just make genuine cloaked hunters life more hassle. "Simple" set of UI interaction checks would probably get rid of 99% of AFK "activities" including miners, links, cloakies, ratters you left unattended. Wanna have a longer break? Dock or log off or your ship will deactivate all modules and recall drones to drone bay. Also AFK cloaking is not the same as AFK ratting or mining or autopiloted hauling. Those ships are exposed out in space and can be probed down, warped to, tackled and killed. You cannot do any of those things to AFK cloaky. Where exactly is the problem with an AFK cloaker? It literally cant do anything. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:19:38 - [13] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Where exactly is the problem with an AFK cloaker? It literally cant do anything. THE SINGLE WORST OFFENSE (even bannable) IN ALL OF NEW EDEN.... LIMIT BEARS ISK SCORE! Nullbears cant rat in null..... major probs yo.
Nobax Green Skull LLC 5	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:20:55 - [14] - Quote Make all local like wormhole local... Problem solved.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2876	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:28:17 - [15] - Quote Funny thing is: cloakies have impact only in null or in very isolated lowsec systems. Nobody cares about cloaky in hisec. I guess root of the "problem" is you don't know if he's AFK or not but you know his character is there because local shows him. And I generally don't like the idea of not playing a game being valid way of playing a game. You know, it's hard to play football while shopping or waiting at dentists waiting room. Personally I don't have problems with cloakies AFK or not because in null I simply don't undock my ratting or mining ships and in lowsec I don't care about anything in local with me except of "can I gank it or not". But I have problem with calling anything done AFK a valid gameplay. And no, training and market don't count, those systems are designed for being AFK. Invalid signature format
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13726	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:28:55 - [16] - Quote Nobax wrote: Make all local like wormhole local... Problem solved. When CCP does occupational sov and changes the way isk is earned they will get lost in the local list anyway. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:36:26 - [17] - Quote Game design 101. Everything needs a counter. The moment some tactic or mechanic can not be countered, you've broken something. This has nothing to do with 'get a fleet together and protect yourselves' or 'if 1 cloaker can shut down your system you don't deserve to be there'. Both of those points hold truth in a game like EVE. But the fact of the matter is that a cloaker can not be engaged until the cloaker himself decides to engage. In other words, a cloaked ship can not be countered in any way. That's bad game design at its core and does need to be fixed in some way. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Kamahl Daikun Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:36:27 - [18] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay? To be honest I'm sure there are means that could be implemented to check if you really are at your keyboard. Usually if you are actively stalking somebody or you gather intel or set trap or anything else that is done under safety of cloak you chat or click d-scan or fly at some direction or warp around or check possible targets info (for ship and/or pilot), etc. There's no need to introduce fuel for cloak or anything like that, that would just make genuine cloaked hunters life more hassle. "Simple" set of UI interaction checks would probably get rid of 99% of AFK "activities" including miners, links, cloakies, ratters you left unattended. Wanna have a longer break? Dock or log off or your ship will deactivate all modules and recall drones to drone bay. Also AFK cloaking is not the same as AFK ratting or mining or autopiloted hauling. Those ships are exposed out in space and can be probed down, warped to, tackled and killed. You cannot do any of those things to AFK cloaky. Regarding AFK Cloaking, in a way, I can (partially) see the point of it. In another way, there's no real problem with it. Giving your enemy the false impression of a presence is a tactic. So is spoofing your numbers or strategy. Also, afk cloaking doesn't really...affect anything. It's literally just +1 in Local. No one who's smart enough to fit a cloak is too dumb to hop belts looking for you. If you're ratting in null, you're either in a belt or anom. It's not that hard to find you. If a good amount of time passes and nothing happens, it's (mostly) safe to assume that person is actually AFK. Then again, regardless, it's nullsec and you should be prepared anyway. On the topic of AFK not being a valid form of gameplay, you're an idiot. Not everything needs to be mentally, physically, and sexually involved in this game. I'm sure mining needs some changes but I don't want a ***** hacking mini-game on every cycle. Much like I don't want to solve a puzzle to initiate warp drive. Not everything needs to be that** involved. tl;dr i dont see the problem stop being bad
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 761	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:39:21 - [19] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay? I say someone who doesnt understand how being afk is part of the gameplay is an idiot. When I enter local all bears hide in station. Now I have 2 options, leaving system and going afk or semi-afk (reading forums). While I am watching TV or bang my gf the bears seeing me in local are forced either to come out ratting with me in local or stop playing (leaving system is too much for many as it involves using a gate), which possibly puts me into comfortable position of finding a bear in belt 2h later which I can pewpew I couldnt before thanks to local. You see how being afk is part of gameplay now? local works fine both ways, for bears safety and for the attacker too (stalking, psychological warfare).
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 172	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:40:44 - [20] - Quote AFK cloaking is not to be removed, contrary to the OP. However, in the past CCP did express the desire to do something with local as an intel tool. So, perhaps, one day we'll see the end of the "social power" of the AFK cloakers once and for all - but not the way the nullsec bot aspirants expect...

BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 289	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:56:55 - [21] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay? Not true, I can have an AIMbot play for me...um wait, what?
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13728	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:58:17 - [22] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: But the fact of the matter is that a cloaker can not be engaged until the cloaker himself decides to engage. In other words, a cloaked ship can not be countered in any way. That's bad game design at its core and does need to be fixed in some way. Its countered by the fact that an AFK cloaker cannot do anything. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Alice Johansen Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 7	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:04:45 - [23] - Quote Just remove cloaked characters from local.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2876	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:06:37 - [24] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: Schmata Bastanold wrote: Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay? I say someone who doesnt understand how being afk is part of the gameplay is an idiot. When I enter local all bears hide in station. Now I have 2 options, leaving system and going afk or semi-afk (reading forums). While I am watching TV or bang my gf the bears seeing me in local are forced either to come out ratting with me in local or stop playing (leaving system is too much for many as it involves using a gate), which possibly puts me into comfortable position of finding a bear in belt 2h later which I can pewpew I couldnt before thanks to local. You see how being afk is part of gameplay now? local works fine both ways, for bears safety and for the attacker too (stalking, psychological warfare). Thing is when you are banging your gf you are not playing Eve unless she's jumping on your junk while you are clicking around and looking over her shoulder. And if you are not playing the game you are not part of gameplay. Just my opinion and we can argue about it till Christmas without any resolution because right now game works how it works and we can do nothing about it. Regardless of cloakies being AFK or not, game mechanics should promote activity not lack of it. Invalid signature format
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13730	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:28:17 - [25] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Regardless of cloakies being AFK or not, game mechanics should promote activity not lack of it. They do, hence why when you afk cloak you can do nothing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Myassa Chaktaren Industries 2	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:30:50 - [26] - Quote I have learned from my time in null that there is a very easy and simple counter to the afk cloaky camper. Use your own cloaky camper to camp the cloaky camper! They seem to hate that and do not stay in system for very long. I am guessing they do not want to blop something and then in turn get blopped themselves. All I know is that it works great!
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:31:31 - [27] - Quote baltec1 wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: But the fact of the matter is that a cloaker can not be engaged until the cloaker himself decides to engage. In other words, a cloaked ship can not be countered in any way. That's bad game design at its core and does need to be fixed in some way. Its countered by the fact that an AFK cloaker cannot do anything. That's not a counter, that's a restriction on the cloaker's part. It doesn't help any potential attacker to kill him. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes 131	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:38:17 - [28] - Quote This is the never ending posting on the forums for ages. I can understand that pure carebears have a problem with afk-cloakers. But the problem is based on the fact that they are not able to or maybe not prepared to or maybe too lazy to or finally not willing to counter them. Time by time we have afk-cloakers in our primary ratting system. At the first glance it might be annoying. But for a true PvPer it isn't. I for myself do Anoms. If we have an afk-cloaker I simply do a break and do something else. The idea of the enemy is to stop a corp/alliance from making ISK or to catch carebears. As someone with a rich wallet I don't care. And so do most of EXE. I just start to collect as much intel as possible. The easiest way is to look at the killboards. If there's nothing special because it's a fresh char you can find out by baiting. There are not really many options what could happen: tackle for Blops, tackle for hot-drop (if the system isn't cyno-jammed), tackle for support next door (like Interceptors), tackle for a solo kill (yes, come to me and die!). So now tell me: where's the threat? All options can be countered if you can bring a fleet. If not: do something else. Leave the system and the afk-cloaker will disappear after a few days because it makes no sense to waste a char staying in an empty system forever. Conclusion: counter instead of complaining. There's no problem in EVE what can't be solved.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13730	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:40:19 - [29] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: That's not a counter, that's a restriction on the cloaker's part. It doesn't help any potential attacker to kill him. Its also not a threat to anything because it cannot do anything. Shall we now force people to undock from stations or leave a POS? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 508	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:42:17 - [30] - Quote If AFK cloaking is so bad how come no one badmouths my AFK cloaker in highsec mission hubs huh HUH!?! CHECKMATE ATHEIST!! HECK EVEN MY AFK CLOAKER IN WH SPACE GET'S IGNORED!!! PEOPLE EVEN IGNORE MY AFK CLOAKY IN LOWSEC!!! Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 626	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:43:32 - [31] - Quote And here we have a fine example of 'seeing what you want to see' in a statement. Heres the facts - nowhere in that document does it say that AFK cloaking is going to get removed, all it says is that CCP might take a look at the interactions between covert cloaks and covert cynos at some point in the future. Stop reading something that isnt there into it simply to support your stupid dislikes. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 735	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:00:39 - [32] - Quote Almethea wrote: remember the static ice belt? people cant no more 'camp' a belt. Perhaps but the new ice belts appear as warpable objects on the probe scanner.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2713	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:11:57 - [33] - Quote Nobax wrote: Make all local like wormhole local... Problem solved. Invent probes to "ping" cloacked ships and hunt them down. Problem solved differently. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes 131	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:24:15 - [34] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Nobax wrote: Make all local like wormhole local... Problem solved. Invent probes to "ping" cloacked ships and hunt them down. Problem solved differently. This has been recommended thousands of times and it's stupid because an active cloaker needs some freedom (on grid). If you are able to get just the possible position by probes you destroy what cloaks are made for: not visible on scan, hide your position in a system.
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes 131	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:26:02 - [35] - Quote To make it more clear. Claiming for probes to find cloakers is like claiming for a 99% resistance because you can't tank the enemies DPS.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 761	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:41:04 - [36] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Invent probes to "ping" cloacked ships and hunt them down. Problem solved differently. which problem? there isnt any except of whiners not being able to farm in 100% safety.
Josef Djugashvilis 2634	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:34:30 - [37] - Quote I just love the fact that a single cloaked ship can scare the bejasus out of so many tough guys. This is not a signature.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8809	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:02:42 - [38] - Quote Persifonne wrote: Session: Nullsec, Page 61 "CCP Fozzie - We have said in the past that we want there to be more interesting game play there. AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power. To me, it is the equivalent of posting on the forums until someone stops ratting. It has the same physical impact in many ways. ..." CAREBEAR BUFF #238 of 2014 When they finally make this game like WoW... peeps just gonna go play WoW instead +1 I never udnerstood all the crying about afk cloakers. It took me 13 seconds to figure out what to do: [Typhoon, screw U AFKguy] Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Micro Jump Drive 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Drone Link Augmentor II Large Drone Speed Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Berserker II x3 Valkyrie II x2 Warrior II x1 I lost one ship fit like this to a hot drop over the course of 4-5 years. Then CCP introduced the MJD and it got even safer. I said this in another thread but i'll say it again to all the anti-afk cloak whiners: Why are you playing a game about thinking if you don't like to think about ways to win/survive?
Ashlar Maidstone ImaNicePirate.com 121	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:25:02 - [39] - Quote This is by far the most rediculous post I have seen yet to date about something I do myself, and there is no way in hades that Im gonna change in what so ever how I play using this method of gathering intel or whatever. This has become probably the top news story of the century and believe me if I were CCP, I be planning on hiding somewhere much safer than an iceberg. AFK Cloaking is here to STAY, so get over it.....
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1581	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:26:16 - [40] - Quote Crying about AFk cloaking in null, where null should be dangerous... and not for solo play/rating but in groups that would make em a bit safe but not fully. Why not remove/nerf local in null... it can't be afk cloaked if you dont know it's there Akrasjel Lanate General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude

R0mparkin Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:30:50 - [41] - Quote negative. learn to eve
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:46:54 - [42] - Quote Nalha Saldana wrote: If you want to kill me come fight me, not sit and wait until you can kill me without consequences. HONORABRU 1V1. COME FIGHT ME NOW, YOUNG RONIN. DO NOT DEVISE "STRATEGY" FOR SUCH IS DISHONORABRU. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 17433	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:52:13 - [43] - Quote OP is a rabble rouser. Move along people. Read the minutes for yourselves and youll see what they really said.. not what OP cherrypicked for threadnaught purposes. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:54:40 - [44] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: OP is a rabble rouser. Move along people. Read the minutes for yourselves and youll see what they really said.. not what OP cherrypicked for threadnaught purposes. Reported for VERBAL ATTAK SLANDER!!! SEE YOU IN 14DAYS yo
Gaan Cathal Angry Mustellid The Periphery 16	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:00:14 - [45] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Game design 101. Everything needs a counter. The moment some tactic or mechanic can not be countered, you've broken something. This has nothing to do with 'get a fleet together and protect yourselves' or 'if 1 cloaker can shut down your system you don't deserve to be there'. Both of those points hold truth in a game like EVE. But the fact of the matter is that a cloaker can not be engaged until the cloaker himself decides to engage. In other words, a cloaked ship can not be countered in any way. That's bad game design at its core and does need to be fixed in some way. A cloaked ship also can't impose any ingame action on another ship. The closest they get to having a direct effect while cloaked is reporting of enemy fleet compositions/locations etc. Which is half the point of having a cloak at all. As soon as a Cloaker is capable of actually doing anything, he is engageable.
Ten Digits Verbose Laureate 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:00:36 - [46] - Quote afk cloaking should be removed. or be able probe afks, scan or something. better yet no local
Josef Djugashvilis 2636	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:04:44 - [47] - Quote [quote=Ten Digits]afk cloaking should be removed. or be able probe afks, scan or something.[/quote I accept that Eve Online players like to think they are a bit 'smarter' then those who play WoW etc, so tell me good sir, how do you know if a person in a cloaked ship is, in fact afk? This is not a signature.
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:06:05 - [48] - Quote Let me get this strait. AFK cloaking is bad because null-bears cant leave their pos to do their pve stuffs in null.....priceless.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 6991	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:06:21 - [49] - Quote Rumor Mongering in my GD? Who'da thunk it. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
somedudeinaship Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:10:11 - [50] - Quote You do realize that many games like WoW do have very hardcore elite communities as well right? It may be a very different game, and very easy to get into, but it still has its difficult gameplay. Granted yes it was and always will be designed around the casual player and accessibility as well. Eve should never go that way, so I agree in order to prevent that from happening carebears that hate cloaky ships should not get their wish just because they don't like it.

Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 1578	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:10:24 - [51] - Quote stop posting. seriously.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5593	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:12:59 - [52] - Quote A removal of local and the ability of all ships to dial in a system to system warp would turn the game into a cauldron of PVP and covert ops. And to say it'll kill the game is an admission that the game is indeed all about min/max farming and all PVP is not "playing the game" but merely preventing the playing of the game. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space 10399	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:26:44 - [53] - Quote Pure bluster. I would love to know how they think they can remove laying in wait for an opportune moment to strike as a concept. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 651	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:31:15 - [54] - Quote To paraphrase one dev (because I CBA to find the exact quote): "Show me someone who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I'll show you someone who has no business playing EvE." The minutes say nothing about removing/nerfing/changing AFK cloaking, only looking at the interaction of cloaks and covert cynos. I guess you could say, "Ze minutes, zey show nothing".... CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
flaming phantom T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 43	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:33:20 - [55] - Quote Waahhhh! Mommy I can't carebear in peace! Go beat them up with the nerf bat! How about no. As others have said, a cloaker can't do anything.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3450	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:34:21 - [56] - Quote Quote: 32. Rumor mongering is prohibited. Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the wellbeing and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. Please use the CSM9 minutes thread to provide feedback. Thanks. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


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