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Evelyn Lavi	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:56:00 - [1] http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=248 And let me quote: - 100's of instas on the majority of characters are causing unnecessary server load in many scenarios (logon, switching systems, on use etc.) The rest of the blog is a good read too. It explains what a mess of EVE instas are causing.
Talidorn Pandoras Mining Covanant R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.22 21:59:00 - [2] Know how to read the date of this devblog? 2005.05.30 17:58:22 Talidorn
Evelyn Lavi	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:02:00 - [3] Are you implying that the problems with instas have magically gotten better within the past year? On the contrary, considering server stability and lag, and the even greater dependency that junkies have on them, I'd argue for the opposite. The problem's gotten worse! How about some "evidence" to contradict that statement, hmmmmmm?
Nosferatu Zodd Black-Sun	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 22/08/2006 22:05:32 Yup, the game has changed a bit. For example you have warp bubbles now. Quoted from that blog : So, this brings us down to the real question with instabookmarks, the one which we ask ourselves; "How can we decrease the invulnerability factor while still keeping some amount of the travel time deacrease and safety of instabookmarks?" -------------------------------------------------------
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Talidorn Know how to read the date of this devblog? 2005.05.30 17:58:22 Talidorn Congratulations! You have stated the most ignorant and inane response for today's forum hijinks! So the blog is a year old. Think the bookmark problem has gotten any better since then? Are you suggesting that a magic wand's been waved and in the past year, rendered the server stress from instas nonexistent? You, sir, are either a troll or a total insta junkie in denial.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Nosferatu Zodd Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 22/08/2006 22:05:32 Yup, the game has changed a bit. For example you have warp bubbles now. Quoted from that blog : So, this brings us down to the real question with instabookmarks, the one which we ask ourselves; "How can we decrease the invulnerability factor while still keeping some amount of the travel time deacrease and safety of instabookmarks?" We had warp bubbles then too. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Nosferatu Zodd Black-Sun	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Nosferatu Zodd Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 22/08/2006 22:05:32 Yup, the game has changed a bit. For example you have warp bubbles now. Quoted from that blog : So, this brings us down to the real question with instabookmarks, the one which we ask ourselves; "How can we decrease the invulnerability factor while still keeping some amount of the travel time deacrease and safety of instabookmarks?" We had warp bubbles then too. And who used them at that time except you? -------------------------------------------------------
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:08:00 - [8] Oh yeah, on another note, even if we accept the premise that "a year's time has magically fixed all the database issues with the glut of instas, everywhere," the other statements made in the dev blog are still very relevant. Yes, there are no drawbacks to instas, and rather, there is a drawback to NOT having instas, forcing a dependency and warping game mechanics around them. There are many, many other issues with instas, if you read the blog and stop plugging your ears. But I really doubt you'll do that, because the thread trolls are probably waiting for the lag from their latest BMcopy to settle down.
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:11:00 - [9] I think the OP tried to do a service, because some very ignorant people were stating, over and over again "there is no evidence that instas cause lag or database overload." It's really sad that these same people, when given the evidence they asked for, now say "Nyeeeeh! That was a year ago! The problem magically solved itself since then!"
Deez Nuttzy	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:12:00 - [10] quit complaining geez. pirates have it good right now as it is. this game is about all areas not just pirating, hmm don't we have miners, traders, etc. if we get rid of insta BM then lets change the name to EVE-ARGH cause everyone will be pirates then.

Anti Protagonist Gallente Archron Dusyfe Industries	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Are you implying that the problems with instas have magically gotten better within the past year? On the contrary, considering server stability and lag, and the even greater dependency that junkies have on them, I'd argue for the opposite. The problem's gotten worse! How about some "evidence" to contradict that statement, hmmmmmm? Uhm....lets see. New DB structure, new DB server, new cluster.... Yeah, I'd say there's plenty that's changed that year+ old statements shouldn't be considered still accurate. How about some actual evidence that it is still a problem? The "lag" could as easily be attributed to the fact that there are many thousands of more players active now....
Trillian Mcmillan The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:14:00 - [12] Edited by: Trillian Mcmillan on 22/08/2006 22:16:01 Hello again. I am an insta junkie. Please stop harrasing me already. Im just trying to live here. I have absolutly no trouble with you not having any BMs. Please stop trying to blame every single problem you have on me. I am not responsible for game inblanaces. And no i did not couse any lag. I also have nothing to do with the long patch deployment. I use bookmarks for personal medical reasons only. I suffer from a condition better known as "wisdom". It can be easily expalind as a state in which i always try to use the tools given to me. I really need bookmarks (g2g insta, ss, insta dock, insta undock, tactical and attack spot) to help me with this medical problem. I have a prescription from CCP which allows me to use them. If you do not cease your harrasment i may be forced to file a formal petition.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:15:00 - [13] I dont get the point with instas and CCP.. now a days you are deadmeat in 0.0 (and low sec) without them, so they are pretty much mandatory. A mandatory server load for CCP; they could simply remove instas and add a warp to 0km option with BMs that have not been used for a month to be deleted. No one would use instas anymore and the sole purpose to create BMs would be tactical.
Capt Ty Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Are you implying that the problems with instas have magically gotten better within the past year? On the contrary, considering server stability and lag, and the even greater dependency that junkies have on them, I'd argue for the opposite. The problem's gotten worse! How about some "evidence" to contradict that statement, hmmmmmm? Has it gotten worse? His comment reads to me that instas have been around for a long time and the game still works fine. The game seems to have more problems as a result of database configuration issues and buggy patches.
Capt Ty Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.22 22:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Are you implying that the problems with instas have magically gotten better within the past year? On the contrary, considering server stability and lag, and the even greater dependency that junkies have on them, I'd argue for the opposite. The problem's gotten worse! How about some "evidence" to contradict that statement, hmmmmmm? Has it gotten worse? His comment reads to me that instas have been around for a long time and the game still works fine. The game seems to have more problems as a result of database configuration issues and buggy patches.
Evelyn Lavi	Posted - 2006.08.23 02:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Evelyn Lavi on 23/08/2006 02:44:01 The burden's on you now, junkies. Do you have "evidence" that a year's passage has magically removed the database burden "instas" place upon it? Or are you so self-convinced that absolutely nothing will sway you, not even the lag you get when you copy your thousands of disgusting little bookmarks and slap them onto your "people and places" folder? This kind of selfish, distorted thinking helps explain for me why most of the United States is still convinced that Iraq had something to do with the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.23 02:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Nosferatu Zodd Originally by: Avon Originally by: Nosferatu Zodd Edited by: Nosferatu Zodd on 22/08/2006 22:05:32 Yup, the game has changed a bit. For example you have warp bubbles now. We had warp bubbles then too. And who used them at that time except you? /me raises hand, since December 2004. /Ben
Ragnar6 Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan Edited by: Trillian Mcmillan on 22/08/2006 22:16:01 Hello again. I am an insta junkie. Please stop harrasing me already. Im just trying to live here. I have absolutly no trouble with you not having any BMs. Please stop trying to blame every single problem you have on me. I am not responsible for game inblanaces. And no i did not couse any lag. I also have nothing to do with the long patch deployment. I use bookmarks for personal medical reasons only. I suffer from a condition better known as "wisdom". It can be easily expalind as a state in which i always try to use the tools given to me. I really need bookmarks (g2g insta, ss, insta dock, insta undock, tactical and attack spot) to help me with this medical problem. I have a prescription from CCP which allows me to use them. If you do not cease your harrasment i may be forced to file a formal petition. Amen sister and may I have another! BMs rule! Rag,
Archo X Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:02:00 - [19] Wow you guys are friggin rocket scientists!!! A server that handles almost 30,000 simultaneous users, probably 100,000 NPCs, a huge market, an escrow system, probably a million asteriods, and hundereds of other object can only be lagged by instas. You are n00bs. Sorry. If you want lag to go away get out of Jita, stop farming lvl 4 missions, and stop... well stop everything. If instas were such a lag factory CCP would/should have been fixed by now. Instead they removed old buggy missions. Now stop whining. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes I got h4xXx0rzed!!!!11!!on3!!!111!1el3ventEEn!!!11 N3RF teh modz!!!
Cylynex	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:03:00 - [20] Don't you have anything better to do than comment on old dev blogs? Stop whining and adapt to the way things work instead of how YOU want them to work.

Talidorn Pandoras Mining Covanant R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Anti Protagonist Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Are you implying that the problems with instas have magically gotten better within the past year? On the contrary, considering server stability and lag, and the even greater dependency that junkies have on them, I'd argue for the opposite. The problem's gotten worse! How about some "evidence" to contradict that statement, hmmmmmm? Uhm....lets see. New DB structure, new DB server, new cluster.... Yeah, I'd say there's plenty that's changed that year+ old statements shouldn't be considered still accurate. How about some actual evidence that it is still a problem? The "lag" could as easily be attributed to the fact that there are many thousands of more players active now.... Thank you for the obvious reply to the OMFGDON'TUSEINSTAHypocrits. And to the poster with no pic... I'm a troll? where's your pic you n00bscab? I've played over 2 years now. It has slowly gone up and down with lag. New DB server and wow... WTF happened to the lag... Look, CCP will nerf instas when they do (Hell they did it to my drones). The skill is already in the list for the future WTFPWNage of instas (seen Warp Navigation rank 4 - Skill at navigating in warp. 10% Bonus to warp accuracy and 10% less max range from desired warp location per level?). So get off of your high horses and use your instas with pride... at least until the time that Warp Navigation hits and CCP finds someway to "cleanse" all of our unused instas... Talidorn - stating the obvious for the clueless
Archo X Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Edited by: Evelyn Lavi on 23/08/2006 02:44:01 snipped for trolling and real world political discussion- Tirg You probably should not have said that last line... You have proven yourself a tart and I wish you luck and my you not drool on your keyboard too much. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes I got h4xXx0rzed!!!!11!!on3!!!111!1el3ventEEn!!!11 N3RF teh modz!!!

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Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Shiraz Merlot on 23/08/2006 03:30:48 That just tells you the implementation needs work. There are loads of ways you could efficiently implement the modelling, view and transactional control of thousands/millions of database objects in a client-server system. CCP just needs teh will to implement one.
Carter Burke	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=248 And let me quote: - 100's of instas on the majority of characters are causing unnecessary server load in many scenarios (logon, switching systems, on use etc.) The rest of the blog is a good read too. It explains what a mess of EVE instas are causing. Easy solution. Push bookmarks down to the client. Problem solved. Next pathetic whine, please. CB
Tohopka	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:42:00 - [26] I like how randomly the word "pathetic" is being tossed around. What's pathetic about preferring a working, low-lag server over the hunk of crap we've had to put up with for the last few weeks? Pathetic is better used to describe something petty, small, and weak. Like a bunch of players who need a bookmark exploit to get by. Or even better, the people that threaten to leave if (boohoo) their bookmark exploit eventually gets removed.
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.23 03:52:00 - [27] Copying BM's no longer causes lag. It just takes ages because it's low-priority. That's a temportary way of REDUCING the issue. It needs changing..but making the player more vulnrable by default is NOT the only way of doing it. 0km warp / new active ways to catch also fills Oveur's requirements.
Father Weebles SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.23 04:04:00 - [28] once ccp fixes tech2 ill give up instas
eLLioTT wave Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.23 04:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Carter Burke Originally by: Evelyn Lavi http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=248 And let me quote: - 100's of instas on the majority of characters are causing unnecessary server load in many scenarios (logon, switching systems, on use etc.) The rest of the blog is a good read too. It explains what a mess of EVE instas are causing. Easy solution. Push bookmarks down to the client. Problem solved. Next pathetic whine, please. CB Yeh great idea then no one needs to make bookmarks ever. We can just map out the systems and create a program that makes 20 different sniping bookmarks for each gate we come across... yay Seriously please think these things through. Insta's ARE a problem, they WILL be changed. Sooner you realise that and start coming up with good solutions instead of trying to stick to what is present, the better.
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 04:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Maya Rkell Copying BM's no longer causes lag. Ahahahahahaha.. ..proof? Originally by: Maya Rkell It needs changing..but making the player more vulnrable by default is NOT the only way of doing it. Originally by: Oveur Now, from my point of view, the far most important part of this equation is the near invulnerability during travel. Something doesn't quite add up. Oh yes, your suggestion is the exact opposite of what CCP wants. I'm getting deja vu! Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.



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