Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Copying BM's no longer causes lag. It just takes ages because it's low-priority. That's a temportary way of REDUCING the issue.

It needs changing..but making the player more vulnrable by default is NOT the only way of doing it. 0km warp / new active ways to catch also fills Oveur's requirements.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"And let me quote:

- 100's of instas on the majority of characters are causing unnecessary server load in many scenarios (logon, switching systems, on use etc.)"

Look up "unnecessary". Then come back and explain how you started with "not needed" and arrived to "primary lag source".

(necessity and severity are two entirely different things)

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Originally by: Evelyn Lavi

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http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=248

And let me quote:

- 100's of instas on the majority of characters are causing unnecessary server load in many scenarios (logon, switching systems, on use etc.)

The rest of the blog is a good read too. It explains what a mess of EVE instas are causing.

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Originally by: Evelyn Lavi

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Are you implying that the problems with instas have magically gotten better within the past year?

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"cmon lets not get pedantic"

I was actually quite serious there. I mean, if being "unnecessary" is a proof why instas have to go, then there's _lot_ of things that put "unnecessary" lag on the server. Like opening your hangar to put or take out stuff from it, or having turrets on your ship that swing about a lot when you pew-pew the other ships, or having visual missiles that you shoot at these other ships. All these lag sources could be easily removed, but is this (causing not necessary lag) a reason and justification good enough to remove them?

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"they are bad aspect of the game in that they are needed or else you lose a big advantage. it's annoying to use them, to manage them, to copy them ect. Lets just come up with a better alternative eh?"

Yup, now this is another matter entirely. As for trying to find alternatives... well, i tried some time ago. CCP tried too, a few times. Hope they eventually think of something good here, but in the meantime 'discussion' that focus just on "instas bad, make them go. amen brother, TESTIFY! damn them server power guzzlers!" doesn't really help in achieving this ^^;

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Originally by: Anemus Thuella

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Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 23/08/2006 07:39:08
Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 23/08/2006 07:38:24
I know I'm a newb and sorry if this has been mentioned before but how about this for a solution.

Make Empire 0.5-1.0 gtg warps be 1-2km from gate on default setting.

Make 0.1-0.4 be 7-10km to give time for a bit of piracy.

And 0.0 would get the full 15km with deadspace added so no mwds on gate approaches.

Instas would work like they do now for all the other uses they have, safe-spots, insta-dock/undock etc.

This would greatly reduce the amount of bookmarks, add more PvP in 0,4-0,0 systems and not mess up the game-mechanics too much. You could even make it part of the fiction saying that CONCORD has upgraded all gates with bubble-tech reducing the travel-time for Empire-inhabitants and protecting the public from pirates by slowing down their incursions into civilized areas with the added dead-space.

Edit.
I saw your post on 0.0 alliances choking EVE, But couldn't this be solved with more entry points into 0.0? Or maybe Empire residents could create those cynosaurual-thingies and jump into remote, not patrolled areas set up a POS and attack from behind. Or am I missing something here?

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Originally by: Evelyn Lavi

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http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=248

And let me quote:

- 100's of instas on the majority of characters are causing unnecessary server load in many scenarios (logon, switching systems, on use etc.)

The rest of the blog is a good read too. It explains what a mess of EVE instas are causing.

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Originally by: eLLioTT wave

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Perhaps new bubbles that work in empire, which have a reduced range and only catch war targets? (perhaps 5km) Also new ones for low sec with better than high sec ones but still worse than 0.0 (perhaps 7km) which catch all however the person who dropped them becomes aggressed no matter where they currently are as soon as someone is dropped into the bubble, so if they are in high sec their shuttle is destroyed, if they are docked they get undocked and attacked by sentrys. If they logoff the bubble goes inactive. If their current ship is destroyed the bubble goes inactive.

Anything i've left out?

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Originally by: Anemus Thuella

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Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 23/08/2006 07:39:08
Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 23/08/2006 07:38:24
I know I'm a newb and sorry if this has been mentioned before but how about this for a solution.

Make Empire 0.5-1.0 gtg warps be 1-2km from gate on default setting.

Make 0.1-0.4 be 7-10km to give time for a bit of piracy.

And 0.0 would get the full 15km with deadspace added so no mwds on gate approaches.

Instas would work like they do now for all the other uses they have, safe-spots, insta-dock/undock etc.

This would greatly reduce the amount of bookmarks, add more PvP in 0,4-0,0 systems and not mess up the game-mechanics too much. You could even make it part of the fiction saying that CONCORD has upgraded all gates with bubble-tech reducing the travel-time for Empire-inhabitants and protecting the public from pirates by slowing down their incursions into civilized areas with the added dead-space.

Edit.
I saw your post on 0.0 alliances choking EVE, But couldn't this be solved with more entry points into 0.0? Or maybe Empire residents could create those cynosaurual-thingies and jump into remote, not patrolled areas set up a POS and attack from behind. Or am I missing something here?

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Originally by: madaluap

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WOW That is a bad idea

So empire gets:

1.saver

2.faster to travel

0.4-0.1
1.easier to avoid getting killed

2.faster to travel

0.0
1. will be totally ******, because people cannot use a mwd , so my mega cant mwd, my inties cant mwd around the gate, nothing can mwd in 0.0 near a gate?

2. So the place where people have absolutely the most measures to get people into pvp will be made not more dangerous, but simply suicidal.

Serieusly i have been choking in interdictors and bubbles and i can tell you that catching a target in 0.0 is really one of the easiest things...compared to 0.1 and higher.

and yeh offcourse let the carebears make cynofields so they can instajump from 1.0 15 jumps into 0.0 and setup a pos...and mine trit all day long.

Edit:

But we can allways strike a deal Every player in a war gets a undock button, so the enemy has to log or after 15 minutes he becomes vunerable to the auto-undock button.

If a player presses this button the target will undock in its current ship and cannot redock for 5 minutes. (scotty the manager says: "go fight you carebear")

Also there is a 50% chance of scotty refusing docking permission for 2 minutes every time someone in war undocks.

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Originally by: DemonStar Supernova

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Edited by: DemonStar Supernova on 23/08/2006 07:24:05
Ok. I havent posted on this topic before and I dont plan on posting on it again. And so I dont get angry quotes, this is aimed mostly at the OP.

People complain about large corporations hoarding vital items and having complete non-dispuited control over certain reigions and ded-spaces. Everybody knows that a 15km warp makes you wrechedly vulnerable to attack forces larger than yourself, especially if youre in a situation where you have to travel alone. Every reigion has only a few chokepoints of entry.

So, you wanna kill instas and not propose an alternative? Well guess what, you just gave every large alliance executive control of almost 60% of the surface space of eve, and they can protect those small chokepoints with an incredibly small group of ships. Why? Because everybody and their momma has to slowboat straight up to a blob.

You wanna whine about server loading times? How about knowing that every single empire based person in eve is forced to stay exactly where they are until they join a corp that already has a ridiculous amount of power by owning an entire reigion, unchecked and unchalenged. Rather than having to defend 50 systems, they have to defend 3.

Youre proposing the end of reigional warfare, the end of a fair and competitive economy, and the end of a free and open eve. You wanna save the servers and eliminate 0.0 in the process. Until you can propose a better idea, rather than ranting about increased server load, then youre ideas are useless to me, and everyone in eve that chooses to step foot outside empire.

Truth be told, I live in 0.0. I could care less about travel times. I use Instas to travel through several incredibly hostile reigions just to get a hauler full of ammo to my battleship. The second I open that hauler up to any ship that may just happen to wander up behind me, my supply lines are completely cut. No modules, no ammo = no playing.

All I can say is thank god youre not a Dev. Until a reasonable solution (*Im in the navigation skill camp*) can be integrated, either I have my instas or CCP doesent have my money.

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Copying BM's no longer causes lag. It just takes ages because it's low-priority. That's a temportary way of REDUCING the issue.

It needs changing..but making the player more vulnrable by default is NOT the only way of doing it. 0km warp / new active ways to catch also fills Oveur's requirements.

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