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Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.25 00:38:00 - [1] To whom it may concern. We are requesting a change to the official alliance map. It currently shows the great wildlands as belonging to persons other than the thukker tribe. This is not correct, and legally impossible. All systems in that region are the soverign property of the Thukker Tribe, and any claims are contrairy to established law, and therefore illegal. As residents of this region, we are severly offended to see that we ,supposedly, live under the control of an alliance. This is untrue. Those claimg the wildlands as there own, illegally, are seen, only near the stations and empire space. You can find them downing innocent, non-hostile persons, mostly incapable of defending themselves (like the 2 shuttles I watched destroyed for no reason last night while cloaked). How do you claim control of entire region by camping empire gates and stations, ineffectivly I might add, and NOT HAVE A SINGLE SYSTEM CLAIMED AS SOVERIGN? Is it really that easy? Just say it is yours and it is? Best Regards, =6HI= Management "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
Aeaea XanoTech	Posted - 2006.08.25 02:17:00 - [2] What the backstory or the map display shows is completely contrary to what big guns show.
Sovereign533 Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.25 02:57:00 - [3] the map displays the alliances operating in the systems... not the factions or corporations...
Feterous Jolin Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 05:20:00 - [4] You will see that several NPC regions are claimed by major alliances. Stain, G Wildlands, Venal, Syndicate, etc. The "alliance map" shows which of the big alliances live and operate out of the space. They claim this space and will kill anyone trying to leech off their space. All the NPC stations do are make it more difficult to keep people out, but it does not make them any less easy to gank. True the claim may be "illegal" to the role players or whatever, but the alliance map is really not for role playing. It is used to show who is in power and where they live. Take it at that, and either avoid hostile 0.0 space, make friends with the alliances and corps living out of the npc space you are interested in, or forge your own path and take a claim for yourself. If you want to try and claim part the great wildlands, post it on the map forum topic, not in here. -- My views do not represent my corporation nor my alliance.
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.25 08:06:00 - [5] nothing to change all belongs to me
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.25 09:28:00 - [6] Lets put it this way - if you slowboat a BS through Great Wildlands, it won't be Thukker Tribe that gives you a free trip back to the cloning station ! Max Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.25 10:04:00 - [7] Great Wildlands are completly unclaimed and only friendly Noobish carebear corps are ever there. Dont believe me? Please come on down and see for yourselves. It's a wide open sky with nothing but blue everywhere. Nobody would shoot any innocents there ever, we promise.
Lady Zirconia Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.25 11:27:00 - [8] The map definitely doesnt show sovereignty. If you want to see sovereignty use the in-game map filter. When you decide to do this you will notice that the major alliances actually have a distinct minority of their "claimed" space as sovereign. But you are welcome to make your own claims, if you can afford the losses...
6ynelle 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:49:00 - [9] So if you -V- guys have such uber control of the wildlands how is it we have multipule POSs in wildlands. You DO NOT have control over it regardless of what you claim. Having a few gates, and stations camped does not mean control. PS Slowboatong a full indy through there is fun, but hardly a challange.... Again we request the Wildlands be marked as UNCONTROLLED. -V- does not have control of the REGION. I will be happy to send the map makers the locations of our POSs to prove it... Thakns Again.. =6HI= Management
6ynelle 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.25 16:02:00 - [10] Edited by: 6ynelle on 25/08/2006 16:02:26 Originally by: Max Teranous Lets put it this way - if you slowboat a BS through Great Wildlands, it won't be Thukker Tribe that gives you a free trip back to the cloning station ! LOL ya right, you all talk a good game, but you must be tied up with RA, as wildlands, contrary to the propaganda, is not a dangerous place to live or work...
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.25 16:16:00 - [11] I believe Gynelle was trying to make the point that we are not new to this area, and we do move plenty of gear through the wildlands, in unarmed indys. No alliance has stopped us, nor even been aware of our operations. For one to claim contorl of an area they should at the minimum be able to tell how many POSs are in the systems they control, and who they belong to. "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Lady Zirconia Edited by: Lady Zirconia on 25/08/2006 11:48:59 The Alliance map definitely doesnt show sovereignty. If you want to see sovereignty use the in-game map filter. When you decide to do this you will notice that the major alliances actually have a distinct minority of their "claimed" space as sovereign. But you are welcome to make your own claims, if you can afford the losses... (Feterous, this is a RP forum - your comments have no place here.) Our losses are minimal at best, much lower than we had planned on. All of our missions to date have been successful. Our buisness is thriving. Your threats, and implications of stupidity, do not scare us, nor does it reflect the truth of the situation. We already know the truth, your propaganda is just that... "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
Rai Ardose Caldari Itchy Trigger Finger Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:25:00 - [13] well you just invited an alliance like 200 times bigger than your tiny corp to go and give a bash on your hard earned POS, good luck on defending it m8 :) PS. im taking bets on the outcome
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:45:00 - [14] Edited by: Swift Wind on 25/08/2006 21:48:46 Edited by: Swift Wind on 25/08/2006 21:45:37 If our small fleet, less than 10, can tie up an alliances scouts and Dreds, then our mission would be considered a success.... As we have proven, we cannot be stopped from deploying our POSs, therefore conrol is not established. As far as losing towers is concerned, comon now, do you think we would allow our major assets to be "under-threat"? you underestimate us. Our POSs are out there to prove a point nothing else... You assume we value them, you assume wrong. "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
5amm Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.26 00:17:00 - [15] I think it comes down to the simple fact that we do what we please, as do you all. We have not been stopped, and cannot be stopped. Big guns mean the same as small guns to us. We fly around all day unarmed. So here comes all the empty threats that are as scary as my eight year old daughter. If it is worth the while of a huge alliance to come for us, then we must be doing things right. Like has been said we are a TINY company. It must be embarassing to have such an insignifigant tiny newbie corp passing through unscathed.... and able to set up POS's as easy as if it was done in the empire. I personally will continue to operate unarmed. And as for those big guns... I will try to remember to shake in fear next time I see them!
Sovereign533 Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:11:00 - [16] oh my god... this is great... look, don't mess with the big alliances, you might get hurt... well... i have absolutely no idea in what shape the alliance is that "owns" Great Wildlands... but i'm positive they could blow you out of that region if they really wanted... you said your not afraid of the big guns... well... neither am i... but a lot of guns is scary... losing a POS is bad, takes an impact on your isk... losing another POS, is a bit worse, losing all of your POS's + the indy's because of 24/7 camps is even more bad... like i said, i have no idea who or what the alliance is... but if i was in that alliance, i would make you swallow your own words ;)...
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.26 03:38:00 - [17] Edited by: Swift Wind on 26/08/2006 03:43:09 Edited by: Swift Wind on 26/08/2006 03:39:49 Originally by: Sovereign533 oh my god... this is great... look, don't mess with the big alliances, you might get hurt... So we have been told..... A fight is not what we are looking for. A correction is. Regardless of claims, our point stands, Great Wildlands is not under alliance contol. Alliances claiming control do so in word alone, with no established control, we seek to prove this alone. As for your threat, you may be able to kill us, but you cannot stop us, unless you tie up your resources to do so. Stoping 6 or 7 guys sounds easy, but how many gates you need to camp? How many scouts you gonna send out to check EVERY moon in the region? How many dreds you gonna task out to destroy the POS Towers (nope no arrays, sorry) T1 frigs and indys, you do find? How mush ISK you gonna spend? How much time are you going to waste sitting at a gate in the middle of nowhere, hoping one of us might show up? I would be proud to be on the recieving end of a million ISK assult, but would you be proud to spend it? :) PS- BF2 player eh? Ever heard of =PBF=? "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
LTD THOR Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:10:00 - [18] i heared fried grasshoppers are a wholesome meal cus lots of proteins!? i should call our high council.. My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
Lord Wimbishi Caldari Wolven Elite Guard Ghosts of Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.26 10:28:00 - [19] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 26/08/2006 10:31:03 My question is .. well what if the map mods told ya to get real and do something about it. Um.. what are you gonna do about if they just say **** off like.. uh what they are doing right now hmm? you are stuck with a few choices. Fight to claim sov, or sit here and whine more about it. It will only come down to to who teaches who a lesson in proper 'manners' of regional sov. This game is in a line of thinking of those who are strong are right in game. If you don't have it, shut up and just hit them when they don't expect it or don't see it coming. Its the inevitable truth of how things swing here. Might = right. If you don't have it, you don't have a say, only if you have some cause of true righteous communal bearing on your side will you. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Sovereign533 Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 26/08/2006 10:31:03 My question is .. well what if the map mods told ya to get real and do something about it. Um.. what are you gonna do about if they just say **** off like.. uh what they are doing right now hmm? you are stuck with a few choices. Fight to claim sov, or sit here and whine more about it. It will only come down to to who teaches who a lesson in proper 'manners' of regional sov. This game is in a line of thinking of those who are strong are right in game. If you don't have it, shut up and just hit them when they don't expect it or don't see it coming. Its the inevitable truth of how things swing here. Might = right. If you don't have it, you don't have a say, only if you have some cause of true righteous communal bearing on your side will you. and even then your flamed xD...
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Swift Wind A fight is not what we are looking for. A correction is. And so...you deliberately invite an attack. Right. Rather than submitting a simple post to the mao thread. Which, btw, you're very unlikely to get honoured. Jusr becuase you have a few POS in an out of thw way system in no way negates the local alliance's hold over the region, and you've now made yourself very visible targets.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:25:00 - [22] Request Denied. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Request Denied. So all we need to do is form an alliance and sya we operate out of a region, and it's ours? Sad.... So be it.... "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:59:00 - [24] Originally by: LTD THOR i heared fried grasshoppers are a wholesome meal cus lots of proteins!? i should call our high council.. Ever try to catch a grasshopper? You'll need your councils assistance... "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.26 17:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 26/08/2006 10:31:03 My question is .. well what if the map mods told ya to get real and do something about it. Um.. what are you gonna do about if they just say **** off like.. uh what they are doing right now hmm? you are stuck with a few choices. Fight to claim sov, or sit here and whine more about it. It will only come down to to who teaches who a lesson in proper 'manners' of regional sov. This game is in a line of thinking of those who are strong are right in game. If you don't have it, shut up and just hit them when they don't expect it or don't see it coming. Its the inevitable truth of how things swing here. Might = right. If you don't have it, you don't have a say, only if you have some cause of true righteous communal bearing on your side will you. "...because it's there, is reason enough..."
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.26 23:55:00 - [26] As i understand it the territory map expresses who is the dominent Pod-pilot alliance/alliances in an area of space. Therefore although the Great Wildlands are officially in control of the Thukker Tribe, they are not a POD-pilot based alliance & thus do not feature on the POD-pilot territory map. There are few regions in the galaxy where the alliance shown in control of a region is the only one in that area. In most cases they are merely the largest, strongest or smartest. So if you grasshoppers formed an alliance, fought LV & defeated them to the extent that you became the dominent entity in the region, then you could have your name on the map. As said above by others though it would be a laugh if you managed. _______________________________________________ The above comments & views do not reflect the opinions of Cosmic Odyssey or Chorus of Dawn; just those of an enlightened member
TheTaintedOne Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:25:00 - [27] hehe, this thread is funny.
Morela Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.27 02:14:00 - [28] It's prolly cause the map creator couldn't stop giggling when he tried to write "thukker tribe".. :)
LTD THOR Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.27 05:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Swift Wind Ever try to catch a grasshopper? You'll need your councils assistance... hey, i¦m only the ship¦s cook! My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
TooooWANDA	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:01:00 - [30] Originally by: LTD THOR Originally by: Swift Wind Ever try to catch a grasshopper? You'll need your councils assistance... hey, i¦m only the ship¦s cook! imho... Best way to catch and cook is with area affect napalm.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Swift Wind Ever try to catch a grasshopper? You'll need your councils assistance... no, just a proper fly slap ;) x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Double Blade	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:15:00 - [32] This will be hilarious when -V- is done with RA and starts diverting their full attentions to the GW region. I hope someone gets fraps.
Chou Yung	Posted - 2006.08.27 13:56:00 - [33] Im sorry but this is a bit stupid realli. You wudnt be in GW if anybody thought you were a threat, and the fact that you have some POS's in some dead sys somewhere does not mean that you disrupt the control the alliances have on the region. And for the record it wouldnt take millions of isk or scouts or dreds or watever you want to find where you are. It would take one guy to go to empire and use a location agent to find you, and then a 30 man bs fleet to knock out your POS's, so dont get*****y.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.28 04:48:00 - [34] Its funny to get every week so a statement from peoples i never see in GW. Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.29 08:50:00 - [35] Edited by: Plutoinum on 29/08/2006 08:50:15 Originally by: Swift Wind For one to claim contorl of an area they should at the minimum be able to tell how many POSs are in the systems they control, and who they belong to. Looks like we have to check our sytem and invest some time to tidy our home a bit. But now it looks like we get visits from Goons and Imperium soon and I really appreciate that. Usually we have the difficulty that people like to go on a fun ops, but we have also duties at home. Now the fun comes to us. Guess we are really lucky. But tearing down your poses sounds boring. It may take some time, until your poses get on top of our priority list.
elrikyo Puppets on Steroids	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:47:00 - [36] GW = -V- Nuff Said.......
Gauss Belloid Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.29 11:01:00 - [37] and me naturally
LTD THOR Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:12:00 - [38] o7 My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
Senator Palpatine	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:58:00 - [39] Wait, I get it now! They use numbers for letters!!! I almost thought this thread was a joke until now . . .
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.30 04:40:00 - [40] yeah claim soverignity once you can i dare you
The Yzzerman Caldari Mortis Angelus Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.30 11:24:00 - [41] GW is my home so dont f*** with it
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:40:00 - [42] It's the same kind of thing with stain right? ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech-
AnubsiRa Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.04 23:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Gauss Belloid and me naturally Sure mate, you¦re Inventory of GW for a long long Time now and i won¦t miss you there. I love the Fights vs. you and the nice convo¦s with you. greetz AnubsiRa And for The rest of the ppl who cry for mapchanges etc..... Come in and Find out if Tukker or -V- give you the clone express. And i don¦t care which colour these map have. ¦I know that -V- control it and the rest of Eve too.
Rina Shanu Peace Loving Criminals	Posted - 2006.09.05 08:28:00 - [44] Quite a fuss. Very interested of the outcome. As a general note, the bigger they are the harder it is to turn and look for those small bugs circling. (a reason why I love guerrila tactics and fast paced roaming - by the time anybody mobilises it's all over) Anyways, having attracted attention.... and POSes..... RECRUITMENT this ok dear?
LTD THOR Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.05 09:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Rina Shanu Quite a fuss. ... As a general note, the bigger they are the harder it is to turn and look for those small bugs circling. (a reason why I love guerrila tactics and fast paced roaming - by the time anybody mobilises it's all over) ... you¦re right mr. chez guevara.. it¦s cause everyone in every bigger ally is searchin the "mainblob" to hang around in one system as a part of a big collective.. My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.05 10:29:00 - [46] our corp is mainly operating in gw area atm. And its very boring to camp empire access systems where 5 "wannabe GW claimers" are hidding. Me personally dont have the time to sit there 24/7. Anyway if you realy know what you are talking about then why is Fountain claimed by BoB and why is Geminate claimed... why is Curse claimed and providence those regions all are actually claimed by factions? I can go to fountain and sit in station or in safespot and gank some easy targets and say that fountain is now free? Seems like you havent played eve enough. I personally dont care if map shows GW as Veritas Immortalis space or not. You cant fly safe there anyway.
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.05 23:11:00 - [47] Seemed quiet enough. ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech-
Swift Wind Matari Liberation Organization	Posted - 2006.09.09 19:37:00 - [48] Originally by: putukas You cant fly safe there anyway. neither can you... still waiting for my POS to be attacked.... Death is quite a useful tool for the immortals....
Patric Murphy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.15 16:01:00 - [49] I can attest also to the statments of the OP. Altho I have moved north recently i made my home in Molden Heath (sp?) for a long time. Operating in the northern sections of GW was simple. B-vip9 offers almost unrestricted accses, and when camped it is a 50/50 as to wether it is -V- or one of the local pirate corps.at most 1 out of 4 pilots i met in GW where -V-, so while they may claim all of it, they have absolutly no hold over Lage areas. No, i cant spell, Yes, i have an education. Please try to keep your responses related to what I said, not the typo's.
Tulas Flint Amarr Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.16 23:50:00 - [50] Edited by: Tulas Flint on 16/09/2006 23:52:06 ... i dont know how many times u guys hidding if we come ... ratting on a sidearm of b-vip in a raven with cloack and stabs and logoffski if more then 1 peeps jump into system ... cant hear this blsh longer ... come out of ur safespots and fight or be quiet in the future ! @ ccp its time for scanner probs to find cloacked ships so long
Swift Wind Matari Liberation Organization	Posted - 2006.09.17 08:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Tulas Flint Edited by: Tulas Flint on 16/09/2006 23:52:06 ... i dont know how many times u guys hidding if we come ... ratting on a sidearm of b-vip in a raven with cloack and stabs and logoffski if more then 1 peeps jump into system ... cant hear this blsh longer ... come out of ur safespots and fight or be quiet in the future ! @ ccp its time for scanner probs to find cloacked ships so long I have never hid from you, please post the log showing where you called me out for "hiding", whats that you can't, kill mails sure, I always face you, and rarely fail at my mission. Need better probes? I agree, its hard to find a POS without good probes eh? I always here the same thing out of ya'll, yet have not had my operations hindered in the least, and exactly what is the problem with stabs any who? I fail to see the problem with fitting a device that counters a weapon. You get ***ed when ECCM is fitted too? Would you like me to just eject and hand you my ship? It's not like i use an exploit to travel safely... fit more jammers and dump your instas, then we can discuss fair play. Death is quite a useful tool for the immortals....*
Patric Murphy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Tulas Flint Edited by: Tulas Flint on 16/09/2006 23:52:06 ... i dont know how many times u guys hidding if we come ... ratting on a sidearm of b-vip in a raven with cloack and stabs and logoffski if more then 1 peeps jump into system ... cant hear this blsh longer ... come out of ur safespots and fight or be quiet in the future ! @ ccp its time for scanner probs to find cloacked ships so long 1. I never fit stabs on annything but haulers. 2. I dont even have the skills to use a cloak. 3. Every time (exept one) I have seen 1 other person jump into local they have been a non -V- member and we end up ratting togeather. The one time i did have a -V- member find me ratting he was the one who sat in a safe spot with a cloak. No, i cant spell, Yes, i have an education. Please try to keep your responses related to what I said, not the typo's.
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:34:00 - [53] it's all irelivent really. ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech-
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:04:00 - [54] Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: putukas You cant fly safe there anyway. neither can you... still waiting for my POS to be attacked.... 90% of time im logged in i can. And POS attacking wount come so soon. We still need you in GW to get kills. Eve would be boring if there wasnt people like you. But please give us some fights!
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.20 00:23:00 - [55] Well OP is right. For months on end -V- had such a tight control over GW NOTING went in there. Latey they are bysier in SP so they have ganerally be willing to ignore random peeps moving in after DT and stuff like that. As a result any odd noob can now have his say lol. If you want to be serious: POSs mark control of conquerable space. In npc faction owned space you get "control" if for a consitent and lengthy period of time you meet and ultimately defeat any groupings of invaders. For example: 5 peeps are camping entrance gate ... say 7q-. If -v- kills them or makes tyhem run every day or most of the time then -v- has control. If they can go and camp a station (say eo2) for hours on end and -v- usually fails to kick them out then -v- doesnt have control. Its all about challenges and the dominant entity's reaction, see? Now if you consistently manage to sneak in a nanovigil cause nobody gives a flying f* then... well... nobody gives a flying f* I guess... Does that answer your concerned query?

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