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Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:52:00 -
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funny how all the****abond *****s are cringing in this thread.
killboards full of vagabonds? sure, ppl go solo in the middle of enemy territory in vagabonds, not with any other hac.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.25 23:17:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/08/2006 14:44:49
Originally by: dabster
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Vagabond is IMHO the most overpowered HAC in game.
QFT
lol
its great seeing people reply with ZERO clue or logic behind the whole thing 
Jennys post and the QFT match eachother in that way...
At least Jenny wrote a better post further down.
Oh i am sorry, because your followups add anything either?
Besides, having thought about it some more its the stabs and to a lesser extent snake implants which cause more problems. I've lost count of the times a Vaga should of died but didn't because he used at least two get out of jail free cards. With snakes they're faster than 'ceptors which i don't think should ever be the case.
Originally by: El Berto
...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.25 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Besides, having thought about it some more its the stabs and to a lesser extent snake implants which cause more problems. I've lost count of the times a Vaga should of died but didn't because he used at least two get out of jail free cards. With snakes they're faster than 'ceptors which i don't think should ever be the case.
No vaga is faster than a ceptor unless the vaga has snakes and the ceptor doesn't. Even a vaga with full HG snakes won't keep up with any inty with the same implants (unless it uses an AB). Also, just because you can't kill it doesn't mean its too good. Running = the vaga did NOT win. Though I suppose he didn't lose either. The fact that so many people are angry that the vaga can always run shows just how horrendous its killing ability is. If it needs to run that much, how good can it possibly be...
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.25 23:59:00 -
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I give it to the ishtar.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.26 12:27:00 -
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Even though I hate to hunt down a vagabond they are pretty balanced IMO and IF there is a problem its cause of the pirate implants.
Vagabond is an excellent ship to ambush NPCers, cause when the angry gang comes to hunt you down you can evade them quite easily. But you wont see many of them in gangs or fleets, cause thats not what they are designed for.. hell even the name says it "vagabond"!
The best way to fight vagabonds is to have your gang ready to act when one is sighted, and not try to hunt him down after he has done what he came for
On the other hand snake implants need a slight nerf in their effectiveness if you ask me..
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.26 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/08/2006 12:55:09
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
If it needs to run that much, how good can it possibly be...
I think mostly Vaga manages to kill its victim, but runs away when the victim friends show up to blob him. That upsets people - they didnt get "revenge". So they come here and claim that Vagas need to be nerfed because they get away easily.
I personally think all the drone carriers are pretty unbalanced. Using drones means you have all your high slots free for nos or whatever you like. But very few people complain about it, because they are gallente (or caldari, with the stupidly overpowered Raven).
But when was the last time these posts led to something... 
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Wolverine PL
Gallente
Bermuda Syndrome
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Posted - 2006.08.26 14:19:00 -
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Now every vaga is stabbed, so ishtar cant kill it, but with coming wcs nerf that should change. No more 5 wcs on vaga.
I hope they will nerf wcs soon.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2006.08.29 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Reto on 29/08/2006 12:39:02
why ppl fit so many stabs on vagabonds ? if u have 5 lows it sure is worth to fit somert else aswell. despite the fact being able to run when the situation is getting hot stabs are not much of a use in combat. i thot about a dmg control, 2 nanos II, 2 gyros II or 2 local hull nanofibre sturctures would do an awsome job and a vaga speed or dmg wise. i never flew a vaga so am i wrong ?
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
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TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:23:00 -
[99]
Vaga.
Can't deal damage, Can't tank for toffee, but boy can it run.
Ishtar
Deals Damage, Tanks like a *****, Jams you, Noses you.
Vaga fits stabs , so he runs away. Surely that means the ishtar wins by default.
So if the vaga runs, Ishtar wins
if the vaga doesn't run, he dies. Ishtar wins.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Vaga.
Can't deal damage, Can't tank for toffee, but boy can it run.
Ishtar
Deals Damage, Tanks like a *****, Jams you, Noses you.
Vaga fits stabs , so he runs away. Surely that means the ishtar wins by default.
So if the vaga runs, Ishtar wins
if the vaga doesn't run, he dies. Ishtar wins.
There is no other possible outcome.
Funny how that would be considered overpowered if it wasnt a gallente ship.
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sanchezdecastro
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Posted - 2006.08.29 19:32:00 -
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Well this is how the ishtar would win....
I wont go into the whole set up...but the highs are just t2 small blasters x 3 and 2 x small nos.
You send out 5 heavy webber drones.....then web him yourself with a fleeting (90%) call the drones back in and unleash heavies....
job done
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Apollo Balthar
Minmatar
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.08.30 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: sanchezdecastro
Well this is how the ishtar would win....
I wont go into the whole set up...but the highs are just t2 small blasters x 3 and 2 x small nos.
You send out 5 heavy webber drones.....then web him yourself with a fleeting (90%) call the drones back in and unleash heavies....
job done
Yeah, that's pretty much all that is needed to kill a vaga. Best case scenario would be the vaga notices b4 the Ishtar (or anyBS, and many BC) mwd into web range and he can run off, very little chance you will succeed with the split second yo have to react after lag though. people just don't wanna lose dronespace to webbing drones while they can add DPS. They rather cry nerf when things don't go their way.
I do admit that being able to cram lows full with WCS (if the vaga pilot is a total nerd) on a combat fitting needs looking into, but I think pretty much every PvP'er agrees to that. Most of the times 2x scrambler will keep that vaga in place though, that and an X5 web or better, plus NOS, will pretty much take care of that vaga (admitedly your screwed on shield tanking ships or ships with less then 4 meds)
This post represent my own, my Corporation's, my mother's and my father's, my mates' and the royal families'point of view.
Now shut up and be happy!
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.08.30 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
Currently its really hard to kill a vaga because of stabs.
Once the wcs nerf comes in i would think both a ishtar & cerebus could kill a vaga easly.
How little you understand if you think a Vaga being good has *anything* to do with stabs whatsoever :S
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.08.30 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: sanchezdecastro
You send out 5 heavy webber drones.....then web him yourself with a fleeting (90%) call the drones back in and unleash heavies....
Heavy web drones and Ishtars both being well renowned for their ability to get within range of Vagabonds and all?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.30 12:29:00 -
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Give us web stasis probes for Interdictors and we will call it even.
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TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.08.30 13:20:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Give us web stasis probes for Interdictors and we will call it even.
Agreed !
Variety of interdictor probes Would be nice. And depower the Warp one.
Ishtar would still WTFPWN the Vaga no matter what. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.30 13:24:00 -
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Why warp probes are overpowered? Did you get podded after ship destruction?
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Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.30 13:35:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Funny how that would be considered overpowered if it wasnt a gallente ship.
Yeh, and its funny how the pvp in eve consists of endless chain of pre-arranged 1v1's.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.30 14:01:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Funny how that would be considered overpowered if it wasnt a gallente ship.
Yeh, and its funny how the pvp in eve consists of endless chain of pre-arranged 1v1's.
So no point in having balanced ships because 1 vs 1 is rare? Well, thats one way to look at it...
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Caletha
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Posted - 2006.08.30 14:58:00 -
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I love it how people say a vagabond is 'overpowered' because it can run like hell. The fact that a lot of hacs can dish out more damage while tanking better too doesnt seem to bother them.
After flying one [vaga] for a while, and hearing all the 'horror stories' before getting one, I have to say I was really disapointed. Its damage is sub-par, its tanking even worse but boy can it run. Sure its a T1 cruiser killer (and anything smaller), but other then that? Oh it can kill NPC'ers (but who cant?).
I wont even try to attack most other hacs (or BS), simply takes me too long to kill them and a vaga isnt made for long engagements. It lacks the tanking ability for that. And I absolutely hate fighting BS with T2 drones.
Although I have to say its a lot of fun meeting a few inty's on a gate thinking 'they will tackle you' for their fleet only to smack your MWD towards a warp-target and have the tacklers follow you (and as such get their transversal speed very low) and kill them in a few seconds. Is this overpowered or just stupidity of the tacklers? I'm sure this will get me killed one day.
I'm pretty sure the design of the vagabond was made for it to be a hit-and-run ship, and it does that task extremely well. Its not invunerable. But how many inty's do you catch with the gang with which you cant catch the vaga?
A (good) vagabond pilot knows to stay out of web-range, it knows how to get out of a fight it cant win, and it knows what it can / cant handle, and like most inty pilots, a good vaga pilot knows how to get out of a jam.
Its ships abilities allow this, but the fact that you cant kill it with your 14-bs gang, does this mean its overpowered or just good at what its designed to do, hit-and-run ? Its not like it'll slowly kill every one of the BS there.
Oh and before you start, no I'm not one of those snake-implant vaga pilots or a 5-stab vaga pilot. I 'only' have 2 stabs and mostly because I couldnt find anything 'really' usefull for the last 2 low slots (3dmg mods) that added actual value to my ship. I'd also like to add that for some reason it just doesnt sound right flying a ship worth a small +400m, with a crap tank, without at least 1 stab. After all, its a lot of isk for 1 ship.
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