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Arroze
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Posted - 2006.08.26 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Arroze on 26/08/2006 00:06:06
You know... if they *did* put in a fix to push aside or away smaller objects you can forget about collecting jetcans or lootcans... I can just picture ramming a jetcan at 500m/s and watch it go flying in some random direction :) Would be fun once, maybe twice.
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Meuchelmorder
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Posted - 2006.08.26 00:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Skraelingz
until i can manually fly my ship and not have to rely on the horky double click or orbit or keep at range functions i shouldnt take damage for the games inability to fly the ship.
Agreed, the fact that one cannot have direct control over his/her navigation is a problem that needs to be fixed before ship collision implementation can occur.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:05:00 -
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I think it is clearly exploiting. A frigate with any sense can keep a freighter from warping without any risk to himself.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
A ship 1/10000 the size of another ship...
Is where you fail. There is only a scale factor of 1/10,000 between a T1 frigate and a Freighter. Given that and the the sizes and velocities in Eve, again, the realistic efect is both ships becoming balls of expanding fire.
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Infinity Ziona
Apostasia
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:33:00 -
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Ramming a ship to stop it aligning in combat is not an exploit. It shouldnt be possible though since if dont properly it is 100% effective, requires no training, requires no cap or module slots and can be done by an alt which you cant shoot at in most cases.
But currently due to the crappy physics its possible.
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Mitsumi Takahashi
Caldari
Naasirka
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mitsumi Takahashi on 26/08/2006 03:33:04
Originally by: Deja Thoris
So in closing, perhaps they could buff the physics so you would push him out of the way with your superior size.
People that say hit the petition button are idiots, remember their knee jerk reaction when you wait a month for re-imbursement of your mission ships!
Ah, I see what you mean. No, I wasn't questioning the pilot's actions, as I mentionned in my post. Nor did I consider it harrassment. Annoying, yes, but it's PvP like everything else.
However, I did find it somewhat ridiculous that my ship would get stopped by a far smaller one.
I would also vote for more realistic physics concerning size differences, inertia and such. Not sure about collision damage, though.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:53:00 -
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Once more, how is your ship being destroyed by the slightest impact useful when you cannot control ships that precisly? Sigh.
"Ramming a ship to stop it aligning in combat is not an exploit."
Correct. The op's situation is not combat.
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.26 04:34:00 -
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*waits for Kali's rumor-mention of ship ramming to fix this*
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.26 07:00:00 -
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As the frigate pilot did this without any risk of a counteraction for himself, it looks like an exploit. It doesn't matter that the pilot was asking for a ransom. He was using faulty game mechanics in this case, and, as I said, there's no valid tactics to counter his actions. I'd petition it and wait what the devs will say.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.08.26 07:09:00 -
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id like it that mass would mean somehting... a frig SHOULD never be able to bump a ship thats 10x times bigger and has 100x the mass of hes. or matter of fact... stop the ship while moveing infront of it... the frigs would just be pushed away.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.08.26 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 26/08/2006 07:11:49
EDIT: doublepost 
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Kasak Black
133rd Ghost Wing
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.26 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Urduar
Originally by: Kasak Black
Like if a captain of some massive cruise ship was held up by three guys in a rubber dingy demanding 5million. The captain would just suck them under and kill them. Then again probally not, but thats why I'm not a captain of a big ship...
Like this one?
Cruise Ship Attacked By Pirates 
That is the coolest news story ever, Piracy on the high seas. I would have loved to have been on that cruise liner when the pirates attacked. Would have been a right laugh, anyway, I go off topic once again
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Max Godsnottlingson
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Posted - 2006.08.26 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Your Name
Edited by: Your Name on 25/08/2006 23:52:12
Max, did you do this in .5+?
No, it happened in low sec as I came out of 0.0, and the people who used it, used it as a well versed tactic. The Intie kept repeatedly ramming me to stop any warp until a BS warped in to pop my hauler.
Personaly, this should be treated as an exploit simply because there is no risk to the ramming ship, and no 'legel' way in game terms to counter it
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Terraform
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.26 15:13:00 -
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hm... i never experienced it in low-sec. But a friend of mine (no names mentioned) was held back the same way as you are in a 0.8 system and he petitioned it, we later found out that the "offender" had been issued a pre-ban warning a week earlier for the same thing and he got banned for doing it the second time. Tough luck 
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.26 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
id like it that mass would mean somehting... a frig SHOULD never be able to bump a ship thats 10x times bigger and has 100x the mass of hes. or matter of fact... stop the ship while moveing infront of it... the frigs would just be pushed away.
No, both ships "would just" explode in balls of flame.
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Neil armstrong
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Posted - 2006.08.26 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kasak Black
If EVE was real, and I was the pilot of the freighter and some fool of a AF/Frigate pilot was blocking me, I would turn him into a bug splat on the front of my ship.
Like if a captain of some massive cruise ship was held up by three guys in a rubber dingy demanding 5million. The captain would just suck them under and kill them. Then again probally not, but thats why I'm not a captain of a big ship...
actually the cruise liner captain would just floor the throttle and outrun the bandits in a dingy how do i know?
because it happened not too long ago 
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Arkanor
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 26/08/2006 17:09:45
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Arkanor
A ship 1/10000 the size of another ship...
Is where you fail. There is only a scale factor of 1/10,000 between a T1 frigate and a Freighter. Given that and the the sizes and velocities in Eve, again, the realistic efect is both ships becoming balls of expanding fire.
Both ships are shielded, preventing the blast. Fail.
Originally by: Ghosthowl
WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face.
Originally by: HippoKing
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Ralus
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Riho
id like it that mass would mean somehting... a frig SHOULD never be able to bump a ship thats 10x times bigger and has 100x the mass of hes. or matter of fact... stop the ship while moveing infront of it... the frigs would just be pushed away.
No, both ships "would just" explode in balls of flame.
aaaahaaa but how much kinetic energy can the shields shift away from the two impacting craft? What if advanced devices increase the van der vaal forces in the amours molecular structure making them ultra hard and the ships would bounce off like snooker balls?
Ultimately itĘs a game, and as you'll have said in many threads applying real life analogies to a game doesn't work.
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Red Ochre
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Posted - 2006.08.26 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Red Ochre on 26/08/2006 18:22:12
more collision detection! more combat related collision detection, like it was in the old days with missiles, but have it affect all weapons, like in..............REAL LIFE!!!
have that small ship pay a hefty price as it collides at mach 15 with that battleship. cap ships colliding? omg, "sound collision!" and of course take the appropriate damage.
blobs would be a thing of the past, fleets would be spread out as they should be, can we say detonation in the middle of a blob, with all ships taking appropriate splash damage!!!
and what was wrong with friendlies taking splash damage? guess they need to rethink strat eh,? this would really make combat longer, breaking locks by flying behind a ship, running away from a ship and slamming into a larger ship while maneuvering, needs to be implemented and the old ways brought back and improved.
implement it, .......i command you.
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Lord Sid
Minmatar
Lordless
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Posted - 2006.08.26 20:10:00 -
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I think the real question in this thread is "Should Eve have more realistic physics?"
Like how an object in motion stays in motion. *Cough* AB MWD *Cough*
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.26 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: blkmajik
if you want it to be realistic, than make ramming cause damange and be considered an offensive action, punishable by concord agro ;)
hell yea, concord would perma camp jita 4-4 and kisogo station to pwn everyone undocking and bumping into that blob of ships in front of station 4tw :)
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Sarleena
Gallente
BIG
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.26 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cahorn Frebet
The ransomer wasn't saying he was going to attack the other player though, I have the impression he was just going to be a jerk and stop him from going anywhere by blocking the path. Why is that not harassment since you have no recourse against him but he's hampering your play? If the ransomer was going to attack, then yeah nothing wrong with that.
So how is this any different then sitting on the guy with a warp scrambler and 3-4 90% webs, refusing to let him go unless he pays you, but not threatening to blow him up? And he had several perfectly simple recourses, pay the guy, or go AFK with autopilot on, and outwait him. Just because he didn't want to take those options doesn't mean they didn't exist.
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