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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2782
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:24:20 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Harrison Tato wrote: Can you imagine if the Empire had used bubbles agains the Millenium Falcon? Very short movie.
If you read the Star Wars novels, the Empire had bubbles and used them quite often on main characters. Led to many entertaining moments. I played a starwars RTS that had interdictors, when one was on map you couldn't retreat from the battle, you couldn't warp any ships in on it (had to be at range) and it also had something that could be turned on and off, which caused missles to fly out of control. I honestly think warp bubbles could be catagorized. One that pulls you out of warp and causes a small timer (cooldown? stabilize warp core?) before you can warp again, then one that doesn't pull you out of warp but instead prevents warp off in a radius and cannot be placed on top of each other. Star Wars: Empire at War (Gold)
It's actually an amazing RTS game, at least the space portion. It's on Steam, and was recently part of a Star Wars Humble Bundle.
And yeah, both sides had gravity well technology.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6311
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:58:36 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Ravasta Helugo wrote:Allowing bubbles in Thera was a mistake.
Hell, imo, bubbles in general are a mistake. Risk>>>>>Reward Can you imagine if the Empire had used bubbles agains the Millenium Falcon? Very short movie.
Gravity wells.
It's not the bubbles, it's the gates. Nobody is complaining about their use in the battlefield. It's the bubbles all over and around the gates. If the Falcon had to go through gates and plus the gravity wells and plus numerous pilots killing everything that moved for no reason (or maybe for backstory, some esoteric religion called "MuhStats") , there would not have even been a movie. Heck all systems not under constant patrol by Star Destroyers would be empty save for a few pilots each system who would immediately dock up if they saw another pilot they didn't know. There would be no story at all. Just a lot of meh in space.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
934
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:06:06 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:.....no story at all. Just a lot of meh in space.
So CCP will be unveiling that as the new slogan for Eve at fanfest?
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ACESsiggy
University of Caille
30
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:00:05 -
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Seems interesting. However I'm sure those static entrances to this location will be camped unless they remove the gate on the other side allowing players to randomly populate within Therra. Also just like Jita there's usually one station that primarily deals with trading so adding 20+ extra stations within Therra wouldn't help unless the items are accessible at any station?
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
937
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Posted - 2015.02.26 00:42:05 -
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ACESsiggy wrote:Seems interesting. However I'm sure those static entrances to this location will be camped unless they remove the gate on the other side allowing players to randomly populate within Therra. Also just like Jita there's usually one station that primarily deals with trading so adding 20+ extra stations within Therra wouldn't help unless the items are accessible at any station?
Just checking on Eve Scout, it looks like there are currently 25 connections into Thera. The few days I was there, the only connections that were reliably camped were high sec entrances, especially if it was near a trade hub. Null sec entrances were maybe camped if it led to active space. Lowsec and j-space connections were generally ignored. It's been awhile since I've been there (need to go back), but I can't imagine that behavior has changed much.
Can't speak on the market. It was in it's infancy when I was there. I seem to remember there being things for sale in all four stations though.
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Aaril
Aideron Robotics
5
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Posted - 2015.02.26 01:17:45 -
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It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles. Currently it is too easy to lock down the system and people don't seem to be taking the risk.
I, for one, think that the concept of Thera is amazing. A lawless hub that is connected to places all over New Eden. I do not enjoy station games, though, and it seems many other people do not either. Therefore, at this time, I cannot justify basing out of Thera. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
979
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Posted - 2015.02.26 03:22:13 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Just checking on Eve Scout, it looks like there are currently 25 connections into Thera. The few days I was there, ... Why did you not feel compelled to make it your home?
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
122
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Posted - 2015.02.26 09:28:22 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Ravasta Helugo wrote:Allowing bubbles in Thera was a mistake.
Hell, imo, bubbles in general are a mistake. Risk>>>>>Reward Can you imagine if the Empire had used bubbles agains the Millenium Falcon? Very short movie. Gravity wells. It's not the bubbles, it's the gates. Nobody is complaining about their use in the battlefield. It's the bubbles all over and around the gates. If the Falcon had to go through gates and plus the gravity wells and plus numerous pilots killing everything that moved for no reason (or maybe for backstory, some esoteric religion called "MuhStats") , there would not have even been a movie. Heck all systems not under constant patrol by Star Destroyers would be empty save for a few pilots each system who would immediately dock up if they saw another pilot they didn't know. There would be no story at all. Just a lot of meh in space.
personally I think bubbles are rthe worst invention in EVE to date. Dictors, unsure. YOu have frigates for warp jamming, use them, and encourage variety in fleet.
Hey ho.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30608
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Posted - 2015.02.26 10:02:45 -
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Thera.
hahahha I love that joke.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3797
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Posted - 2015.02.26 14:18:58 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Thera.
hahahha I love that joke.
CCP didn't got it even as it was their joke...
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
63
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Posted - 2015.02.26 14:26:07 -
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I mean, Have I misread what it is?
Its a hub, but in a WH or Null system, and you go in if you want to be killed, right? |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
940
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Posted - 2015.02.26 16:38:06 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Just checking on Eve Scout, it looks like there are currently 25 connections into Thera. The few days I was there, ... Why did you not feel compelled to make it your home?
Actually I just joined a Thera based corp and will probably be in and out of there more frequently than anywhere else for the foreseeable future. I probably should start calling it home.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:14:49 -
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Thera: heaven for station gamers. Why would I want to live there?
They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting. |
Seifer Al'Masy
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
21
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:24:59 -
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Thera is good to "live" in. If you want to roam and explore all of Eve. Try docking as less as possible (I learned that the hard way, yesterday.....)
It's a huge system, find yourself a couple of safe spots, and you should be fine |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
940
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:28:03 -
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Seifer Al'Masy wrote:Thera is good to "live" in. If you want to roam and explore all of Eve. Try docking as less as possible (I learned that the hard way, yesterday.....) It's a huge system, find yourself a couple of safe spots, and you should be fine
Was going to ask how that happened
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Seifer Al'Masy
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
23
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:37:09 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Seifer Al'Masy wrote:Thera is good to "live" in. If you want to roam and explore all of Eve. Try docking as less as possible (I learned that the hard way, yesterday.....) It's a huge system, find yourself a couple of safe spots, and you should be fine Was going to ask how that happened
Turns out that Corp Instawarp BMs are compromised...... go figure... I warped to one of the BMs, and than, instead of warping to one of my SafeSpots right way, my Eve IQ levels weren't at it's best, and I stood there for 20secs....
... a Stileto lands 4km off me, and I though "Oh, look, a corp member warped to the same BM as me......Wait.., why is the Stileto showing on my overview....."
I got decloaked and I though "Oh well, one less Tengu...... "
So yeah, stay in space, my friend.... stay in space..... |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
941
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:42:21 -
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Note to self: don't hang around corp bookmarks too close or too long
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
774
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:38:46 -
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Aaril wrote:It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles.
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting.
I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you.
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Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:22:53 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Aaril wrote:It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles. Demerius Xenocratus wrote:They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting. I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you. This isn't about making the game safe. It's about making it safe enough that trade is even possible.
Right now, it isn't. Activity is limited to ganking people stupid enough to be curious. |
The Newface
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:35:14 -
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There is 0 reasons for me to move any character there. |
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
534
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:58:11 -
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I moved to Thera, but a Goonwaffle moved in next door to me and the property value shot down to 0.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.03.04 05:05:53 -
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Bed Bugg wrote:The viability of this as any sort of trade hub will not just be the ability to get into it. Probably the bigger concern will be the ability to undock. Undock mechanics will really be a big key. Poor mechanics will make it "Hotel California". You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave Anyone have any updates on New Rancer from the test server?
Thanks you all for the updates.
Sadly, several folks sort of predicted the way this would end up going. A lot of flash, and then a fizzle.
Perhaps they should put that old veterans home that they promised out there.... Seems apropos somehow.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6336
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Posted - 2015.03.04 06:04:18 -
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What did I say?
We have old sayings in Eve. We need a new one:
If it can be death camped, it will be.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Ciel993
Vision Partners End of Natural Lifetime
2
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Posted - 2015.03.04 06:19:20 -
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If CCP really wants Thera to be anywhere near populated (by populated I mean filled with ppl form all over new eden so trade prospers things go on, not inhabited by one or two big alliances who have the manpower to not being squashed once undock), I think they should put a DMZ or concord SOE equivalent or something 1000km around the station. Once inside this area, it would be like a 0.5 highsec system, but once out it would become lawless like 0.0 and where all the fun activities(anom, ices, etc) are located. This would allow more people to move in since the barrier of entrance got lowered.
I mean, Thera is supposed to be a unique big system, it should offers more than just 5min boring warp time enough to make an instant noodle and D-scan spam being less useful, right? How about a huge 0.0 without local, yet everyone can access and can find the thrill of living in a lawless zone? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1641
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Posted - 2015.03.04 07:18:07 -
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Thera will never be a trade hub, or any kind of hub other than a transit hub, once initial interest wears off. Eventually, it'll just be a wh system that people pass through to get somewhere else, after scouting both holes for bubbles, and stations will be largely abandoned.
Given the nature of Eve's player base (98% male, 100% adolescent/mentally adolescent), it'll never work. Most of the time, undock has drag bubbles in line of it, so you can't even use insta undock bms. If people can't get stuff in or out, it can't be a trade hub. |
Crest Zah Donartal
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.03.04 08:31:24 -
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Thera is just a free kill zone more. It is ridiculous to talk about "trade Hub".
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Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
68
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Posted - 2015.03.04 09:58:01 -
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Thera's market is surprisingly well stocked, to meet the local demand as well as serving as a quick pitstop for travellers.
There is definitely money to be made for traders in Thera. |
God's Apples
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
566
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Posted - 2015.03.04 11:03:51 -
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sabre906 wrote:Thera will never be a trade hub, or any kind of hub other than a transit hub, once initial interest wears off. Eventually, it'll just be a wh system that people pass through to get somewhere else, after scouting both holes for bubbles, and stations will be largely abandoned.
Given the nature of Eve's player base (98% male, 100% adolescent/mentally adolescent), it'll never work. Most of the time, undock has drag bubbles in line of it, so you can't even use insta undock bms. If people can't get stuff in or out, it can't be a trade hub.
You know you can't anchor bubbles in thera right...
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1008
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Posted - 2015.03.04 13:01:58 -
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So after about a week, Thera is certainly the most interesting place I've lived so far. And as much as everyone swears the market is barren, it's surprisingly easy to get what you need, either in system or through one of the connections. And yes, there's always a fight going somewhere, but it's by no means a guaranteed death trap.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
212
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Posted - 2015.03.04 14:19:07 -
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Ravasta Helugo wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Aaril wrote:It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles. Demerius Xenocratus wrote:They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting. I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you. This isn't about making the game safe. It's about making it safe enough that trade is even possible. Right now, it isn't. Activity is limited to ganking people stupid enough to be curious.
This is true, the only real trade for anything outside of highsec is 1. the people that have the system under lock down that do their own "trading" to corp/alliance members or 2. the few people that get lucky to dock/undock with out being instalocked/popped off the face of the galaxy. (I ran a courier job for a friend that pull stuff out of low sec in a viator and everytime I docked or undocked (I bm'd both warp in and instawarp out)I was instalocked by a tornado the second I undocked or docking permission was requested. the only thing that saved me from the shots fired was the permission being granted in or the fact I was already engaged in warp out)
CCP thinks that players will allow other players not part of their groups to come out and set up markets outside of empire, when the truth is everyone is to worried about getting a kill for their KB's rather than spreading the economy. If it was encouraged id be doing trading all the time, even incursion FCs have shot down traders that would usually trade under their high prices but selling just higher than jita.
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