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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
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Posted - 2015.03.06 00:39:31 -
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We're referencing Atlas Shrugged now?
Someone poke me when we start comparing the Keynes-Hayek comparisson to running sleeper sites in Thera.
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Greater Order Of Destruction
The Good Christian Society
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:22:15 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves). The post I quoted is a text book example of the kind of thinking behind that.
And I'm not running in 2016. 2020 maybe, if the rent is still too damn high.
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10096
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:39:47 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves).
so... You are saying that should be find yourself in space without your space suit you will happily do whatever you want to do. Because you 'don't need excuses'?
No, I would prevent myself from being n space in the 1st place were there any doubt about having a space suit. Only irresponsible people "find themselves" in dangerous places, responsible people think and plan before hand.
To put an arbitrary number to it, peoples problems tend to be 99% them. The other 1%is the entire rest of the universe. People that understand this succeed (master your self, have more control over your fate) win, people who find excuses, oh, im sorry, "reasons" why the can't move forward, fail. Simple as that.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10096
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:43:00 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
12015
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Posted - 2015.03.06 05:00:28 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them.
You're talking to people who genuinely believe that a Fortune 500 CEO only has his position because of some nebulous "privilege".
Don't bother.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
3725
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Posted - 2015.03.06 19:47:24 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them. You're talking to people who genuinely believe that a Fortune 500 CEO only has his position because of some nebulous "privilege". Don't bother. I'd argue the #1 trait to hold such a position is being ruthless.
Fortune 500 CEOs would fare well in EVE. 
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ashley Eoner
457
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:27:03 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them. You're talking to people who genuinely believe that a Fortune 500 CEO only has his position because of some nebulous "privilege". Don't bother.
Not all but there is no doubt the right family name makes it far FAR easier.
Donald Trumph for example. The only reason he isn't a broke loser living on the streets is because mommy and daddy had a lot of friends. I could list a good hundred or so names of similar CEOs...
Then there's the people like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs who climbed their own way up and then took different paths once they reached that level. Steve Wozniak just wasn't a big enough ******* to counter Jobs. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:56:56 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them. You're talking to people who genuinely believe that a Fortune 500 CEO only has his position because of some nebulous "privilege". Don't bother. Not all but there is no doubt the right family name makes it far FAR easier. Donald Trumph for example. The only reason he isn't a broke loser living on the streets is because mommy and daddy had a lot of friends. I could list a good hundred or so names of similar CEOs... Then there's the people like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs who climbed their own way up and then took different paths once they reached that level. Steve Wozniak just wasn't a big enough ******* to counter Jobs.
Well, Bill Gates climbed his own way...
...but not before first attending to the only High School in the US which had a private-owned computer. That allowed him a kind of access to computers which few professionals, and let alone freak teens, had at the time.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 05:33:12 -
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I think CCP should allow freighters through Thera's highsec and lowsec statics. An alternative (and my preference because it would help industry at the same time) would be to give the system a unique reprocessing buff.
I tried stocking the Thera market with T1, T2 and faction hulls of all sizes along with modules and consumables. I gave up. The turnover and profit was less than my lowsec stations, even with the same margin of approximately Jita + 10%.
Does anyone disagree that the Thera market has utterly failed to live up to Fozzie's stated goal that Thera should become a 'Jita without CONCORD'? Thera is a unique system that offers unique PvP challenges to older players. This concept could, and should, be extended to the market. Jita trading is profitable but, frankly, routine and boring. I want something more.
So why has the Thera market not boomed? I think it is because of a) the PvP style and, b) the fact that there are so many statics.
First, the PvP style is small gang as opposed to large fleet with rigid doctrines. These sort of players are typically more flexible and better able (and willing) to supply their own needs. This, combined with the fact that there are so many useful statics to highsec and lowsec, means that restocking is rarely a problem. A DST through a lowsec connection will bring in half a dozen cruiser hulls, a dozen destroyers or two dozen frigates, along with a big pile of consumables. One such run is adequate to supply a good small gang pilot for quite a while.
This means that pilots are easily able to avoid the elevated charges that are currently associated with the Thera market. So should the number of exits be reduced? Of course not. This would defeat the purpose of Thera. I would, instead, like to see the mass limits on the lowsec and highsec connections increased to allow freighters through.
I doubt this would greatly change the Thera meta. Perhaps it would have back when Thera was opened up but the novelty of the system has now worn off and the meta is now firmly established.
What alternatives to a DST through a lowsec entry exist now? First, I could use a jump freighter to get stock to nullsec and then through an E587. No thanks. The risk/reward isn't even close to worth it. Let's say I were to fill the jump freighter with cruiser hulls, averaging 50m each, and charge a 10% margin. That is ~165m profit per load. This might sound like a lot but, considering the risk involved in getting the freighter to null and then into a Thera station, it isn't remotely close to being attractive. Especially given the margins and throughput that can be attained with far less risk.
What is the second alternative? Manufacturing in Thera. This is entirely reasonable due to compression mechanics. It is possible to bring in enough compressed ore to build an awful lot of ships. However, even having the highest possible standing with The Sanctuary does not approach the best nullsec reprocessing rates. And this is in the face of a ship market which quite often operates below cost.
Therefore, my wish is for the highsec and lowsec exits to be enlarged to allow freighters to fit through. Alternatively, the stations in Thera could be given a uniquely high reprocessing rate to make the DST -> hull route attractive.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3421
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:53:32 -
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Contrary to the belief in certain places of Iceland, Somalia is not a industrial haven and Somalian pirates are not known for leading world industry charts.
Trade needs one thing: stability. A trader must be reasonably sure that he will be in time to gather/produce, transport and deliver the items to the market. Being killed along the way is an option only when the market is flourishing, which doesn't happens when too many pioneeers are being killed along the way.
If Thera had high sec status, it would be flourishing. It wouldn't be safe, but it wouldn't be like walking in the streets of Mogadiscio with a handful of 100 dollar bills in your hands and looking stranger.
Also would help that the wormholes lasted enough to allow gather/produce-transport-deliver without alarmclocking and while conducting an adult life -you know, the one which limits access to EVE.
A highsec Thera with connections lasting three days and allowing way to no less than a hundred freighters each way would be like a traveling trade caravan -with a chance to buy low and sell high just by waiting for the right wormhole link, and a modicum of protection to attract enough pioneers as to seed the market.
But oh, CCP knows better. If wasn't that players too know when to dismiss a piece of poor design... 
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Malcaz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:04:39 -
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I love how this thread about Thera evolved into a discussion about Ayn Rand and capitalism. |
Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:10:23 -
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I'm shocked people are even wondering why Thera isn't the blossoming market they thought it was meant to be. I'm also amaze danyone even tried to make it work.
Trade needs stability and (relative) safety. Shooting ships in a barrel with random hidden connections was never going to make a Jita. Ever.
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Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:12:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them.
true, but it can make the effort required vastly different from a particular starting point to finish.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
1912
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:17:54 -
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Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too.
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Malcaz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:26:21 -
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Maybe something can be done to make Thera safer for economic activity that doesn't make it into a highsec system. For example, if you initiate combat in Thera, the stations won't let you dock for a week. It still allows attacks, but because there are also no POSes, the logistics of pvp becomes harder, and it is harder to base yourself in a way that you can make a career out of pvp in Thera. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1338
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:56:54 -
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There's something wrong with the market in Thera?
Oh, and freighters can use the lowsec holes now.
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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:14:04 -
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Thera does not need any changes. It is what mentally unchallanges persons expected it to be from the outset.
To be fair to CCP they never claimed that it would be a major tradehub. The unfortunate Jita comparison was not referring to the market but to the traffic. I quote from the Devblog:
"We expect that Thera will appeal most strongly to players who find the concept of living at the center of an ever-shifting set of wormhole connections appealing. Residents of Thera will know that each day they will have a different menu of neighbors and access to different areas of known space.
We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE over sustained periods, and have plans in place to ensure that it receives appropriate hardware support."
Someone with beter data mining skills might tell you if this has happened. In the beginning it was all the rage. But I guess the traffic has died down now.
Just by reading the devblog I knew that it would not be the place for me. Apparantly others first had to venture there to come to the same conclusion.
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Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:17:08 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Thera does not need any changes. It is what mentally unchallanges persons expected it to be from the outset.
To be fair to CCP they never claimed that it would be a major tradehub. The unfortunate Jita comparison was not referring to the market but to the traffic. I quote from the Devblog:
"We expect that Thera will appeal most strongly to players who find the concept of living at the center of an ever-shifting set of wormhole connections appealing. Residents of Thera will know that each day they will have a different menu of neighbors and access to different areas of known space.
We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE over sustained periods, and have plans in place to ensure that it receives appropriate hardware support."
Someone with beter data mining skills might tell you if this has happened. In the beginning it was all the rage. But I guess the traffic has died down now.
Just by reading the devblog I knew that it would not be the place for me. Apparantly others first had to venture there to come to the same conclusion.
thing is ... Trade = Traffic. And if they're talking about resident traffic (rather than choke point 'passing' traffic) then by imferrence they're talking about trade causing that traffic, as nothing else is EVE will maintain a constant level of mixed traffic.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:18:30 -
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Zappity wrote:Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too.
Which ones? The ones that last two minutes or the ones made by the ships that make attractive targets? Both are very easy to work around.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:36:27 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Zappity wrote:Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too. Which ones? The ones that last two minutes or the ones made by the ships that make attractive targets? Both are very easy to work around.
All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?
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Zappity
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:38:58 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:There's something wrong with the market in Thera?
Oh, and freighters can use the lowsec holes now.
Yeah, the market is rubbish.
I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:07:42 -
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Zappity wrote:All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?
What little risk is in the system would be greatly reduced without them. Besides, it is still a wormhole. It needs SOME bubbles  (although not allowing anchorable bubbles is nice, I must admit)
Zappity wrote:Yeah, the market is rubbish.
I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.
I've found the market to be slow, but haven't had any problems buying or selling. Constantly being close to different trade hubs keeps the market interesting. The lowsec holes allowing freighters is new with Scylla. I could agree with expanding it to highsec holes as well. Fingers crossed. I'll stick to my Prowler though.
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Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:00:55 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Zappity wrote:All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously? What little risk is in the system would be greatly reduced without them. Besides, it is still a wormhole. It needs SOME bubbles (although not allowing anchorable bubbles is nice, I must admit) Zappity wrote:Yeah, the market is rubbish.
I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well. I've found the market to be slow, but haven't had any problems buying or selling. Constantly being close to different trade hubs keeps the market interesting. The lowsec holes allowing freighters is new with Scylla. I could agree with expanding it to highsec holes as well. Fingers crossed. I'll stick to my Prowler though.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.27 20:02:40 -
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Leannor wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Zappity wrote:All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously? What little risk is in the system would be greatly reduced without them. Besides, it is still a wormhole. It needs SOME bubbles (although not allowing anchorable bubbles is nice, I must admit) Zappity wrote:Yeah, the market is rubbish.
I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well. I've found the market to be slow, but haven't had any problems buying or selling. Constantly being close to different trade hubs keeps the market interesting. The lowsec holes allowing freighters is new with Scylla. I could agree with expanding it to highsec holes as well. Fingers crossed. I'll stick to my Prowler though. case rested ...
"Slow" as in "it takes 3 weeks to sell a dozen T2 modules"...
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:14:08 -
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Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
76
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:31:03 -
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I buy as much in Thera as I did in Kamela... (not much) But I still probably spend more time in Thera than _any_ other system out there. There are more groups in Thera living than most other 0.0 systems... I suspect it has around 40-60 people at any time who are based there, weather they are in the system itself is not really relevant to the uses of the system. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:32:01 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell.
'high trade volume' and 'takes ages to sell' are pretty much mutually exclusive. Do you mean you have a lot of items up for sale?
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1348
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:51:16 -
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Zappity wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell. 'high trade volume' and 'takes ages to sell' are pretty much mutually exclusive. Do you mean you have a lot of items up for sale?
My mistake. Small number of things for sale.
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:27:05 -
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Thera was ill-conceived unless it's only purpose was to give "leet" pvpers more opportunity, or "GUD FIGHTS" aka kills on unsuspecting noob carebears in Retrievers and Ventures in C2 WHs.
In that case, well done *clap clap clap*, well done indeed...
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:53:02 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thera was ill-conceived unless it's only purpose was to give "leet" pvpers more opportunity, or "GUD FIGHTS" aka kills on unsuspecting noob carebears in Retrievers and Ventures in C2 WHs. In that case, well done *clap clap clap*, well done indeed... Protip, if ur so leet and need "GUD FIGHTS" take a little swim into lowsec... or are you scared?
From what I understand, the pvp'ers like the lowsec holes for small gang roams. Fights in the nullsec holes are usually larger affairs, and kills in the wormholes are quick strikes against pve targets with larger fights being extremely rare. And as an explorer, the lowsec holes are where I prefer to roam as I feel more comfortable there than nullsec (I feel most comfortable in other wormholes, of course).
I'm just one little space pacifist though
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