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Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.30 01:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 29/09/2006 22:04:09 Originally by: Randay Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting: That is the worst case scenario... don't tempt tux please. Some (most) people armor tank their Minmatar Capital Ships. Remember this bonus will apply to the Hel too. WRONG! /lexluther This is the best case scenario. All minmatar ships with a tanking bonus have been shield boost amount bonuses! The chances of it getting an armor tank bonus is exactly zero, zilch, and nada! Those minmatar ships are also geared towards shield tanking by design. Of course I am not saying that armor tanking a minmatar capital is useless, just that shield tanking is what the devs have in mind. look guy... no where did I say I wanted a tanking bonus. I said that shield bonus would suck... for the same reasons a 7.5% shield efficiency boost on a 6 slot Maelstrom will suck. Not to mention MINMATAR CAPITAL SHIPS ARMOR TANK EVEN WITH THE ONE WITH 5 LOW SLOTS. Its just more efficient If all things stay the same bonus wise on the other carriers... the minmatar need a fighter combat bonus not a ship bonus to stay inline with the gallente carrier. It just has to be a bonus that has a visable diffence. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 02:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 29/09/2006 22:04:09 Originally by: Randay Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting: That is the worst case scenario... don't tempt tux please. Some (most) people armor tank their Minmatar Capital Ships. Remember this bonus will apply to the Hel too. WRONG! /lexluther This is the best case scenario. All minmatar ships with a tanking bonus have been shield boost amount bonuses! The chances of it getting an armor tank bonus is exactly zero, zilch, and nada! Those minmatar ships are also geared towards shield tanking by design. Of course I am not saying that armor tanking a minmatar capital is useless, just that shield tanking is what the devs have in mind. STABS YOU IN THE FACE LOTS AND LOTS NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT A SHIELD BOOST BONUSES ON A CARRIER!!!!!! ffs give use a tracking bounse!!!!
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.30 03:16:00 - [63] Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.30 03:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Randay Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream. fighter tracking/level (arguable would become most versatile carrier) fighter dmg bonus (obvious - especially if they all just get racial ones in the end) fighter rof bonus make the 'gimp' bonus (support role bonus) become a ROLE bonus on the ship, and each race carrier get it standard support role bonus for free! __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 03:40:00 - [65] Originally by: Randay Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream. are you on drugs or sumthing? what the **** makes you think that the minmatar carrier should have a boost bonus? "Essentially a pared-down version of its big brother the Hel, the Nidhoggur nonetheless displays the same austerity of vision evident in its sibling. Quite purposefully created for nothing less than all-out warfare, and quite comfortable with that fact, the Nidhoggur will no doubt find itself a mainstay on many a battlefield. " all out warfair + the minmatr combat style points to a combat bonus, not a bloody tanking bonus
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.30 03:56:00 - [66] Edited by: Randay on 30/09/2006 03:59:51 Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Randay Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream. are you on drugs or sumthing? what the ** makes you think that the minmatar carrier should have a boost bonus? "Essentially a pared-down version of its big brother the Hel, the Nidhoggur nonetheless displays the same austerity of vision evident in its sibling. Quite purposefully created for nothing less than all-out warfare, and quite comfortable with that fact, the Nidhoggur will no doubt find itself a mainstay on many a battlefield. " all out warfair + the minmatr combat style points to a combat bonus, not a bloody tanking bonus Yup I must be on some awesome drugs because the other 2 carriers have tanking boni, the only tanking bonus found on minmatar ships is the 7.5% shield bonus, and ship descriptions dont mean jack shhhhh!!! edit: thanatos description " Sensing the need for a more moderately-priced version of the Nyx, Federation Navy authorities commissioned the design of the Thanatos. Designed to act primarily as a fighter carrier for small- to mid-scale engagements, its significant defensive capabilities and specially-fitted fighter bays make it ideal for its intended purpose. " Can I have a hit off your pipe man? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by:** Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Domalais Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.30 04:33:00 - [67] Originally by: Randay Yup I must be on some awesome drugs because the other 2 carriers have tanking boni, the only tanking bonus found on minmatar ships is the 7.5% shield bonus, and ship descriptions dont mean jack shhhhh!!! Amarr and Caldari carriers rightly have tanking bonuses because their races focus more on tank than offensive firepower. Gal carrier gets the drone damage bonus because they're the drone specialists. Minmatar should get something fitting with their race. Speed, ROF, and tracking all come to mind. BTW: you quoted the description of the 1 carrier that doesn't have a tanking bonus.
Trader Phil	Posted - 2006.09.30 05:01:00 - [68] How about give every carrier a dmg bonus to fighters/drones, minmatar a shield boost bonus and gallente an armor rep bonus.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.30 05:16:00 - [69] Edited by: Rehmes on 30/09/2006 05:16:48 I know people will hate me for suggesting this but how about these changes were dont to all carriers. Amarr's new bonus: increase armor of fighters Caldari's new bonus: increase shield of fighters Gallente's new bonus: increase figher dmg (no durability) Minmatar"s new bonus: increase fighter speed That way all of the bonuses go into the fighters and each ship gives the fighters a disticnt advantage. At the same time you can make these bonuses affect gang ships drones/fighters. For example a domi ganged w a Thanatos would get an extra dmg bonus. If 2 carriers r ganged they affect the other's bonuses too, making things more interesting. The way i see it is that carriers r meant to have the gang bonuses which they do, and also provide aid to the fighetrs, i dont think its fair only the gallente get the fighter bonus. This way each race can give something different into the mix.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.30 07:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Rehmes Edited by: Rehmes on 30/09/2006 05:16:48 I know people will hate me for suggesting this but how about these changes were dont to all carriers. Amarr's new bonus: increase armor of fighters Caldari's new bonus: increase shield of fighters Gallente's new bonus: increase figher dmg (no durability) Minmatar"s new bonus: increase fighter speed That way all of the bonuses go into the fighters and each ship gives the fighters a disticnt advantage. At the same time you can make these bonuses affect gang ships drones/fighters. For example a domi ganged w a Thanatos would get an extra dmg bonus. If 2 carriers r ganged they affect the other's bonuses too, making things more interesting. The way i see it is that carriers r meant to have the gang bonuses which they do, and also provide aid to the fighetrs, i dont think its fair only the gallente get the fighter bonus. This way each race can give something different into the mix. thats brilliant tbh. great idea! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 07:14:00 - [71] giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!! ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!!
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.30 07:30:00 - [72] Originally by: Aloysius Knight giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!! ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!! You know its quite easy to tell which of us are genuinely trying to come up with ideas to fix the problem and which of us are just mad because our ship isn't the best one out of the 4. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 07:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Aloysius Knight giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!! ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!! You know its quite easy to tell which of us are genuinely trying to come up with ideas to fix the problem and which of us are just mad because our ship isn't the best one out of the 4. and its easy to tell which of us hasn't got a clue about fighters, making fighters faster will make them orbit fast and so will miss more, tracking bonus is sooooo much better and ive alrealy done a thread like this, got to like 20 pages
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.30 08:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Edited by: Aloysius Knight on 30/09/2006 07:58:55 Originally by: Randay Originally by: Aloysius Knight giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!! ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!! You know its quite easy to tell which of us are genuinely trying to come up with ideas to fix the problem and which of us are just mad because our ship isn't the best one out of the 4. and its easy to tell which of us hasn't got a clue about fighters, making fighters faster will make them orbit fast and so will miss more, tracking bonus is sooooo much better and ive alrealy done a thread like this, got to like 11 pages were is the love There is an orbit speed and then there is a regular and mwd speed. fighters shouldn't be able to hit frigs, or ships smaller then what they are supposed to hit, it would not balance anything. Sorry but you are still wrong, and you are obviously not looking at the problem objectively, because all you can do is shoot down every single idea except the one that you want. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.09.30 09:47:00 - [75] Make it that when you reach level 5 carrier you can jump true gates , take that you carrier freaks (caldari,galente and stinky amar).
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.30 09:55:00 - [76] Originally by: Aloysius Knight giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!! ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!! MWD speed, not orbit speed. Duh! There are some problems with Fighters that a Carrier pilot faces: 1. They are so expensive that they are viable targets even if you don't get killmails. 2. They are so slow on approach that they do not quite make it in time all the time. 3. Honestly, they don't do THAT great damage. With this in mind, the proposal to the boosts to fighters on all races ships instead of boosting the Carrier itself is a good one. I'd give them a 10% hit points boost on the Caldari and Amarr carriers, though, just for the record. However, there still needs to be an insentive to get the damned oversized pigs into combat as well. For this reason they all also need a bonus to survivability. - Three years old
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:48:00 - [77] this thread should have enough content for tuxford. to say something atleast.
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:13:00 - [78] Quote: 3. Honestly, they don't do THAT great damage. You might want to tell that to my Eris that was cruising at 3.7km/s Quote: (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Einherji belonging to XXX strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 991.1 damage. Having them respond like drones hurt my lil ship Oh well I have another 10 IDs in the hangar _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Chode Rizoum this thread should have enough content for tuxford. to say something atleast. I really like the idea of giving racial fighter damage bonuses! Then on top of that if they want to give each carrier a regular racial bonus, that would be great too. Especially if its a defensive one like the amarr and caldari already have! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Serapis Aote TBC	Posted - 2006.10.05 20:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55 i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus Target painter bonus
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:19:00 - [81] Originally by: Serapis Aote Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55 i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus Target painter bonus now now :) take one of the other good suggestions in the thread.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:23:00 - [82] Give it +5% max. velocity to gang members per level. Now that would make it popular. ;-)
Serapis Aote TBC	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:42:00 - [83] Originally by: Chode Rizoum Originally by: Serapis Aote Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55 i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus Target painter bonus now now :) take one of the other good suggestions in the thread. As a mimatar pilot, and a relatively new one, I personally like the tracking bonus for fighters. To be truthful i think the tracking on projectiles in general could use a bit of love. I love the whole idea of move quick and strike hard, but the faster i move the worse my weapons do (kinda BS).
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:37:00 - [84] Yeah, tracking bonus sounds nice, it would mean pwning cruisers faster and eventually worrying frigs/inties. The bonus should be balanced to avoid nid' fighters wtfpwning everything small around them. Mobility bonuses sound nice ... until you think about them a bit: jumprange makes sense as long as you move alone, but if you fly with other carriers, or worse, dread, it becomes pointless. Fuel consumption would be better than the current bonus, but not that much! Gang bonuses make no sense, their already have the ability to mount a gang module, we don't need more. fighter speed ... if only they keep the same orbit speed, but this would still be a minor bonus. ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Mr Peanut The New Empire R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.05 23:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 28/08/2006 14:51:18 Originally by: Succoros Ithildin's idea of reduced cap use for capital reps/shield boosters was pretty nice tbh. ye that could melt into the same theme as the others getting something tanking related. exept the thanatos FFS can we please use this. Most of the Nidhoggur bonus suggestions that I've read are either useless or overpowered. (IMO, the OP's proposal fits into the "overpowered" category.)
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.06 00:11:00 - [86] Originally by: Serapis Aote Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55 i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus Target painter bonus Target painter duration bonus!
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 01:36:00 - [87] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Serapis Aote Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55 i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus Target painter bonus Target painter duration bonus! Target painter powergrid fitting bonus! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:24:00 - [88] :) no no no target painter bonus of any kind. lats get his back on track. tuxford can you please respons ?
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Chode Rizoum :) no no no target painter bonus of any kind. lats get his back on track. tuxford can you please respons ? You don't have enough mana to summon Tuxford! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Chode Rizoum :) no no no target painter bonus of any kind. lats get his back on track. tuxford can you please respons ? I think that tuxfurd once said that they were trying to fix carriers or were in the "to do" things .

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