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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:06:00 -
[1]
ok gonner make it short. we all know this bonus sucks.
5% reduction in Shield and Armor transfer duration per
level
to a reduction in ice consumption amount for jump drive.
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
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Succoros
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:18:00 -
[2]
Ithildin's idea of reduced cap use for capital reps/shield boosters was pretty nice tbh.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:44:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Succoros
Ithildin's idea of reduced cap use for capital reps/shield boosters was pretty nice tbh.
ye that whould melt into the theme of the others getting something tanking related. exept the thanatos
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:30:00 -
[4]
daily bump.. save the minamater carrier
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jernej
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:34:00 -
[5]
maybe 20% Smart Bomb range per level 
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Zenemis
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:38:00 -
[6]
-20% to MWD Capacitor Penalty per level 
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:41:00 -
[7]
Target painting & web bonus :p
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:47:00 -
[8]
You may have missed it a while back, but Tuxford stated that the devs were aware of an inbalance in Carriers in general (it's obvious that the Thanatos and Nyx are overpowered, especially with the introduction of Drone Control Units). He made a statement to the tune of "I like the Thanatos bonuses applying to fighters and perhaps we'll make other carriers more similar" and "I'd like to see Carriers more of a front line ship"
I've searched all over for the thread but I can't find it. 
Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:50:00 -
[9]
I think it should have a bonus to Fighter Tracking.
Its SOOOOO Lame having 2 redundant bonuses. I can accept 1 because all carriers have it, but to grace it with a 2nd over a useful bonus is a joke. |
TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.09.01 14:54:00 -
[10]
Surely there can't be that fewer nid pilots outthere without an opinion ! Come on Givethis ship some love ! |
Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.01 16:13:00 -
[11]
As its a matari ship I love it warts and all. But I'd prefer it to have a remote rep cap reduction bonus. It doesnt have the cap to really benefit from faster rep cycles.
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Rezeik Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.09.02 09:58:00 -
[12]
As an aspiring carrier pilot (probably Minmatar), I have a vested interest in what direction they take. The bonuses currently implemented are all over the place, from defensive, to offensive, to subpar support. Except for the Gallente ships, the bonuses just seem to be tacked on without a clear vision of what they're supposed to accomplish.
Who knows what they have in the pipeline to make carriers more frontline battleworthy, but as long as they can delegate fighters, there isn't much incentive to not park it at a safe spot.
Perhaps each of the baseline carriers should get two bonuses: offensive, defensive, support, or utility. Race appropriate, of course. And at least make them useful.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:45:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
ok gonner make it short. we all know this bonus sucks.
5% reduction in Shield and Armor transfer duration per
level
to a reduction in ice consumption amount for jump drive.
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
Agreed ,our carrier is a POS ,and i donŠt mean a player owned station.
I personally think the devs were drunk when they gave them that bonus.
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:48:00 -
[14]
/signed
They must have been very, very drunk... or they have a random bonus generator...
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Patch86
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:54:00 -
[15]
I actually don't hate it THAT much. Carriers often end up sat at a SS repairing fleet members mid-battle who have had to retreat. Being faster at that never hurts.
If we want people to stop parking their Carriers at SS, though, and actually FIGHT with the damned things, then yes it sucks.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.02 19:10:00 -
[16]
It needs love.....it doesnt even come close to the other shipsin its class.....
Give it the ability to shoot a space harpoon which will electricute the pilot/crew thus rendering the enemy ship useless......
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.09.03 10:35:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Rehmes
It needs love.....it doesnt even come close to the other shipsin its class.....
Give it the ability to shoot a space harpoon which will electricute the pilot/crew thus rendering the enemy ship useless......
lol
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Ginaz
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 12:02:00 -
[18]
TARGET PAINTER BONUS !!!!
Video: 'Behind enemy lines'
Queen of the Amazones |
Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:42:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Ginaz
TARGET PAINTER BONUS !!!!
Seconded, it isn't crap enough for Minmatar Yet...
That was sarcastic BTW.
My Guides |
Blind Man
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:44:00 -
[20]
GIVE IT A SHIELD BOOST BONUS!!!!
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Xanfi
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Posted - 2006.09.04 02:47:00 -
[21]
A bonus that turns all exotix dancers in it's cargo hold into strippers!
*would fly nothing but the Nid with that bonus*
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Caillech
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:12:00 -
[22]
Give it a fighter damage bonus. 2 carriers with offensive bonus, 2 with resists. Problem solved. Minmatar is supposed to specialize in damage anyway, so big-bore fighter guns etc. etc. etc.
That or give them all a racial damage bonus less than what the Gal ships get now. Less variation, but then we can put this one aside and b**ch about something else.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:02:00 -
[23]
Hmm, drone RoF and speed bonus?
Just, randomly stabbing into the wind.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:07:00 -
[24]
+1 m/s per level.
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Idara
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:18:00 -
[25]
+100% speed per level? 
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KilROCK
Minmatar
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.04 04:42:00 -
[26]
10% fixed bugs of drones/fighter per level.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:15:00 -
[27]
A 10% chance of self-destructing itself?
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Vathar
Elegance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:05:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Vathar on 04/09/2006 10:05:22
+10%/lvl chance for fighters MWDING back to you!
EDIT : crap, since they have 0% chance of doing it now, that would be even worse!
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.04 12:05:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Caillech
Give it a fighter damage bonus. 2 carriers with offensive bonus, 2 with resists. Problem solved. Minmatar is supposed to specialize in damage anyway, so big-bore fighter guns etc. etc. etc.
That or give them all a racial damage bonus less than what the Gal ships get now. Less variation, but then we can put this one aside and b**ch about something else.
ye give us fighter dmg!
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.09.04 12:28:00 -
[30]
I feel for this carrier cause has it stands now they will be next typhoon,meaning 3 years to fix and then they will give him some love when nobody flys them and nobody knows wtf is that.
Maybe if everybody didn't go to other carriers we could get lucky, just look at this whine thread ,there is like 4 people inside here ,and we must be the only ones that ride one ,****** hilarious .
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:52:00 -
[31]
alittle bump..
to remind the devs to fix the hog
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Wintermoon
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.09.11 19:39:00 -
[32]
Yes, please fix before my alt trains for it. :)
kthxbye
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Kateryne
Steel Frontier
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:27:00 -
[33]
Personally the nidhoggur is a sexy piece of ****, the fact that with relatively middle of the roads skills, it can rep 10k of shields every 8.5 seconds makes me laugh at the idea of my pos coming under attack... I would rather see all carriers given a damage bonus, and then each keeping their racial bonus (gallente would need a new racial bonus, as i disagree with people who say that cause gallente get drone damage bonuses, they should have uber fighters too - caldari should  )
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.12 00:28:00 -
[34]
Give it a doomsday device fitting bonus!
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:20:00 -
[35]
From what I've seen, they need a carrier that can make those Fighters much faster, and orbit at longer range.
What we really need is a difference in fighters. We need a lighter, faster class fighters. We need some sentry fighters really badly too.
We also need some fighter with kick-ass ew capability like turret disrupt drone able to disrupt up to 2 enemies with full strength disruption, or a fighter that drops mini-warp fields or scrambles up to 7.5km, and possibly a fighter that drops webber bubbles.
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Drevonion
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:31:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kateryne
Personally the nidhoggur is a sexy piece of ****, the fact that with relatively middle of the roads skills, it can rep 10k of shields every 8.5 seconds makes me laugh at the idea of my pos coming under attack... I would rather see all carriers given a damage bonus, and then each keeping their racial bonus (gallente would need a new racial bonus, as i disagree with people who say that cause gallente get drone damage bonuses, they should have uber fighters too - caldari should )
Damn didnt think of this.... A well hardened pos with 4-6 nids in it would 1) heal the shield quite nicely, and would be able to assault the dreads with some nice damage, dont you think?
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dreamforce
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.12 01:47:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Drevonion
Originally by: Kateryne
Personally the nidhoggur is a sexy piece of ****, the fact that with relatively middle of the roads skills, it can rep 10k of shields every 8.5 seconds makes me laugh at the idea of my pos coming under attack... I would rather see all carriers given a damage bonus, and then each keeping their racial bonus (gallente would need a new racial bonus, as i disagree with people who say that cause gallente get drone damage bonuses, they should have uber fighters too - caldari should )
Damn didnt think of this.... A well hardened pos with 4-6 nids in it would 1) heal the shield quite nicely, and would be able to assault the dreads with some nice damage, dont you think?
Not really, since a few Ospreys will repair a similar amount to one Nid at a fraction of the cost of the capital shield transfer mod alone. A nid sitting outside a POS bubble repping its shields during a POS siege would become a very inviting target for the assaulting dreads.
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.12 04:29:00 -
[38]
I still donÆt get why they didnÆt just give racial fighter bonus from startà and come up with better bonuses later onà instead of this so called balanceà btw faster fighters is badà until they get fixed and can hit small things LOL I say give racial bonuses to fighters but give them maybe 2-3 bonuses, 2ndary and third bonus something of not relating to dmg but to the other options of a shipà im still waiting until they unnerf capital ships esp carriers lol
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eve warrior
Minmatar
Serial Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.12 04:47:00 -
[39]
All i want is the dam fighters to be fixed. I lauched afew fighers at a bs that was 100km from me, my fighters rushed up there to shoot the bs but when i asked them to return they came back to me at a whooping 230m/s. Anyone else have this problme?
Reminds me of when the drones use to be buggered up. Only diference is these cost 20mill a pop so i had to wait for the dam things to return 
Eve warrior
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2006.09.12 08:20:00 -
[40]
If you are not flying a Gellente Carrier, you are only making yourself weaker. Considering all the time and money you put into making and training for one - to have it be the worst in its class is very gg. . .unless you RP of course.
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TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.09.12 08:29:00 -
[41]
Originally by: eve warrior
All i want is the dam fighters to be fixed. I lauched afew fighers at a bs that was 100km from me, my fighters rushed up there to shoot the bs but when i asked them to return they came back to me at a whooping 230m/s. Anyone else have this problme?
Reminds me of when the drones use to be buggered up. Only diference is these cost 20mill a pop so i had to wait for the dam things to return
Eve warrior
I don't give a hoot about the fighters. its the ship thats the problem, Please move to a fighter thread. This is about the Nidhoggur.
It needs a PvP related bonus. Remote repping/boosting means that the ships gotta be in the thick of combat to be of any use. And who the hell would want to PvP in the ONLY carrier that can't defend itself.
Some dude ingame Said to me that Siddy Pwns Dreadnoughts in his Nidhoggur, Wow! Give him Any of the other 3 and watch him do it faster or with less hp loss.
One person's hit the nail on the head. Don't Let it be 3 years like the typhoon before they sort it.
Fix it in Kali. and give it an Offense or Defensive PvP/PvE bonus.
DITCH the Second remote hospital bonus. its unbefitting of the Minmatar |
Boonaki
Caldari
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.09.12 08:44:00 -
[42]
I'd rather see it get a bonus to fighter tracking. A 25% bonus to fighter tracking, I'd train up to use one.
Fear the Ibis of doom!
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Lord Violent
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Posted - 2006.09.12 09:20:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Boonaki
I'd rather see it get a bonus to fighter tracking. A 25% bonus to fighter tracking, I'd train up to use one.
Beat me to it :(
Give it a tracking bonus to fighters
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:15:00 -
[44]
we havent forgot the hog ^^
can we get a officiel word tuxford ?
if it will be looked at before kali hits ?
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Lefevre
Caldari
Shinra
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:33:00 -
[45]
A tracking bonus would certainly be an interesting change and make it a far more useful carrier.
Would be cool if someone with great math abilities played around with the numbers and figured out what actual effect it would have on combat.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:38:00 -
[46]
i agree with fighter bonuses... some time ago there where a similar discussion about carriers and some very nice proposal where made.
the most interesting ones where imo ones that granted racial bonuses to all the fighters or a more general bonus on race fighters.
... in the end if the "role/peculiarity" of carriers is to use fighters they should be equal in doing that or we end in a scenraio with a carrier using triplanes and one using F22
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Eve Hel
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:41:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Blind Man
GIVE IT A SHIELD BOOST BONUS!!!!
this would be the logical one change, give it the same boost to shield boosting, like you'r command ships have  |
Sir Perigrin
Confederate Sons Of Liberty
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Posted - 2006.09.29 01:28:00 -
[48]
Myself i am another aspireing future nidhouger/Naglafar piolot. so as i am putting in the time and isk into the skills now, i too have an interest in fixing this, however, u guys would have a LOT more luck in the game dev forum, where theres a 4 page thread growing on the caldari chimera class carrier, which haveing flown one over a t a freinds house on his account, i can tell u is even more screwed up. its not just a misplaced bounus, its the size of an armageddon, with the centerpoint 10 meters from the thrusters, and sheilds sticking out a mile behind it. that thread is why im training for a nidhouger instead :) . so it could be worse, but if we want to get this fix'd, lets move to a nice new shiny rant thread in the game dev forum. the chimera group even got an ISD member post in there!!!
http://www.csol.us.pn |
Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.29 02:03:00 -
[49]
Fix the hog! I'm only a month away, I don't care if it sucks I'm still going to fly it. But please make it cool. A jump range bonus would pwn.
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NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:20:00 -
[50]
lol so i guess some of us will have to train shield and armor for the capitals O_o again this will turn out like the tempest were you had to train tur and missiles if you wanted to be the most effective at it...
I would like to get same bonus to shield and armor since you can do either.. then why would you give the bonus only to say shields O_o
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TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.09.29 09:24:00 -
[51]
Give it a Split bonus.
2.5% to shield boost. And
2.5% to armour rep.
Would call for an unprecedented Dual Tank setup.
I think the Best bonus would be a bonus to fighter tracking. Jump range doesn't help it vs another carrier. The other races bonuses are proportional to each other. (Damage, Amrour resist Sheild resist) Bring the Nid inline with the others. |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.29 09:44:00 -
[52]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Give it a Split bonus.
2.5% to shield boost. And
2.5% to armour rep.
Would call for an unprecedented Dual Tank setup.
I think the Best bonus would be a bonus to fighter tracking. Jump range doesn't help it vs another carrier. The other races bonuses are proportional to each other. (Damage, Amrour resist Sheild resist) Bring the Nid inline with the others.
Split bonuses do not work. Double-tanks run out of cap and have too low resistances to complement their tanking. Essentially you are taking the worst of two worlds with none of the benefits when trying to do two things at once.
Much better to make it DIFFERENT from the other carriers. For example, a cap efficiency bonus.
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mr passie
Minmatar
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.29 10:12:00 -
[53]
To be honest the range bonus isn't too bad. i do believe the bonus should apply to the minmatar philosophy fast and hard. so it should either be hitting hard (which is done by the nyx already) or fast.
so hit and run throughout the galaxy, yarr
now start flaming me for a n00b since I don't fly one yet and don't know what I'm talking about 
Off course it would also become an instant favorite amongst industrialists for hauling.
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Darmed Khan
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.29 10:20:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
ok gonner make it short. we all know this bonus sucks.
5% reduction in Shield and Armor transfer duration per
level
to a reduction in ice consumption amount for jump drive.
So we get free ice every time we jump? Excellent!
Alternatively, I'd be happy with swapping the duration bonus with 5% increased shield/armour transfer amount. That way you get (almost) the same hp/sec bonus, but it won't cripple your cap any more than any other carrier.
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2006.09.29 11:01:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Darmed Khan
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
ok gonner make it short. we all know this bonus sucks.
5% reduction in Shield and Armor transfer duration per
level
to a reduction in ice consumption amount for jump drive.
So we get free ice every time we jump? Excellent!
Alternatively, I'd be happy with swapping the duration bonus with 5% increased shield/armour transfer amount. That way you get (almost) the same hp/sec bonus, but it won't cripple your cap any more than any other carrier.
a bonus to increase shield/armor transfer amount would be better then duration reduction. Make it 6% and it is even closer to being the same increase(7.5% would be even nicer of course, and be slightly better then the duration reduction bonus.)
Amount bonus or add a second bonus to reduce cap by same amount as duration.
Either option would be fine by me.
IF completely replacing it with a new bonus, I can't think of any bonus that would be "unique" and not just a carbon copy of another carrier.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.29 16:50:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Darmed Khan
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
ok gonner make it short. we all know this bonus sucks.
5% reduction in Shield and Armor transfer duration per
level
to a reduction in ice consumption amount for jump drive.
So we get free ice every time we jump? Excellent!
Alternatively, I'd be happy with swapping the duration bonus with 5% increased shield/armour transfer amount. That way you get (almost) the same hp/sec bonus, but it won't cripple your cap any more than any other carrier.
some actulley use it for other stuff then sitting at a pos
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.29 19:08:00 -
[57]
Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting:
10-20% bonus to Drone/Fighter MWD/speed per level
2% bonus to gang members speed per level
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Alexison
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:38:00 -
[58]
20% Kebab production increase per level!
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 22:04:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 29/09/2006 22:04:09
Originally by: Randay
Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting:
That is the worst case scenario... don't tempt tux please. Some (most) people armor tank their Minmatar Capital Ships. Remember this bonus will apply to the Hel too.
Quote:
10-20% bonus to Drone/Fighter MWD/speed per level
Too crap of a bonus... 7.5% tracking to all fighters would be better.
Quote:
2% bonus to gang members speed per level
That is what skirmish warfare skills are for.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.29 23:10:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 29/09/2006 22:04:09
Originally by: Randay
Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting:
That is the worst case scenario... don't tempt tux please. Some (most) people armor tank their Minmatar Capital Ships. Remember this bonus will apply to the Hel too.
WRONG! /lexluther
This is the best case scenario. All minmatar ships with a tanking bonus have been shield boost amount bonuses! The chances of it getting an armor tank bonus is exactly zero, zilch, and nada! Those minmatar ships are also geared towards shield tanking by design. Of course I am not saying that armor tanking a minmatar capital is useless, just that shield tanking is what the devs have in mind.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:23:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 29/09/2006 22:04:09
Originally by: Randay
Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting:
That is the worst case scenario... don't tempt tux please. Some (most) people armor tank their Minmatar Capital Ships. Remember this bonus will apply to the Hel too.
WRONG! /lexluther
This is the best case scenario. All minmatar ships with a tanking bonus have been shield boost amount bonuses! The chances of it getting an armor tank bonus is exactly zero, zilch, and nada! Those minmatar ships are also geared towards shield tanking by design. Of course I am not saying that armor tanking a minmatar capital is useless, just that shield tanking is what the devs have in mind.
look guy... no where did I say I wanted a tanking bonus. I said that shield bonus would suck... for the same reasons a 7.5% shield efficiency boost on a 6 slot Maelstrom will suck. Not to mention MINMATAR CAPITAL SHIPS ARMOR TANK EVEN WITH THE ONE WITH 5 LOW SLOTS. Its just more efficient
If all things stay the same bonus wise on the other carriers... the minmatar need a fighter combat bonus not a ship bonus to stay inline with the gallente carrier. It just has to be a bonus that has a visable diffence.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:34:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 29/09/2006 22:04:09
Originally by: Randay
Aside from the very obvious 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount, here are a couple more that might prove interesting:
That is the worst case scenario... don't tempt tux please. Some (most) people armor tank their Minmatar Capital Ships. Remember this bonus will apply to the Hel too.
WRONG! /lexluther
This is the best case scenario. All minmatar ships with a tanking bonus have been shield boost amount bonuses! The chances of it getting an armor tank bonus is exactly zero, zilch, and nada! Those minmatar ships are also geared towards shield tanking by design. Of course I am not saying that armor tanking a minmatar capital is useless, just that shield tanking is what the devs have in mind.
*STABS YOU IN THE FACE LOTS AND LOTS*
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT A SHIELD BOOST BONUSES ON A CARRIER!!!!!!
ffs give use a tracking bounse!!!!
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:16:00 -
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Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream.
fighter tracking/level (arguable would become most versatile carrier)
fighter dmg bonus (obvious - especially if they all just get racial ones in the end)
fighter rof bonus
make the 'gimp' bonus (support role bonus) become a ROLE bonus on the ship, and each race carrier get it standard support role bonus for free! 
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:40:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Randay
Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream.
are you on drugs or sumthing?
what the **** makes you think that the minmatar carrier should have a boost bonus?
"Essentially a pared-down version of its big brother the Hel,
the Nidhoggur nonetheless displays the same austerity of
vision evident in its sibling. Quite purposefully created for
nothing less than all-out warfare, and quite comfortable with
that fact, the Nidhoggur will no doubt find itself a mainstay
on many a battlefield.
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all out warfair + the minmatr combat style points to a combat bonus, not a bloody tanking bonus 
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Randay on 30/09/2006 03:59:51
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
Originally by: Randay
Time for you two to train another race or kidnap some devs family or something then, because you are both swimming upstream.
are you on drugs or sumthing?
what the **** makes you think that the minmatar carrier should have a boost bonus?
"Essentially a pared-down version of its big brother the Hel,
the Nidhoggur nonetheless displays the same austerity of
vision evident in its sibling. Quite purposefully created for
nothing less than all-out warfare, and quite comfortable with
that fact, the Nidhoggur will no doubt find itself a mainstay
on many a battlefield.
"
all out warfair + the minmatr combat style points to a combat bonus, not a bloody tanking bonus
Yup I must be on some awesome drugs because the other 2 carriers have tanking boni, the only tanking bonus found on minmatar ships is the 7.5% shield bonus, and ship descriptions dont mean jack shhhhh!!!
edit: thanatos description
" Sensing the need for a more moderately-priced version of
the Nyx, Federation Navy authorities commissioned the
design of the Thanatos. Designed to act primarily as a
fighter carrier for small- to mid-scale engagements, its
significant defensive capabilities and specially-fitted fighter
bays make it ideal for its intended purpose. "
Can I have a hit off your pipe man?
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Domalais
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.09.30 04:33:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Randay
Yup I must be on some awesome drugs because the other 2 carriers have tanking boni, the only tanking bonus found on minmatar ships is the 7.5% shield bonus, and ship descriptions dont mean jack shhhhh!!!
Amarr and Caldari carriers rightly have tanking bonuses because their races focus more on tank than offensive firepower. Gal carrier gets the drone damage bonus because they're the drone specialists. Minmatar should get something fitting with their race. Speed, ROF, and tracking all come to mind.
BTW: you quoted the description of the 1 carrier that doesn't have a tanking bonus.
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Trader Phil
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Posted - 2006.09.30 05:01:00 -
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How about give every carrier a dmg bonus to fighters/drones, minmatar a shield boost bonus and gallente an armor rep bonus.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.30 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rehmes on 30/09/2006 05:16:48
I know people will hate me for suggesting this but how about these changes were dont to all carriers.
Amarr's new bonus: increase armor of fighters
Caldari's new bonus: increase shield of fighters
Gallente's new bonus: increase figher dmg (no durability)
Minmatar"s new bonus: increase fighter speed
That way all of the bonuses go into the fighters and each ship gives the fighters a disticnt advantage. At the same time you can make these bonuses affect gang ships drones/fighters. For example a domi ganged w a Thanatos would get an extra dmg bonus. If 2 carriers r ganged they affect the other's bonuses too, making things more interesting.
The way i see it is that carriers r meant to have the gang bonuses which they do, and also provide aid to the fighetrs, i dont think its fair only the gallente get the fighter bonus. This way each race can give something different into the mix.
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Posted - 2006.09.30 07:07:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Rehmes
Edited by: Rehmes on 30/09/2006 05:16:48
I know people will hate me for suggesting this but how about these changes were dont to all carriers.
Amarr's new bonus: increase armor of fighters
Caldari's new bonus: increase shield of fighters
Gallente's new bonus: increase figher dmg (no durability)
Minmatar"s new bonus: increase fighter speed
That way all of the bonuses go into the fighters and each ship gives the fighters a disticnt advantage. At the same time you can make these bonuses affect gang ships drones/fighters. For example a domi ganged w a Thanatos would get an extra dmg bonus. If 2 carriers r ganged they affect the other's bonuses too, making things more interesting.
The way i see it is that carriers r meant to have the gang bonuses which they do, and also provide aid to the fighetrs, i dont think its fair only the gallente get the fighter bonus. This way each race can give something different into the mix.
thats brilliant tbh. great idea!
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Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 07:14:00 -
[71]
giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!!
ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!!
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.09.30 07:30:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!!
ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!!
You know its quite easy to tell which of us are genuinely trying to come up with ideas to fix the problem and which of us are just mad because our ship isn't the best one out of the 4.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 07:51:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!!
ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!!
You know its quite easy to tell which of us are genuinely trying to come up with ideas to fix the problem and which of us are just mad because our ship isn't the best one out of the 4.
and its easy to tell which of us hasn't got a clue about fighters, making fighters faster will make them orbit fast and so will miss more, tracking bonus is sooooo much better
and ive alrealy done a thread like this, got to like 20 pages
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.09.30 08:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
Edited by: Aloysius Knight on 30/09/2006 07:58:55
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!!
ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!!
You know its quite easy to tell which of us are genuinely trying to come up with ideas to fix the problem and which of us are just mad because our ship isn't the best one out of the 4.
and its easy to tell which of us hasn't got a clue about fighters, making fighters faster will make them orbit fast and so will miss more, tracking bonus is sooooo much better
and ive alrealy done a thread like this, got to like 11 pages
were is the love
There is an orbit speed and then there is a regular and mwd speed. fighters shouldn't be able to hit frigs, or ships smaller then what they are supposed to hit, it would not balance anything. Sorry but you are still wrong, and you are obviously not looking at the problem objectively, because all you can do is shoot down every single idea except the one that you want.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.09.30 09:47:00 -
[75]
Make it that when you reach level 5 carrier you can jump true gates , take that you carrier freaks (caldari,galente and stinky amar).
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.30 09:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
giving fighters more speed is a VERY VERY BAD IDEA!!!
ffs make it a fighter tracking bonus!!!
MWD speed, not orbit speed. Duh!
There are some problems with Fighters that a Carrier pilot faces:
1. They are so expensive that they are viable targets even if you don't get killmails.
2. They are so slow on approach that they do not quite make it in time all the time.
3. Honestly, they don't do THAT great damage.
With this in mind, the proposal to the boosts to fighters on all races ships instead of boosting the Carrier itself is a good one. I'd give them a 10% hit points boost on the Caldari and Amarr carriers, though, just for the record.
However, there still needs to be an insentive to get the damned oversized pigs into combat as well. For this reason they all also need a bonus to survivability.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.05 19:48:00 -
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this thread should have enough content for tuxford.
to say something atleast.
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FFGR
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.05 20:13:00 -
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Quote:
3. Honestly, they don't do THAT great damage.
You might want to tell that to my Eris that was cruising at 3.7km/s
Quote:
(combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Einherji belonging to XXX strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 991.1 damage.
Having them respond like drones hurt my lil ship 
Oh well I have another 10 IDs in the hangar
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Posted - 2006.10.05 20:46:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
this thread should have enough content for tuxford.
to say something atleast.
I really like the idea of giving racial fighter damage bonuses!
Then on top of that if they want to give each carrier a regular racial bonus, that would be great too. Especially if its a defensive one like the amarr and caldari already have!
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.05 20:47:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
Target painter bonus
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:19:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
Target painter bonus
now now :) take one of the other good suggestions in the thread.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:23:00 -
[82]
Give it +5% max. velocity to gang members per level. Now that would make it popular. ;-)
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:42:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
Target painter bonus
now now :) take one of the other good suggestions in the thread.
As a mimatar pilot, and a relatively new one, I personally like the tracking bonus for fighters.
To be truthful i think the tracking on projectiles in general could use a bit of love. I love the whole idea of move quick and strike hard, but the faster i move the worse my weapons do (kinda BS).
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 22:37:00 -
[84]
Yeah, tracking bonus sounds nice, it would mean pwning cruisers faster and eventually worrying frigs/inties.
The bonus should be balanced to avoid nid' fighters wtfpwning everything small around them.
Mobility bonuses sound nice ... until you think about them a bit:
jumprange makes sense as long as you move alone, but if you fly with other carriers, or worse, dread, it becomes pointless.
Fuel consumption would be better than the current bonus, but not that much!
Gang bonuses make no sense, their already have the ability to mount a gang module, we don't need more.
fighter speed ... if only they keep the same orbit speed, but this would still be a minor bonus.
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The New Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.05 23:45:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 28/08/2006 14:51:18
Originally by: Succoros
Ithildin's idea of reduced cap use for capital reps/shield boosters was pretty nice tbh.
ye that could melt into the same theme as the others getting something tanking related. exept the thanatos
FFS can we please use this. Most of the Nidhoggur bonus suggestions that I've read are either useless or overpowered. (IMO, the OP's proposal fits into the "overpowered" category.)
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.06 00:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
Target painter bonus
Target painter duration bonus!
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.10.06 01:36:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 05/10/2006 19:47:55
i whould be glad with anything else then the duration bonus
Target painter bonus
Target painter duration bonus!
Target painter powergrid fitting bonus!
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Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.06 14:24:00 -
[88]
:)
no no no target painter bonus of any kind.
lats get his back on track.
tuxford can you please respons ?
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.10.06 18:57:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
:)
no no no target painter bonus of any kind.
lats get his back on track.
tuxford can you please respons ?
You don't have enough mana to summon Tuxford!
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:52:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
:)
no no no target painter bonus of any kind.
lats get his back on track.
tuxford can you please respons ?
I think that tuxfurd once said that they were trying to fix carriers or were in the "to do" things .
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.11 20:45:00 -
[91]
ye tuxford... didten you forget this in the sticky ?
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TheDarkForce
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Posted - 2006.10.11 20:55:00 -
[92]
plx reply tux cose we can all agree the current bonus sux, wont even go in to the slot layout, is it a shield tanker, is it an armour tanker, who knows........
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
TEMPTATION INC.
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:36:00 -
[93]
wake to live !
my whine thread !
wake op tuxford !
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Toolivus
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:00:00 -
[94]
Target Painter drone bonus!
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Serathu
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:15:00 -
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Locked due to thread necromancy.
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