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Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:01:00 -
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Encountered an bb today - Had no problem killing him with my bs but he claimed that his ecm was out of range and there for loosing th battle.... Is there a counter attack on ecm or how do i defend myself against it??
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:01:00 -
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Encountered an bb today - Had no problem killing him with my bs but he claimed that his ecm was out of range and there for loosing th battle.... Is there a counter attack on ecm or how do i defend myself against it??
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:06:00 -
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ECM is just as far as your target range allows.
So unless he was 80km from you, it sounds like crap.
To defend yourself u need to raise your grav/ mag radar amount, low slot boosters and med slot boosters are available for both.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:06:00 -
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ECM is just as far as your target range allows.
So unless he was 80km from you, it sounds like crap.
To defend yourself u need to raise your grav/ mag radar amount, low slot boosters and med slot boosters are available for both.
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Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:07:00 -
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Hehe ill think ill start a convo with u ingame Dath - looks like u have things under control.. 
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:07:00 -
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Hehe ill think ill start a convo with u ingame Dath - looks like u have things under control..
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Toulak
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:08:00 -
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Ecm being outa range?! Thats the worst excuse ive heard considering target jamming modules have a range equal to your max targeting range, and if he's in a BB he can sure as hell keep in range, unless you had a MWD and kept at a nice distance of like 60km+ from him.
Warp / Prop jammers have various ranges but wouldnt effect his ability to kill you. They just stop you from running away, and sensor dampners also have a range equal to the max targeting range.
I do believe that has to be a lame excuse for being blown up.
To counter it -
ECCM Modules / Warp core stabilizers / FoF cruise missiles / Drones + good tactics.
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Toulak
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:08:00 -
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Ecm being outa range?! Thats the worst excuse ive heard considering target jamming modules have a range equal to your max targeting range, and if he's in a BB he can sure as hell keep in range, unless you had a MWD and kept at a nice distance of like 60km+ from him.
Warp / Prop jammers have various ranges but wouldnt effect his ability to kill you. They just stop you from running away, and sensor dampners also have a range equal to the max targeting range.
I do believe that has to be a lame excuse for being blown up.
To counter it -
ECCM Modules / Warp core stabilizers / FoF cruise missiles / Drones + good tactics.
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Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:14:00 -
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I was only like 15 km away from him so i thought it sounded wierd - It could be that my projectiles kicked his ass that did the trick 
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:14:00 -
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I was only like 15 km away from him so i thought it sounded wierd - It could be that my projectiles kicked his ass that did the trick
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Renarah
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:55:00 -
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You're in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is??? 
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Renarah
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:55:00 -
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You're in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
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Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:38:00 -
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You're in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
I put my trust in real power  .. But i have to get my **** togheter and use ew more
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Elbereth
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:38:00 -
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Quote:
You're in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
I put my trust in real power .. But i have to get my **** togheter and use ew more
The Matrix is full of Exploiters ,You dont see Neo complain. |
Hiawatha
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:44:00 -
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The BB pilot was probably relying on 10km webifiers ... must be a BB pilot with similar ECM/ECCM knowledge that the battleship pilot ;)
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Hiawatha
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:44:00 -
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The BB pilot was probably relying on 10km webifiers ... must be a BB pilot with similar ECM/ECCM knowledge that the battleship pilot ;)
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:51:00 -
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n00bs in big ships and big guns, it's the end of Eve I tell ya
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Deloup Drakar
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:51:00 -
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n00bs in big ships and big guns, it's the end of Eve I tell ya
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Digital Flare
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:54:00 -
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Nah, it's not the end of Eve at all. It just helps the economy. Especially if you build/sell ships.
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Digital Flare
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:54:00 -
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Nah, it's not the end of Eve at all. It just helps the economy. Especially if you build/sell ships.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.16 17:18:00 -
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I know what you are saying guys, about ppl not knowing a great deal about a certain area.
But, it can also work against u, i seem to find myself thinking about EVERYTHING that could happen. It messes with your mind, does he have this fitted and that fitted .
what if hes using 4 scramblers, just to catch me, while his friends warp in.
Of course im just messing. sometimes just get stuck in, and maybe u will lose ships. if u are pvp-ing u should at the very least be able to insure it.
the fun is finding out for yourself, and when you arnt afraid to lose ships, thats when the fun starts.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2003.10.16 17:18:00 -
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I know what you are saying guys, about ppl not knowing a great deal about a certain area.
But, it can also work against u, i seem to find myself thinking about EVERYTHING that could happen. It messes with your mind, does he have this fitted and that fitted.
what if hes using 4 scramblers, just to catch me, while his friends warp in.
Of course im just messing. sometimes just get stuck in, and maybe u will lose ships. if u are pvp-ing u should at the very least be able to insure it.
the fun is finding out for yourself, and when you arnt afraid to lose ships, thats when the fun starts.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:07:00 -
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It's possible the pilot doesn't Pvp much and never encountered EW before.
I wasn't interested in EW until I confronted a BS who came out of warp running 4 multispecs while my torps collected dust in their launchers.
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Koda
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:07:00 -
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It's possible the pilot doesn't Pvp much and never encountered EW before.
I wasn't interested in EW until I confronted a BS who came out of warp running 4 multispecs while my torps collected dust in their launchers.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 17/10/2003 14:44:24
Hi ELbereth
This is the low down on ECM and ECCM okie
ECM the ability to jam your opponent. For this you need to use modules that lower his sensor strength. For my scorpion this means you need to lower my Gravi. Problem here for you is that I run sometimes 4 ECCM modules in low slots. This boosts my standard gravi from 16 base to 22. You wont know this until you try and jam me :) I also sometimes run an ECCM1 in a med slot which gives me a further 3 to this for 25 base Gravi!
So say you jam me anyway as you are running like 6 ECM multisepctrals at -4 each for a total jamming strenght of 24. I am only running with say 2 ECCM low slot boosters to gravi giving me 20 base as they are 2 each.
Trouble is I usually run with 5 kapteyn sensor arrays! Sometimes 6 so I can take on two ships at once. Each one will drop your target range by -58% and increase your lock time by about +50% so you start out with your shiney BB with a targeting range of say 90km and you lock me and manage to jam me up nice! Not so nice as I activate my kaptyns back and your lock range drops to around 4km with 5 running ouch.
There is a timing issue here because if you jam me first Im screwed. (you need to be fast with jamming) and as such I have Sig anal at lvl 5 and run with 2 F90 for a lock time of 1 second. You lose your lock as my kaps kick in and reduce your target range. I warp jam you and web you and launch 4 torps and fire up my two tachs and in 45 secs your dead :) depending on your range at the start.
Hope that helped some
There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he. You would need to run 5 F90s to counter this setup above and no-one takes up med slots with 5 F90s. Jamming is an art and if you come across a ship that knows what he is doing your toast :)
My daily setup alters all the time epspecially if I know who I am hunting I give thought to what they might be running and equip to counter it.
PS
There are loads of players who dont understand PvP or indeed ECM and ECCM that fly BB ships. Finding out your crap when you lose your ship is not the time to learn however :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
Currently chasing Lianhaun |
Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2003.10.17 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 17/10/2003 14:44:24
Hi ELbereth
This is the low down on ECM and ECCM okie
ECM the ability to jam your opponent. For this you need to use modules that lower his sensor strength. For my scorpion this means you need to lower my Gravi. Problem here for you is that I run sometimes 4 ECCM modules in low slots. This boosts my standard gravi from 16 base to 22. You wont know this until you try and jam me :) I also sometimes run an ECCM1 in a med slot which gives me a further 3 to this for 25 base Gravi!
So say you jam me anyway as you are running like 6 ECM multisepctrals at -4 each for a total jamming strenght of 24. I am only running with say 2 ECCM low slot boosters to gravi giving me 20 base as they are 2 each.
Trouble is I usually run with 5 kapteyn sensor arrays! Sometimes 6 so I can take on two ships at once. Each one will drop your target range by -58% and increase your lock time by about +50% so you start out with your shiney BB with a targeting range of say 90km and you lock me and manage to jam me up nice! Not so nice as I activate my kaptyns back and your lock range drops to around 4km with 5 running ouch.
There is a timing issue here because if you jam me first Im screwed. (you need to be fast with jamming) and as such I have Sig anal at lvl 5 and run with 2 F90 for a lock time of 1 second. You lose your lock as my kaps kick in and reduce your target range. I warp jam you and web you and launch 4 torps and fire up my two tachs and in 45 secs your dead :) depending on your range at the start.
Hope that helped some
There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he. You would need to run 5 F90s to counter this setup above and no-one takes up med slots with 5 F90s. Jamming is an art and if you come across a ship that knows what he is doing your toast :)
My daily setup alters all the time epspecially if I know who I am hunting I give thought to what they might be running and equip to counter it.
PS
There are loads of players who dont understand PvP or indeed ECM and ECCM that fly BB ships. Finding out your crap when you lose your ship is not the time to learn however :)
My god Soul were outnumbered again! You can say that again Io. We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun!
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:42:00 -
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I bet 100 Isk the BB pilot knew nothing about EW at all and was using ECM Bursts
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
Gallente
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:42:00 -
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I bet 100 Isk the BB pilot knew nothing about EW at all and was using ECM Bursts
BW
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Dala Grey
Caldari
Avite Aurora
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Posted - 2003.10.28 23:22:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong but i think a passive targeter works even when you are jammed, so use the passive to lock whoever is jamming you, then use the sensor dampeners...
Not tested but should work in theroy...
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Dala Grey
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Posted - 2003.10.28 23:22:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong but i think a passive targeter works even when you are jammed, so use the passive to lock whoever is jamming you, then use the sensor dampeners...
Not tested but should work in theroy...
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.10.29 07:22:00 -
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Passive targeting doesn't work while target jammed.
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Golgrath
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2003.10.29 07:22:00 -
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Passive targeting doesn't work while target jammed.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.29 08:08:00 -
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Indeed Nothing works while target jammed he he :) Which is why I favour dampners over MultiSpecs! As for what the other guy is or is not wearing on his ship? Yes I have literally sat just looking at fitting tyring to decide on a loudout for ages!! I know that feeling. However in my exeperience very very few players you encounter will be equipped for ECM (if at all) Most players apart from your scorpy man will be equipped for max damage!
This is changing with the more seasoned PvPers and Pirates though!!
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
Currently chasing Lianhaun |
Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2003.10.29 08:08:00 -
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Indeed Nothing works while target jammed he he :) Which is why I favour dampners over MultiSpecs! As for what the other guy is or is not wearing on his ship? Yes I have literally sat just looking at fitting tyring to decide on a loudout for ages!! I know that feeling. However in my exeperience very very few players you encounter will be equipped for ECM (if at all) Most players apart from your scorpy man will be equipped for max damage!
This is changing with the more seasoned PvPers and Pirates though!!
My god Soul were outnumbered again! You can say that again Io. We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.29 09:41:00 -
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"There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he."
... Well, a nice set of blasters and/or some missile launchers with optional FoF load would be a good start. Often the best defense is the right offense ;s
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2003.10.29 09:41:00 -
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"There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he."
... Well, a nice set of blasters and/or some missile launchers with optional FoF load would be a good start. Often the best defense is the right offense ;s
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Jack Hayden
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:03:00 -
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Quote:
"There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he."
... Well, a nice set of blasters and/or some missile launchers with optional FoF load would be a good start. Often the best defense is the right offense ;s
"This is where you sanity gives in" do you perhaps listen to The Cardigans?
á
"Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
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Jack Hayden
Gallente
Doomheim
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:03:00 -
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Quote:
"There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he."
... Well, a nice set of blasters and/or some missile launchers with optional FoF load would be a good start. Often the best defense is the right offense ;s
"This is where you sanity gives in" do you perhaps listen to The Cardigans?
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"Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:14:00 -
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The best defence is pure luck.
If you dont have the right setup, your toast.
No ammount thinking will help.
What you need is a good sturdy/average setup that you are used to.
And remeber 1 thing, most rats are big kids, and usually always go for max dmg.
tip of the day= use 1 heat/thermal hardener ALWAYS. rats are using tachs alot with multi crystals, which do a hell of alot of thermal dmg.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:14:00 -
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The best defence is pure luck.
If you dont have the right setup, your toast.
No ammount thinking will help.
What you need is a good sturdy/average setup that you are used to.
And remeber 1 thing, most rats are big kids, and usually always go for max dmg.
tip of the day= use 1 heat/thermal hardener ALWAYS. rats are using tachs alot with multi crystals, which do a hell of alot of thermal dmg.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:21:00 -
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""This is where you sanity gives in" do you perhaps listen to The Cardigans?"
*smiles slightly* Very acute, Mr.Hayden; Gran Turismo indeed made its way into my player yesterday ;s
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:21:00 -
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""This is where you sanity gives in" do you perhaps listen to The Cardigans?"
*smiles slightly* Very acute, Mr.Hayden; Gran Turismo indeed made its way into my player yesterday ;s
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Alviarin
Minmatar
International House Of Pwnage
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:44:00 -
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You're in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
you missed one thing.
You're in a CALDARI in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
;)
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Alviarin
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Posted - 2003.10.29 10:44:00 -
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Quote:
You're in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
you missed one thing.
You're in a CALDARI in a Battleship? And you don't know what ECM is???
;)
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Jack Hayden
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Posted - 2003.10.29 14:23:00 -
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""This is where you sanity gives in" do you perhaps listen to The Cardigans?"
*smiles slightly* Very acute, Mr.Hayden; Gran Turismo indeed made its way into my player yesterday ;s
Ah, truely a lady of great taste.
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"Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
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Jack Hayden
Gallente
Doomheim
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Posted - 2003.10.29 14:23:00 -
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Quote:
""This is where you sanity gives in" do you perhaps listen to The Cardigans?"
*smiles slightly* Very acute, Mr.Hayden; Gran Turismo indeed made its way into my player yesterday ;s
Ah, truely a lady of great taste.
á
"Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.29 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 29/10/2003 15:00:52
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"There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he."
... Well, a nice set of blasters and/or some missile launchers with optional FoF load would be a good start. Often the best defense is the right offense ;s
If there was a FoF Torpedo, that'd be a better start. Have been completely locked out by 2 birdies, as you well know. Had a sensor strength around 19, which was rather pointless. Had 4 launchers firing FoF cruise missiles on autorepeat and drones.
I think the drones caused more damage than the cruise missiles...Of course that's before they got squashed in the Battle of the Splash Damage 
Oh and for the dampener lover there:
Stacking dampeners requires less skill and knowledge than using actual jammers, in my opinion. You cannot pick the 'wrong' dampener to use against a foe. They are the Poor Man's ECM. You can tell a n00b "Stick these on your ship" and he'll be effective against all race ships without ever knowing why.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
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Posted - 2003.10.29 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 29/10/2003 15:00:52
Quote:
"There is NO viable defense against Kapteyns or Muons apart from running many F90s which are very rare unless your me and I have 7 he he."
... Well, a nice set of blasters and/or some missile launchers with optional FoF load would be a good start. Often the best defense is the right offense ;s
If there was a FoF Torpedo, that'd be a better start. Have been completely locked out by 2 birdies, as you well know. Had a sensor strength around 19, which was rather pointless. Had 4 launchers firing FoF cruise missiles on autorepeat and drones.
I think the drones caused more damage than the cruise missiles...Of course that's before they got squashed in the Battle of the Splash Damage
Oh and for the dampener lover there:
Stacking dampeners requires less skill and knowledge than using actual jammers, in my opinion. You cannot pick the 'wrong' dampener to use against a foe. They are the Poor Man's ECM. You can tell a n00b "Stick these on your ship" and he'll be effective against all race ships without ever knowing why.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.29 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 29/10/2003 19:05:21
"If there was a FoF Torpedo, that'd be a better start. Have been completely locked out by 2 birdies, as you well know. Had a sensor strength around 19, which was rather pointless. Had 4 launchers firing FoF cruise missiles on autorepeat and drones.
I think the drones caused more damage than the cruise missiles...Of course that's before they got squashed in the Battle of the Splash Damage "
Yup, i know ^^ 'Tis a somewhat different case, since being jammed renders your guns useless while if you have short range guns you can still fight the ship which tries the dampeners on you... but now that i think of it, getting literally against the hull of the other ship could've perhaps made things easier for you as well --
the Blackbirds' defenders would be no longer effective due to short range, so your missiles would deal far more damage to them.
Plus, their own missiles would be doing splash damage to their own ships...
given the EW Blackbirds aren't usually equipped with shield boosters or any similar defenses, and their shields and armour are pretty weak, could've forced them to bail out due to danger of achieving nothing but an impressive suicide ;s
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2003.10.29 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 29/10/2003 19:05:21
"If there was a FoF Torpedo, that'd be a better start. Have been completely locked out by 2 birdies, as you well know. Had a sensor strength around 19, which was rather pointless. Had 4 launchers firing FoF cruise missiles on autorepeat and drones.
I think the drones caused more damage than the cruise missiles...Of course that's before they got squashed in the Battle of the Splash Damage "
Yup, i know ^^ 'Tis a somewhat different case, since being jammed renders your guns useless while if you have short range guns you can still fight the ship which tries the dampeners on you... but now that i think of it, getting literally against the hull of the other ship could've perhaps made things easier for you as well --
the Blackbirds' defenders would be no longer effective due to short range, so your missiles would deal far more damage to them.
Plus, their own missiles would be doing splash damage to their own ships...
given the EW Blackbirds aren't usually equipped with shield boosters or any similar defenses, and their shields and armour are pretty weak, could've forced them to bail out due to danger of achieving nothing but an impressive suicide ;s
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.30 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 30/10/2003 08:18:44
Edited by: Soul Reaver on 30/10/2003 08:15:15
Joephine
Try and learn PvP before commenting eh :) Your blasters would not be able to target me as you would have no target range due to my kapteyns. With 4 on, you would have a range of about 4km.
Your nice FoF missiles would be toast each time I activate my large smart bomb. So now what you gonna do? Lick me to death? Perhaps bump into me huh? Yes you could close range but I will be set to keep range at 15km so unless your much faster thats going to be hard work. You will be dead by the time you get to my hull I can assure you!!
All the while you have 4 torps and two tachs raining on you and you have perhaps 45 secs to live and your relying on FoF missiles LOL.
Please if your going to comment on ECM try and understand what it is and what the modules actually do!!!
Jash
What the hell is that supposed to mean
Poor mans ECM???
Its the best ECM in game at this time. Ah I see what you mean! Unless you sit in fitting really thinking about who your gonna come up against then somehow your a lesser player and or Mortal?
Most players wont have any anyways. As they dont drop anymore and the ones that did are probably all blown to bits in PvP encounters. 6 months of ECM and Im called a poor man because I want to use the best available module in game ROFL
Poor man Indeed..
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
Currently chasing Lianhaun |
Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2003.10.30 08:08:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Soul Reaver on 30/10/2003 08:18:44
Edited by: Soul Reaver on 30/10/2003 08:15:15
Joephine
Try and learn PvP before commenting eh :) Your blasters would not be able to target me as you would have no target range due to my kapteyns. With 4 on, you would have a range of about 4km.
Your nice FoF missiles would be toast each time I activate my large smart bomb. So now what you gonna do? Lick me to death? Perhaps bump into me huh? Yes you could close range but I will be set to keep range at 15km so unless your much faster thats going to be hard work. You will be dead by the time you get to my hull I can assure you!!
All the while you have 4 torps and two tachs raining on you and you have perhaps 45 secs to live and your relying on FoF missiles LOL.
Please if your going to comment on ECM try and understand what it is and what the modules actually do!!!
Jash
What the hell is that supposed to mean
Poor mans ECM???
Its the best ECM in game at this time. Ah I see what you mean! Unless you sit in fitting really thinking about who your gonna come up against then somehow your a lesser player and or Mortal?
Most players wont have any anyways. As they dont drop anymore and the ones that did are probably all blown to bits in PvP encounters. 6 months of ECM and Im called a poor man because I want to use the best available module in game ROFL
Poor man Indeed..
My god Soul were outnumbered again! You can say that again Io. We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.30 14:48:00 -
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"Joephine
Try and learn PvP before commenting eh :) Your blasters would not be able to target me as you would have no target range due to my kapteyns. With 4 on, you would have a range of about 4km."
... Sweetie, check the numbers before you shoot your mouth off =) The large blasters have optimum of about 3k, half of that with antimatter ammo. The fact you reduce the enemy's target range to 4k won't matter to a battleship literally humping your hull.
"Your nice FoF missiles would be toast each time I activate my large smart bomb."
Your large smartbomb has quite significant activation time, longer than even single launcher. What good will it do against multiple launchers, when the missiles take 1-2 seconds to cover the distance due to short distance? Not as much as you think :s
"So now what you gonna do? Lick me to death? Perhaps bump into me huh? Yes you could close range but I will be set to keep range at 15km so unless your much faster thats going to be hard work. You will be dead by the time you get to my hull I can assure you!!
All the while you have 4 torps and two tachs raining on you and you have perhaps 45 secs to live and your relying on FoF missiles LOL."
I would rather worry about splash damage from your own torpedoes, and what your precious tachyons are going to hit at extremely close range ;s And yes, someone configured for close range combat is also going to be set up for fast movement and/or keeping the enemy in place, so i wouldn't count on keeping that safe distance from them much....
"Please if your going to comment on ECM try and understand what it is and what the modules actually do!!!"
*sighs* i use ECM; each time we go out my life pretty much depends on either me or the other people in the group getting the stuff work right. So really, no need for that screaming and all that arrogant "only i have the brains to know how the **** works" stance...
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2003.10.30 14:48:00 -
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"Joephine
Try and learn PvP before commenting eh :) Your blasters would not be able to target me as you would have no target range due to my kapteyns. With 4 on, you would have a range of about 4km."
... Sweetie, check the numbers before you shoot your mouth off =) The large blasters have optimum of about 3k, half of that with antimatter ammo. The fact you reduce the enemy's target range to 4k won't matter to a battleship literally humping your hull.
"Your nice FoF missiles would be toast each time I activate my large smart bomb."
Your large smartbomb has quite significant activation time, longer than even single launcher. What good will it do against multiple launchers, when the missiles take 1-2 seconds to cover the distance due to short distance? Not as much as you think :s
"So now what you gonna do? Lick me to death? Perhaps bump into me huh? Yes you could close range but I will be set to keep range at 15km so unless your much faster thats going to be hard work. You will be dead by the time you get to my hull I can assure you!!
All the while you have 4 torps and two tachs raining on you and you have perhaps 45 secs to live and your relying on FoF missiles LOL."
I would rather worry about splash damage from your own torpedoes, and what your precious tachyons are going to hit at extremely close range ;s And yes, someone configured for close range combat is also going to be set up for fast movement and/or keeping the enemy in place, so i wouldn't count on keeping that safe distance from them much....
"Please if your going to comment on ECM try and understand what it is and what the modules actually do!!!"
*sighs* i use ECM; each time we go out my life pretty much depends on either me or the other people in the group getting the stuff work right. So really, no need for that screaming and all that arrogant "only i have the brains to know how the **** works" stance...
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.10.31 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 31/10/2003 07:41:55
Meet me for 1v1 j0sephine :) Winner takes all.
I will come with my best loadout so plenty of goodies for you if you win! I am on every night and you can find me around Aunenen fighting pirates. I am prepared to put my money in place of my mouth on this issue! Are you??? Bring who you like as a referee..
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2003.10.31 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 31/10/2003 07:41:55
Meet me for 1v1 j0sephine :) Winner takes all.
I will come with my best loadout so plenty of goodies for you if you win! I am on every night and you can find me around Aunenen fighting pirates. I am prepared to put my money in place of my mouth on this issue! Are you??? Bring who you like as a referee..
My god Soul were outnumbered again! You can say that again Io. We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:23:00 -
[57]
"Meet me for 1v1 j0sephine :) Winner takes all.
I will come with my best loadout so plenty of goodies for you if you win! I am on every night and you can find me around Aunenen fighting pirates. I am prepared to put my money in place of my mouth on this issue! Are you??? Bring who you like as a referee.."
*smiles* I have yet to find goot incentive to spend money on personal battleship on Tranquility, but that just might be it ;s Will look you up in some week or two, ok?
(i don't think referee is needed... as for the loot... given my past record of missile accidents, not really counting on it... *>>*;
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:23:00 -
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"Meet me for 1v1 j0sephine :) Winner takes all.
I will come with my best loadout so plenty of goodies for you if you win! I am on every night and you can find me around Aunenen fighting pirates. I am prepared to put my money in place of my mouth on this issue! Are you??? Bring who you like as a referee.."
*smiles* I have yet to find goot incentive to spend money on personal battleship on Tranquility, but that just might be it ;s Will look you up in some week or two, ok?
(i don't think referee is needed... as for the loot... given my past record of missile accidents, not really counting on it... *>>*;
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Ayrlyn
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Posted - 2006.08.21 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ayrlyn on 21/08/2006 06:20:47
Just as a general thing... Large smartbombs are all well and good if you can get all the missiles in one fell swoop, but a smart player doesn't always launch all their missiles in one simultaneous salvo. Generally speaking, staggering by a few fractions of a second is better to prevent having your missiles taken out this way is a bit brighter.
Just a thought.
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