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Skawl
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.09.01 15:14:00 -
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Every bit of my being screams that this is a hoax.
On the otherhand, if it is true, this has the potential to seriously change the course of humanity...
Free Energy
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Talori'i
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.09.01 15:18:00 -
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Sounds a lot like the EIB incident. Hint: its 99.9999% unlikely to be true. That or its energy inefficient or could never generate enough "free" energy for the entire world.
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Skawl
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.09.01 15:23:00 -
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Well... they *claim* it's over 100% efficient.
Theres that whole second law of thermodynamics getting in the way of that working tho.
They're not clear on whether they're saying that the 2nd law can be broken, or whether they're tapping into some previously unknown source of energy thats somehow never been detected before.
Agreed - it sounds highly implausible and most likely to be a hoax.
Then again, people thought the world was flat...
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.09.01 15:24:00 -
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Yeah, if it's true, they wouldnt be holding the "information" back forcing you enter an email address and wait for it.
They would be spouting the information all over the place, so that it would get out before they were assassinated by mercanaries.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.01 15:35:00 -
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Didn't we argue this out a couple of weeks ago?
It's either a hoax, or a misguided claim. It will NOT be true. Magnets can't do what they claim they're doing. ________________________________________________
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.01 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Skawl Every bit of my being screams that this is a hoax.
On the otherhand, if it is true, this has the potential to seriously change the course of humanity...
Free Energy
Even if its not a hoax, one of the large oil companies will give the inventor/patent holder a few billion dollars for the patent and a gagging contract, and it'll never been seen again, at least until oil runs out.
I don't doubt its happened before.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Kilo Paskaa
Thugs 4 less
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Posted - 2006.09.01 16:01:00 -
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When Shikari finds this thread, we better take cover.
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.01 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Didn't we argue this out a couple of weeks ago?
yes
Originally by: Kilo Paskaa When Shikari finds this thread, we better take cover.
and yes
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.02 01:52:00 -
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I could've sworn Science was built on skepticism. One person says something, and another sets out to prove him wrong... and either does or proves him right.
If I remember correctly, there was a time when Earth was flat and the sun revolved around US. I see no reason why it couldn't happen. That's not to say I'm a believer, but... nobody thought man would fly before the Wright brothers. People thought computers would never be used for personal use.
I won't be a nay sayer. I'll root the guys on, and I just won't give a damn if it turns out to be false or un-achievable. --- --- --- ---
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.09.02 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren I could've sworn Science was built on skepticism. One person says something, and another sets out to prove him wrong... and either does or proves him right.
If I remember correctly, there was a time when Earth was flat and the sun revolved around US. I see no reason why it couldn't happen. That's not to say I'm a believer, but... nobody thought man would fly before the Wright brothers. People thought computers would never be used for personal use.
I won't be a nay sayer. I'll root the guys on, and I just won't give a damn if it turns out to be false or un-achievable.
Agreed.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.02 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren I could've sworn Science was built on skepticism. One person says something, and another sets out to prove him wrong... and either does or proves him right.
If I remember correctly, there was a time when Earth was flat and the sun revolved around US. I see no reason why it couldn't happen. That's not to say I'm a believer, but... nobody thought man would fly before the Wright brothers. People thought computers would never be used for personal use.
I won't be a nay sayer. I'll root the guys on, and I just won't give a damn if it turns out to be false or un-achievable.
Hmm ... where to start.
Maybe there was a time when people thought Earth was flat, but it was at least six thousand years ago. Even the Babylonians knew better than that.
Nobody thought man would fly before the Wright brothers? Man already *WAS* flying before the Wright brothers. You never heard of a Zeppelin? Or George Cayley?
But back to the original point. These guys are claiming that something they're doing, which has already been done countless times before by other people, is producing results which we KNOW it does not. This is on a par with claiming that table salt is actually made from potassium fluoride, not sodium chloride; we don't NEED to check your results. It was all done a long long time ago, and we know you're wrong. ________________________________________________
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Harkwyth Mist
Caldari The Black Ops Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.02 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kurren I could've sworn Science was built on skepticism. One person says something, and another sets out to prove him wrong... and either does or proves him right.
If I remember correctly, there was a time when Earth was flat and the sun revolved around US. I see no reason why it couldn't happen. That's not to say I'm a believer, but... nobody thought man would fly before the Wright brothers. People thought computers would never be used for personal use.
I won't be a nay sayer. I'll root the guys on, and I just won't give a damn if it turns out to be false or un-achievable.
Hmm ... where to start.
Maybe there was a time when people thought Earth was flat, but it was at least six thousand years ago. Even the Babylonians knew better than that.
Nobody thought man would fly before the Wright brothers? Man already *WAS* flying before the Wright brothers. You never heard of a Zeppelin? Or George Cayley?
But back to the original point. These guys are claiming that something they're doing, which has already been done countless times before by other people, is producing results which we KNOW it does not. This is on a par with claiming that table salt is actually made from potassium fluoride, not sodium chloride; we don't NEED to check your results. It was all done a long long time ago, and we know you're wrong.
Ah lovely to Shell Oil's interests suitably represented on the eve-o forums, either that or u're a scientist which attempted this, proved it doesnt work, so if they prove it does you're incompetent? :)
chill, hope for a better world just dont get so wound up about it :)
Hark.
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Shigsy
Caldari Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.09.02 13:17:00 -
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IBDS!
I hope this is true, even though its not. It would mean a group of Irish people beat 1000s of scientists! Yay for being Irish.
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Gaiam
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.02 15:08:00 -
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theres alot of people working on magnet motors, if steon has one they didnt invent or develop it themselves they have just modified existing ideas.
i can think of a dozen different designs of magnet motors, but then again i been reading the same stuff steon has for the last 5 years.
yah they have some kindof permanent magnet motor design, and with the advances in those designs in the last couple years they might have one that works.
so does cyclone magnet motors in australia, perendev.com has been touting a magnet motor for a couple years but no commercial version and no verification of overunity.
theres also many free energy types who take investor money and never produce anything
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Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.02 16:03:00 -
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Science is build on try and failure
You just dont notice all the failures, you just see the success
From Dusk till Dawn
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.09.02 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy IBDS!
I hope this is true, even though its not. It would mean a group of Irish people beat 1000s of scientists! Yay for being Irish.
/seconded IBDS! XD -
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.02 19:58:00 -
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So... are they going to give more information what it is they're talking about, or do we all have to wait until "scientists and engineers" conduct their tests? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.02 20:07:00 -
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DS has said he would be gone for five days a short while ago, so obviously you'll ***** this before he does =p
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Ms Muneca
AYDS
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Posted - 2006.09.02 20:38:00 -
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hoax ----------- ----------- -----------
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Lluthiunne Atalaron
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Posted - 2006.09.02 20:47:00 -
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lol you realize that these Stroen guys were registered as a marketing company when this broke out, and have since changed it. 'We are super elite marketing guys...........ooohh s**t someone forgot to change our logo'
Stroen Marketing ltd -feeding you lies since 1910-
Just wait and see what weird type of advertising campaign it is. Likely for duracell or mars bars or something equally ludicrous. [b]'Yes, I plan to spank her to death over the weekend.' 'Sharkbait' [b];) |
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Kyguard
Our Brothers Five 3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:07:00 -
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Click on "ABOUT". ===
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fairimear
Gallente S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kilo Paskaa When Shikari finds this thread, we better take cover.
amen
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Harkwyth Mist
Ah lovely to Shell Oil's interests suitably represented on the eve-o forums, either that or u're a scientist which attempted this, proved it doesnt work, so if they prove it does you're incompetent?
Wrong on both counts. I'm just a guyu who reads up on science. We've been studying the properties of magnets, electricity and motion in combination with each other for more than two hundred years, and we KNOW this doesn't work. We don't even need to see the details of what they're up to. The experiment as they described it cannot possibly produce the results they're claiming; just like I don't need to see someone roll a six-sided dice to ridicule their claim that they can roll a seven with it.
The law of conservation of energy may yet be broken one day. But it won't be done by these guys, and it won't be done by shifting magnets about in a circle. ________________________________________________
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.02 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy IBDS!
IBDS?
Whats that then? Some sort of bowel disorder?
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Vicarrah
Minmatar Templar Republic
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Posted - 2006.09.02 23:23:00 -
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go to crank.net and you'll find lots of stuff like this and more.
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.02 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Harkwyth Mist
Ah lovely to Shell Oil's interests suitably represented on the eve-o forums, either that or u're a scientist which attempted this, proved it doesnt work, so if they prove it does you're incompetent?
Wrong on both counts. I'm just a guyu who reads up on science. We've been studying the properties of magnets, electricity and motion in combination with each other for more than two hundred years, and we KNOW this doesn't work. We don't even need to see the details of what they're up to. The experiment as they described it cannot possibly produce the results they're claiming; just like I don't need to see someone roll a six-sided dice to ridicule their claim that they can roll a seven with it.
The law of conservation of energy may yet be broken one day. But it won't be done by these guys, and it won't be done by shifting magnets about in a circle.
Your descriptions and metaphors are a bit off.
1) It is physically impossible to roll a 7 on a die of only 6 sides. We pick that up. But, saying that you don't need to run the experiments to prove these guys wrong is simply mocking the Scientific Method itself. Therefore, we do not know what can be done because we have yet to run their experiments. That's like saying a "God" doesn't exist because... just because.
Honestly though, I'm very surprised more people simply scauff instead of cheer. If, by chance, they've discovered this... it's monumental. It will change the world in so many ways. But, if they didn't... life goes on as usual. No big deal. Science and the scientific method did what it was supposed to.
Again, though. I'm not saying I believe these guys or that it can happen, but it sure would be nice to have it. So, I'll root for em instead of against em. --- --- --- ---
My Sig Is Not Too Big... Eris is the holder of the pink so you get orange for now - Xorus |
Denrace
Amarr STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.03 00:01:00 -
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Corporate publicity stunt methinks.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.03 01:35:00 -
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This has been claimed 1000000 times before.
It has worked zero times.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. When they give the proof, I'll happily believe them.
I'm guessing its just a publicity stunt.
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Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Celinthis
Gallente Titans - Royal Antwerp Warriors 3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.03 05:00:00 -
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http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/082606.htm
'nuff said, there's been more people trying to patent it or prove it with minimal if any interest from the scientific community...
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Dirtball
Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.03 05:10:00 -
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i didn't read any links, but I must say that if you have 2 magnets that want to seperate from one another it takes energy to keep them together, i mean you'd have to be pretty weak to not be able to keep them from seperating, but regardless you are using a tiny bit of energy to keep the said magnets from seperating.
So that means for those magnets to stay in place it's taking energy, now if there was just a way to reverse that, like instead of a magnet having to pass through a coil or whatever if the magnet and the coil could just sit in one place, a "solid state" generator lol.
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lofty29
Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.03 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Shigsy IBDS!
IBDS?
Whats that then? Some sort of bowel disorder?
In before dark shikari. He's on holiday ---------------------------
Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
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Alex Bester
Gallente Aeon Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.03 10:21:00 -
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Quote: just like I don't need to see someone roll a six-sided dice to ridicule their claim that they can roll a seven with it.
If you read Terry Pratchett's "The Last Hero" you will find out that you can roll a seven with a six-side dice. (in a way)
That said, unortodox thinking can produce results that are far more effective then conventional solutions. Even though I don't think the thingie form Steorn will work, but as someone already mentioned, if it works, it will change the world (if it isn't taken away by oil multies, multinationals or the industriel-militery complex ) and if it doesn't life will go one.
PS: either way some ppl will make money
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.04 01:07:00 -
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I¦m always startled by the open hostility and arrogance people fling at this type of occurence.
Yes I clicked on the about link. So what? Looks like these are a bunch of engineers who stumbled upon some type of phenomenon.
The textbook repeater arrogance scientists usualy show when faced with things like this is the main reason we¦re still ardously crawling around in combustion engine cars or strapped ontop of chemical rockets. And why peer review has degenerated to a keeping of the status quo in scientific research.
I¦ll be watching this, will be interesting how it pans out. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.04 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/09/2006 01:26:55
Originally by: ivar R'dhak I¦m always startled by the open hostility and arrogance people fling at this type of occurence.
Yes I clicked on the about link. So what? Looks like these are a bunch of engineers who stumbled upon some type of phenomenon.
The textbook repeater arrogance scientists usualy show when faced with things like this is the main reason we¦re still ardously crawling around in combustion engine cars or strapped ontop of chemical rockets. And why peer review has degenerated to a keeping of the status quo in scientific research.
I¦ll be watching this, will be interesting how it pans out.
Because clearly, you know far more about science than any of these "arrogant" scientists.
There is a very specific process for revolutionary ideas to be analyzed. Everyone who doesn't understand how this process works should not attempt to formulate an opinion on it until they learn how it does work. Doing so is like demonstrating against the current war in the Middle East without even knowing what country it is taking place in.
STOP THE WAR IN BAHRAIN!
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Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Balklanac
Freezoner
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Posted - 2006.09.04 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Balklanac on 04/09/2006 06:55:05 /yawns at linky
reminds of the guy that tried to sell me a vacum cleaner for $3000, saying it was designed by NASA.
Originally by: Kyguard
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Brunswick2
the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.04 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Brunswick2 on 04/09/2006 08:23:12 Was it just me, or was it incredibly or impossible to find out HOW it works? No matter what I clicked on, I couldn't find an explination of how they managed to violate some of the most fundamental and oldest laws of physics... things that if were violated would have significant and extreme impacts on the world of science... So... where's my explination? And I mean technical drawings, or just anything which explains the general mechanics of this. --------------------------------- Sig hijack free since November, 2006! |
Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Brunswick2 Edited by: Brunswick2 on 04/09/2006 08:23:12 Was it just me, or was it incredibly or impossible to find out HOW it works? No matter what I clicked on, I couldn't find an explination of how they managed to violate some of the most fundamental and oldest laws of physics... things that if were violated would have significant and extreme impacts on the world of science... So... where's my explination? And I mean technical drawings, or just anything which explains the general mechanics of this.
They're trying to patent it, so they won't publicise anything.
Conveniently excusing them from having to justify their attack on the entire scientific system by claiming results without ever filing a report to be analyzed, hey? ________________________________________________
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 15:20:00 -
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I'm very skeptical, especially since a whois query shows that stoern is registered to an Irish guy. Being Irish myself, I know how sly we can be
I'll hold out on calling it a total hoax, but I have some grounding in this stuff and it just seems very unlikely that they could pull it off. -----
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Because clearly, you know far more about science than any of these "arrogant" scientists.
Of course I don¦t! I¦m just supposed to work my ass of form 9-5 so I can pay taxes, so that the gouvernment can loan more money to pay, among other things all the grants 99% of all scientist work and live off.
Originally by: Dark Shikari There is a very specific process for revolutionary ideas to be analyzed. *snipped some patronizing comments* STOP THE WAR IN BAHRAIN!
Peer review is nothing arcane one needs a Phd to understand. The historical tendency of established wisdom to ridicule and supress new original ideas or findings isn¦t a new concept either.
But as others already mentioned, there¦s too little actual data to start getting into arguments about this thing.
FREE BAHRAIN1!!evelen! _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak Peer review is nothing arcane one needs a Phd to understand.
Of course not! Which is why I say that people should learn what it is before they flame it
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.05 21:55:00 -
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Directly from the horses mouth: Fox News Interview
Leaving aside the moronic fox news bozo question about dangers it¦s a relatively ok announcement.
_ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.05 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kurren on 05/09/2006 22:40:01
Originally by: ivar R'dhak Directly from the horses mouth: Fox News Interview
Leaving aside the moronic fox news bozo question about dangers it¦s a relatively ok announcement.
I'm not quite sure if the interview instills faith or takes it away. I mean, he answers questions quite correctly (by that I mean, he gives the "don't want to commercialize until FREE and random debunking has taken place" answer). However, what the hell was with the cartoon with the shotty drawn camel in it? SteOrn, ground breaking technology from Walt Disney's untalented cousin.
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BoinaAzul
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Posted - 2006.09.05 23:14:00 -
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The cartoon was pointing at all the current energy sources which would become unnecessary for the operation of most machines.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 02:07:00 -
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Dude, that¦s just FOX typicaly lazy journalism. It¦s the first couple of secs of the Steorn flic they squashed in next to the head so that the ADD crowd isn¦t bored. I¦m just amazed they cut off before the penguins. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:26:00 -
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does'nt surprise me to see it on fox news... people who give journalism a bad name.
and as for this "amazing discovery" I can almost assure you that it will sink without a trace within 6 months.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 06/09/2006 16:06:17 Yeah and these guys couldn¦t be happier for it to happen. Real world data rocking the boat by contradicting neat little theories that worked for ever is always such a hassle. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball [...]i mean you'd have to be pretty weak to not be able to keep them [2 magnets] from seperating[...]
Wow. Your mind cannot imagine industrial magnets, can it?
*while looking at a picture of a car on my computer* Oh, come on, you can't need 18 liters of gas to make that little car move 100 km??
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