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CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 348	Posted - 2014.12.01 14:43:10 - [91] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: So you want ALL pilots to have nothing and wait 18 weeks then? This is basically the crux of it. Please don't work under the assumption that we've got all these T3 Destroyers ready and we're just holding off for the sake of teasing or whatever. This just isn't the case. While a lot of the underlying code work to make this happen is now complete, which should make the future ships easier to create in comparison, there's still plenty to be done and - excluding all other work required - our wonderful graphics team have been a bit busy recently. In other news, the known issues are updated for today's build. CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski

Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2566	Posted - 2014.12.01 14:58:02 - [92] - Quote Yongtau Naskingar wrote: Andreus Ixiris wrote: Unless they plan on releasing all three of the other destroyers in the next update, it means that Minmatar pilots will have to wait six weeks, Caldari pilots twelve and Gallente pilots eighteen weeks after the Rhea release to get their hands on the destroyers which should damn well have been released on the same day. You have a quote that each destroyer has to wait for a whole release? There's no reason why they couldn't add those in a smaller patch. The player base made the choice as to what order the ships would be released, it was kinda implied that it would be one per release. If the ship you wanted didnt come out first next time work harder for your ahooce to be first. On the other hand, the ship I wanted is coming out last :( -
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 3129	Posted - 2014.12.01 14:58:43 - [93] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Lady Rift wrote: well then be glad that expansions aren't once ever 6 months. Unless they plan on releasing all three of the other destroyers in the next update, it means that Minmatar pilots will have to wait six weeks, Caldari pilots twelve and Gallente pilots eighteen weeks after the Rhea release to get their hands on the destroyers which should damn well have been released on the same day. Like I said, downright spiteful behaviour by CCP. If you have a problem with the release schedule, you should have tried harder to gather the sleeper items on your preferred faction's behalf. Or you can keep your self-entitled indignance to yourself and try to be pleased that we're getting such really nice new ships. Or you can just go bugger off and create your own spaceship MMO.
Sable Blitzmann Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 145	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:57:04 - [94] - Quote Torgeir Hekard wrote: Sable Blitzmann wrote: Can you comment a bit about how the bonuses work on the backend for those of us who develop fitting applications? At first it seemed to be the Amarr Tactical Destroyer Defense/Prop/Sniper Mode items secretly being applied just like any module changing the stats of a ship. However, I took a look at the effect expressions from the SISI client and it doesn't really make much sense with the current attributes / expressions even tho the modes work fine in the game, which leads me to believe that it's either 1) hardcoded for now (bad bad bad!), 2) a different method of implementation that I cannot yet figure out I bought a fresh confessor (no module active) and fitted it with a rack of pulses with scorch, 2 TEs, 2 ODs, 2 SeBos. Also then swapped some stuff for 2 EANMs and a DCU later. After running some tests with switching modes, it looks like a mode behaves like a non-stacking-penalized module. That is, it applies full force after 2 modules affecting the same stat. And defensive mode does not interfere with DCU. So pretty much like Bastion. At least the numbers match. Well, I know how the math works with the bonuses. But I was more interested on how they are expressed in the backend. CCPs usual method of assigning effects to modules and writing an expression seems to be off in this particular case, and I was hoping that they would comment. For example, Propulsion Mode mode effects and attributes using modified Phobos and pyfa's itemDiff script: [+] Amarr Tactical Destroyer Propulsion Mode [+\|n] modeAgilityPostDiv [+\|n] modeVelocityPostDiv [+] capacity: 0 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 100.0 [+] metaLevel: 0 [+] modeAgilityPostDiv: 1.5 [+] modeVelocityPostDiv: 0.6 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 5.0 Digging further, the effect "modeAgilityPostDiv" basically states to take this modules `agilityBonus` attribute and apply it as an operation to the current ship's `agility` attribute. The only problem is: this module does not have an `agilityBonus` attribute to apply. There are these other attributes: `modeAgilityPostDiv` and `modeVelocityPostDiv`, however the effects don't use them. The effects seem to be broken currently unless I'm completely missing something.
Dangeresque Too Pistols for Pandas 11	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:59:16 - [95] - Quote Any update on if there will be changes to the pretty subtle differences visually between modes? Otherwise I have to say I am un-impressed with the look of the ship, as mentioned earlier it might just be the textures not being correctly done with the new shader stuff, but it is a bland and boring looking ship, just a long pointy stick, a very bright bland looking long pointy stick. I seriously hope better design choices are made for the other race's dessies.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7179	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:29:04 - [96] - Quote Just wondering had anyone else found the model buttons missing when ship switching in space? This happened to me once but I haven't had the opportunity to try and reproduce it yet. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=

CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 352	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:34:54 - [97] - Quote Dangeresque Too wrote: Any update on if there will be changes to the pretty subtle differences visually between modes? As far as I am aware these are all essentially final, at least for Rhea. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Just wondering had anyone else found the model buttons missing when ship switching in space? This happened to me once but I haven't had the opportunity to try and reproduce it yet. This was an issue on previous builds, should now be resolved so please report it if you continue to have this issue. CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski

Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7179	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:40:34 - [98] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: Dangeresque Too wrote: Any update on if there will be changes to the pretty subtle differences visually between modes? As far as I am aware these are all essentially final, at least for Rhea. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Just wondering had anyone else found the model buttons missing when ship switching in space? This happened to me once but I haven't had the opportunity to try and reproduce it yet. This was an issue on previous builds, should now be resolved so please report it if you continue to have this issue. Will do, cheers. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7179	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:42:08 - [99] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: Dangeresque Too wrote: Any update on if there will be changes to the pretty subtle differences visually between modes? As far as I am aware these are all essentially final, at least for Rhea. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Just wondering had anyone else found the model buttons missing when ship switching in space? This happened to me once but I haven't had the opportunity to try and reproduce it yet. This was an issue on previous builds, should now be resolved so please report it if you continue to have this issue. Will do, cheers. Are they still improbable ? "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 113	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:02:05 - [100] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Lady Rift wrote: well then be glad that expansions aren't once ever 6 months. Unless they plan on releasing all three of the other destroyers in the next update, it means that Minmatar pilots will have to wait six weeks, Caldari pilots twelve and Gallente pilots eighteen weeks after the Rhea release to get their hands on the destroyers which should damn well have been released on the same day. Like I said, downright spiteful behaviour by CCP. you are forgetting the unbearable wait the amarr have. 7 days it should be here now and we have to wait 7 days what is this world coming to.

Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 960	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:30:39 - [101] - Quote Remember you have to train the new skill too, build the ship (because it's going to cost about 150 million day 1), then fear welping the ship because of insta lock sabre. I want the gallente one myself. That one will arguably be the most difficult to balance. Yaay!!!!
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5044	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:19:57 - [102] - Quote Laerise wrote: How about you stop blaming CCP for holding a fair contest. I for one applaud their guts to reintroduce in game events that have real ingame consequences. Pro-Tip: If you want your faction to succeed in a given scenario, support it more? You've always been one of the most spiteful and hypocritical players I've had the displeasure to know, so it surprises me not a jot to see that you're supporting a bad decision that just happened to roll out in favour of the Amarr. I know you'd be saying exactly the opposite if Amarr had come out last. Racial variants of ship classes should all be released at the same time or not at all - that's the only "fair" way to do things. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5044	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:21:41 - [103] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: This is basically the crux of it. Please don't work under the assumption that we've got all these T3 Destroyers ready and we're just holding off for the sake of teasing or whatever. This just isn't the case. I don't care. Release them all when they're ready, or don't release them at all. That's the only fair way of releasing shiptypes that have racial variants. Alvatore DiMarco wrote: If you have a problem with the release schedule, you should have tried harder to gather the sleeper items on your preferred faction's behalf. Or you can keep your self-entitled indignance to yourself and try to be pleased that we're getting such really nice new ships. Or I can continue to criticise an inexcusably poor decision on CCP's part. Which I will, because I don't take orders from random people on a forum. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7188	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:53:34 - [104] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Or I can continue to criticise an inexcusably poor decision on CCP's part. Which I will, because I don't take orders from random people on a forum. Would you kindly stop , please. Or at least take the petulant child act into the f&I thread. Also, are they probable yet ? "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5044	Posted - 2014.12.01 21:59:52 - [105] - Quote Hey, it's been shown time and time again if people don't call out CCP's bad decisions strongly enough when it comes to the testing phase, you get serious issues down the line. Happened with Dominion, happened with Incarna, happened with the loot spew mechanic in Odyssey, and I guarantee you it'll happen again with this. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2566	Posted - 2014.12.01 22:06:22 - [106] - Quote More ships should come out in this fashion, it was nice to feel like the players had a hand in the research and development of the ship. -
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 114	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:26:28 - [107] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: More ships should come out in this fashion, it was nice to feel like the players had a hand in the research and development of the ship. This. It was awesome getting to have an influence in an outcome that matter in eve. Only releasing one ship at a time isn't really an issue either, its a singular small class of ship. how long where we missing the ore freighter before they introduced it?
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5044	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:41:42 - [108] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: This. It was awesome getting to have an influence in an outcome that matter in eve. I'm considering the possibility that you're trolling at this point. Of all the ways in which people could influence an outcome that matters in EVE Online, you're praising one that's by nature exclusioanry to three out of four factions? There are far better ways in which CCP could allow participation and direction of EVE's storyline, and in fact, a lot of us are upset because CCP has apparently abandoned them. Lady Rift wrote: Only releasing one ship at a time isn't really an issue either, its a singular small class of ship. how long where we missing the ore freighter before they introduced it? Oh, right, you are trolling, because you cannot seriously be comparing ORE ships to ships produced by the main factions. ORE ships are by nature different to the four factions in that they fill a niche that given their nature as a nonviolent industrial corporation cannot be filled by any of the four empires who are far more concerned with military matters. The release of an ORE ship leaves no counterbalancing niche left unfilled because ORE ships do not have a competing faction. The empires have at best one and at worst three competing factions. Leaving a tactical niche unfilled is an awful idea, and doing it on purpose is a direct "screw you" to players. And yes, I would still be making this sort of complaint if someone else had won. It doesn't matter who wins and who doesn't - it's a terrible idea and a direct insult to players. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 114	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:57:40 - [109] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Lady Rift wrote: This. It was awesome getting to have an influence in an outcome that matter in eve. I'm considering the possibility that you're trolling at this point. Of all the ways in which people could influence an outcome that matters in EVE Online, you're praising one that's by nature exclusioanry to three out of four factions? There are far better ways in which CCP could allow participation and direction of EVE's storyline, and in fact, a lot of us are upset because CCP has apparently abandoned them. Lady Rift wrote: Only releasing one ship at a time isn't really an issue either, its a singular small class of ship. how long where we missing the ore freighter before they introduced it? Oh, right, you are trolling, because you cannot seriously be comparing ORE ships to ships produced by the main factions. ORE ships are by nature different to the four factions in that they fill a niche that given their nature as a nonviolent industrial corporation cannot be filled by any of the four empires who are far more concerned with military matters. The release of an ORE ship leaves no counterbalancing niche left unfilled because ORE ships do not have a competing faction. The empires have at best one and at worst three competing factions. Leaving a tactical niche unfilled is an awful idea, and doing it on purpose is a direct "screw you" to players. And yes, I would still be making this sort of complaint if someone else had won. It doesn't matter who wins and who doesn't - it's a terrible idea and a direct insult to players. ccp should do more of it just to get post like these. OMG I can't wait the couple weeks till the other ships are out and eve has no other ships in the entire game. Its not as this think will be able to win every fight its a destroyer. I liked the donation event more than live ones cause I cant make most live events in eve and the ones I have made it to where sub par if i could even get into the system it was happening in. The donation drive was awesome in that it mixed things up and let everyone participate in it the fact they tied the release of a ship class to it is just gravy on top. also fits with lore much better than all factions releasing the same size ships at the same time.
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 5044	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:42:56 - [110] - Quote Lady Rift wrote: ccp should do more of it just to get post like these. CCP should make decisions specifically to insult paying customers? Yeah, they tried that a couple of times. Didn't work out so well. Lady Rift wrote: The donation drive was awesome in that it mixed things up and let everyone participate in it the fact they tied the release of a ship class to it is just gravy on top. also fits with lore much better than all factions releasing the same size ships at the same time. You clearly have no conception of EVE's lore if you think this. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 3139	Posted - 2014.12.02 08:39:31 - [111] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: You clearly have no conception of EVE's lore if you think this. I'm plenty aware of EVE's lore and I agree that ships don't get released at the same time lore-wise. While the Amarr very rarely have a new ship or any new technology before the other factions do, the Templar Project shows that sometimes they do. More usually, it plays out like this: Caldari/Gallente develop something new, swiftly followed by the Gallente/Caldari who refuse to be outdone by their enemy. The Gallente share technology with the Minmatar or the Thukkers steal it/backroom deal it from the Caldari and it "mysteriously" ends up in Tribal Council hands, and so the Minmatar are generally third. Although they rankle at the idea that a race of slaves should have anything before they do, Amarrian society as a whole is extremely conservative and bitterly resistant to change, leaving them to generally develop new things last. It's unfortunate that you think contests like this are terrible and "everyone is a winner, nobody loses" is the only way. It's laughable that you feel insulted by CCP's decision and I thank you for the amusement. As a paying customer myself, I can say with exactly zero trolling that I think CCP's idea to include some player participation in the introduction of new ships was splendid and ought to happen more often. If you don't like it, I again invite you to create your own spaceship MMO where everything is completely fair for everyone (when was EVE ever fair, btw?) and nobody could ever possibly be insulted or pushed outside of their fluffy comfort zone. If you're going to remain here in EVE, however, I strongly urge you to put on your big girl panties and HTFU. Not everyone wins, not everything is fair and being a paying customer does not make you a god, a person of influence or even a special snowflake. Get over it, get over yourself and get out of this thread. Good day, sir.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2795	Posted - 2014.12.02 11:27:20 - [112] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1137	Posted - 2014.12.02 11:38:18 - [113] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Lady Rift wrote: ccp should do more of it just to get post like these. CCP should make decisions specifically to insult paying customers? Yeah, they tried that a couple of times. Didn't work out so well. Lady Rift wrote: The donation drive was awesome in that it mixed things up and let everyone participate in it the fact they tied the release of a ship class to it is just gravy on top. also fits with lore much better than all factions releasing the same size ships at the same time. You clearly have no conception of EVE's lore if you think this. I'm a bit surprised that you are so against it. Been a long time since lore/rp/live events had an effect on Eve as a game. Letting the community decide on the staggered release of a sleeper-related breakthrough was nice gesture of CCP. At the time of the research race it wasn't clear what it would be, only after it was revealed to be T3 destroyers. CCP even recognized the effort a 5th player-driven group put in to pull the research towards them. Part of the reasoning of the staggered release was that they didn't had time to finish all 4 Tech 3 destroyers for Rhea, so either they all had to wait for a later release, or let the community decide which one to go for first. In the end, community efforts lead to the release schedule of : Amarr - Minmatar - Caldari- Gallente. All in all, a fairly balanced release schedule. In the end, I didn't see an insult to paying customers, rather a gesture from CCP to allow us to choose who got the new tech first. Lorewise it's also neat, as now RP'ers got an additional schtick to hang on with. They could have gone easely with Here's spring/summmer (18 weeks wait), have new ships! without doing anything around it. But they didn't, rather they choose an option that involved the eve community, an act I applaud them for. Ready yourself! The second Luminaire Snowball Fight is coming! Strange bright star appears in the sky across New Eden!

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12113	Posted - 2014.12.02 12:56:39 - [114] - Quote Sorry Andreus Ixiris, but nobody is "entitled" to always receive their preferred faction's ships at the same time as everyone else. We plan to use this method of release more and more in the future because: a) It allows us to release content to all you players faster with the help of the new release cycle. b) It gives players an opportunity to have a small but meaningful impact on the world of New Eden through their participation in events. c) Far more players have expressed support for this method than have expressed opposition. So in the future if you want access to your favourite faction's ships right away I advise you to participate and help your people win. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/


CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12113	Posted - 2014.12.02 13:11:41 - [115] - Quote Sable Blitzmann wrote: Torgeir Hekard wrote: Sable Blitzmann wrote: Can you comment a bit about how the bonuses work on the backend for those of us who develop fitting applications? At first it seemed to be the Amarr Tactical Destroyer Defense/Prop/Sniper Mode items secretly being applied just like any module changing the stats of a ship. However, I took a look at the effect expressions from the SISI client and it doesn't really make much sense with the current attributes / expressions even tho the modes work fine in the game, which leads me to believe that it's either 1) hardcoded for now (bad bad bad!), 2) a different method of implementation that I cannot yet figure out I bought a fresh confessor (no module active) and fitted it with a rack of pulses with scorch, 2 TEs, 2 ODs, 2 SeBos. Also then swapped some stuff for 2 EANMs and a DCU later. After running some tests with switching modes, it looks like a mode behaves like a non-stacking-penalized module. That is, it applies full force after 2 modules affecting the same stat. And defensive mode does not interfere with DCU. So pretty much like Bastion. At least the numbers match. Well, I know how the math works with the bonuses. But I was more interested on how they are expressed in the backend. CCPs usual method of assigning effects to modules and writing an expression seems to be off in this particular case, and I was hoping that they would comment. For example, Propulsion Mode mode effects and attributes using modified Phobos and pyfa's itemDiff script: [+] Amarr Tactical Destroyer Propulsion Mode [+\|n] modeAgilityPostDiv [+\|n] modeVelocityPostDiv [+] capacity: 0 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 100.0 [+] metaLevel: 0 [+] modeAgilityPostDiv: 1.5 [+] modeVelocityPostDiv: 0.6 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 5.0 Digging further, the effect "modeAgilityPostDiv" basically states to take this modules `agilityBonus` attribute and apply it as an operation to the current ship's `agility` attribute. The only problem is: this module does not have an `agilityBonus` attribute to apply. There are these other attributes: `modeAgilityPostDiv` and `modeVelocityPostDiv`, however the effects don't use them. The effects seem to be broken currently unless I'm completely missing something. The reason for this confusion is that the mode bonuses on the Confessor use a new way of authoring, storing and loading effects that we are planning to transition into more and more. The expressions you are reading for the modeAgilityPostDiv effect (and the other T3 mode effects) are junk data that aren't used by the client or server for these effects. I'm talking to CCP Tuxford and CCP Foxfour about how we can start making these new effects visible to third party developers and we'll probably put something up in the dev communication channels once we have a plan figured out. In the meantime feel free to ignore the expressions that you're seeing in those effects. Sorry about the confusion. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1420	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:39:14 - [116] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Sorry Andreus Ixiris, but nobody is "entitled" to always receive their preferred faction's ships at the same time as everyone else. We plan to use this method of release more and more in the future because: a) It allows us to release content to all you players faster with the help of the new release cycle. b) It gives players an opportunity to have a small but meaningful impact on the world of New Eden through their participation in events. c) Far more players have expressed support for this method than have expressed opposition. So in the future if you want access to your favourite faction's ships right away I advise you to participate and help your people win. Overall, it is a good decision, and a nice way of doing things, it adds interest and involvement, if anything adding more player influence is a desireable goal and is to be applauded. Thank you. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 275	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:48:24 - [117] - Quote Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space. I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however. Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12119	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:09:20 - [118] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space. I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however. When did you experience this? It was a known issue previously but we thought we had it fixed in the current build. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 961	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:21:42 - [119] - Quote You may want to give that ship a bonus to probing.. Because it's pretty terrible. Asking people to commit a set of virtue implants (roughly 1.5 billion for a low grade and 2.5 for a mid grade), while flying a destroyer class ship with no cloak, no scanning bonus and worth 40 million isnt the smartest idea. A 37.5% to a 70% (it's a combat scanning ship with no cloak) bonus to scanning would help a ton with it (tried it earlier with the mid slots filled with scanning mods and its a pain even to scan out a basic signature (actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods. Yaay!!!!

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12119	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:31:44 - [120] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: You may want to give that ship a bonus to probing.. Because it's pretty terrible. Asking people to commit a set of virtue implants (roughly 1.5 billion for a low grade and 2.5 for a mid grade), while flying a destroyer class ship with no cloak, no scanning bonus and worth 40 million isnt the smartest idea. A 37.5% to a 70% (it's a combat scanning ship with no cloak) bonus to scanning would help a ton with it (tried it earlier with the mid slots filled with scanning mods and its a pain even to scan out a basic signature (actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods. Not every ship is going to have everything you would ever want all in one package. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/




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